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We've all played Halo once (if you haven't you are not yet a member of the 21st century, either that or you have a job)
Spartans are super soldiers wearing super duper armor. They're pretty strong and can do a bunch of stuff: activate alien energy bridges, fly purple hover crafts, use a bunch of weapons, etc.
They also have a motion tracker, and a handy dandy flashlight

Space Marines, however wear huge bulky armor and are equipped with semi-automatic grenade launchers (or burst-fire depending on the fluff you read)
They're effing strong, and have many special abilities that vary from book to book. (I just read in their codex that they can spit acid, strong enough to melt through metal).
The most notable, I think is when Uriel Ventris eats the brain of a Tau and learns how to fly a piranha in Courage and Honor

So who would win, one on one?

SM is armed with the standard equipment:
Bolt pistol/ Boltgun
CC weapon
Frag/ Krak grenades
power armor

The Spartan is given:
Battle rifle
2 SMGS
Frag grenades
and the spartan armor (which is spelled like mjlrnruq or something just as hard to remember)



My money is on the SM

SM, obviously. The clone does not surpass the original in this case.

Astartes power armour is thicker than Spartan armour (just look at it), and the Bolter is an absurdly powerful assault weapon (Seriously, a high penetration, recoilless, grenade launcher? I'd be gaking myself no matter what armour I was wearing).

So here's basically the 40kverse equivalant. Carapace armored, slightly enhanced human with an autogun and two autopistols versus an astartes... Yeah, I'll let you decide.

Agreed, there aren't to many conceptualized so called "heroes" in our fiction that could take a Space Marine. Maybe Wolverine, but he'd be crying like a girl afterwords, asking his mommy for band-aids and to kiss it and make it better! lol.

Superman could, considering he can shatter reality by singing. After all, he's a god mode sue.

Nah. Superman would be hurt by the krypto-ceramite that the one marine's armor he faces is made of. Nothing like C.S. Goto's writing.

I agree that any of the literally invunerable supers could and would win. Short of that however, I couldn't see spidey taking down an astartes any time soon.

Batman vs SM, with preperation time... Weapon of choice?
Stairs.

Mother of God, not this bollocks again.

The Dreadnote wrote:Mother of God, not this bollocks again.

+1

Emperors Faithful wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Mother of God, not this bollocks again.

+1

Indeed.

Just to clarify TC, the armor is called Mjolnir, and it's not hard to remember at all, atleast not if you keep a healthy understanding of Mythology.

Mjolnir is the Hammer of Thor.

I'm just going to assume you know who Thor is....

I'd say the spartan would be able to take a SM..

If it was a one on one and the SM had no armour and his hands tied behind his back and two 4tonne ball and chains on his ankles...

I think the Spartan could take a Space Marine out to dinner, he knows the town better and could probably recommend a good wine to go with the cheese appetizer.

Everyone knows multilasers fire kryptonite.

Really? Is this even a question? Foot-thick armor against modern weaponry? I don't even think the Spartan would ding the armor. One bolter shot would kill a Spartan.

The Spartan would have a chance if armed with an energy sword or a gravity hammer. They're basically inferior(?) versions of the powersword and thunderhammer, respectively.

Just to clarify TC, the armor is called Mjolnir, and it's not hard to remember at all, atleast not if you keep a healthy understanding of Mythology.

Mjolnir is the Hammer of Thor.

I'm just going to assume you know who Thor is....

Um, the blond beef at the local gym?

Spartan.

His energy shield is proof against all the SM's weapons as long as he can manoeuvre to cover to let it recharge. He is much more manoeuvrable, and he has a helmet.

Kilkrazy wrote:Spartan.

His energy shield is proof against all the SM's weapons as long as he can manoeuvre to cover to let it recharge. He is much more manoeuvrable, and he has a helmet.

The energy shield follows normal armour conventions. It is easily destroyed by plasma, it gets worn down by bullets, etc. The difference is that the energy shield runs out, unlike Astartes armour.

And the other difference is that the shield recharges...

Unlike Astartes armor.

No, the recharging is a limitation, not a benefit. The Astartes armour soaks up fire easily, while the Mjolnir requires the user to hide for a while while it comes back.

What?
That's one of the silliest statements I've ever heard.

To put it a different way, Space Marine armour doesn't need regeneration.

Wait, since when are astartes not manoeuvrable? If I recall, they have better balance and speed and dexterity than any regular human. I'd say the same about them against spartans. This idea is ridiculous. Firstly, and astartes has a helmet, Killkrazy.

Secondly, if I'm not mistaken, a grenade does indeed take out a Spartan's shields... Oh wait, that's right, Astartes are firing frag grenades out of a shotgun and pumping three-four into him before he can move. The idea that his sheilds would do ANYTHING is ridiculous.

And I'd LOVE to see a SM with a chainsword against a Spartan with an energy sword.

Astartes: "Ouch, you stuck my lung and cut off my left hand... Bye."

Spartan: "OH WHAT TH-"

Pika_power wrote:To put it a different way, Space Marine armour doesn't need regeneration.

Yeah, I got that.

I'm not understanding where you call the ability to regenerate a shield that can stop high impact plasma mortar rounds a "limitation".

If an Astarte's armor is damaged, they can't affect field repairs(outside of a quick-fix sealant to fill in the gap temporarily, namely to prevent atmospheric leaks), or they can't let it recharge.

Once that armor is damaged, it's damaged until they get back to a specialist to fix it.

A limitation in that it's required to regenerate to get to the same standards as the Astartes.

Also, the Mjolnir can still be damaged as soon as the shields are down. Unless the armour is organic, it's unable to repair a hole in it.

So it's the same defence as the Astartes, but the defence needs to recharge and while it's recharging, it can be damaged.

Except it still takes quite a bit to damage Mjolnir armor, even without the shields mate.

At least, if we're going by *actual background material* rather than "Hurr, I can headshot peoples wif snipar riflez!" game related experiences.

Add in the fact that Mjolnir can be interfaced with a 'smart' AI who can essentially boost the Spartan's combat capabilities to demigod levels(the limitation being: there just aren't that MANY 'smart' AIs), the multiple redundant systems present in Mjolnir itself(Astartes can't HALO jump out of a dropship without jump packs/grav chutes and avoid turning themselves into paste).

And it all leads to the fact that this is as stupid of an argument as who would win in a fight between Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee.

Let's also realize that the weapons a spartan uses are pretty pathetic in general, barring the Spazer and such.

Spartan basic weapon: Assault Rifle. Does nothing to Astartes.

Astartes basic weapon: Rapid fire, penetrating, no recoil grenade launcher thing.

You really think the Spartan would come out on top?

Assault Rifle: Varying ammunition loads. HE-AP would be pretty nasty on Astartes. Especially going for headshots. or the optics on the helmet.

But yeah, sure. we can just stack it as much as we want in favor of the Astartes.

I beleive the fair fight would be a Scout vs a spartan..... Same type of armour, and almost same type of weapons..... while, that shotgun might be more powerful then the spartanslug thrower...lol

Kanluwen wrote:Assault Rifle: Varying ammunition loads. HE-AP would be pretty nasty on Astartes. Especially going for headshots. or the optics on the helmet.

But yeah, sure. we can just stack it as much as we want in favor of the Astartes.

It's funny cause you're not only beating a dead horse, but also reverse stacking in a would-be dead man's favor. From fluff standards, an Astartes is 10x more powerful in endurance, armor, and weaponry. And yet you're comparing armor penetrating ammo to basically a grenade, when said AP ammo is weak sauce in comparison. Can a Spartan lose an arm and continue fighting well, no. Can a Spartan take a direct headshot and live to tell the tale, no. Can a spartan's protection be ruined for even a few seconds, a gap more then easily large enough for him to be killed, OH YEAH. So stop stacking things for the downright underdog when the Astartes is infintely more advanced in many ways and strengths.