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From what Stickmonkey described, there are 4 'first wave' kits: the "PA"GK and TDAGK plastic kits (10 and 5 models, respectively), the Stormraven, and a walker (at this point a Librarian Dread seems highly likely). Stormtroopers in plastic would probably be a second wave release since so many other armies use them.

Stormtroopers were supposed to be out with the friggin' Leman Russes. What the hell is taking so long?

The right moment is not upon us yet.

Yeah, because Stormtroopers still completely suck ruleswise.

It might be a while then!

Unless, of course, they are 'fixed' via new rules in the upcoming Codex: GK?

In which case, the right time will be upon us!

Alpharius wrote:It might be a while then!

Unless, of course, they are 'fixed' via new rules in the upcoming Codex: GK?

In which case, the right time will be upon us!

Hopefully. Then we'll have to wait another couple years for Guard to get them on par...

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:It might be a while then!

Unless, of course, they are 'fixed' via new rules in the upcoming Codex: GK?

In which case, the right time will be upon us!

Hopefully. Then we'll have to wait another couple years for Guard to get them on par...

IF that is what's really going on... it will be more than a few years, unfortunately!

Alpharius wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:It might be a while then!

Unless, of course, they are 'fixed' via new rules in the upcoming Codex: GK?

In which case, the right time will be upon us!

Hopefully. Then we'll have to wait another couple years for Guard to get them on par...

IF that is what's really going on... it will be more than a few years, unfortunately!

Honestly, the kasrkrins are good models. It makes me want to use storm troopers!

Alpharius wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:It might be a while then!

Unless, of course, they are 'fixed' via new rules in the upcoming Codex: GK?

In which case, the right time will be upon us!

Hopefully. Then we'll have to wait another couple years for Guard to get them on par...

IF that is what's really going on... it will be more than a few years, unfortunately!

their rules are fine, varied, and quite fun. the only problem they have is their point cost. that one number can easily be errata'd. of course, i highly doubt that'll happen but it's always a possibility.

15 points? Iirc. Way too much.

I guess you really pay for that AP 3...?

Samus_aran115 wrote:15 points? Iirc. Way too much.

I guess you really pay for that AP 3...?

Actually, aren't they more than that, which also means, more than a marine?

Wasn't it... 17?

Hence all the yelling and such?

Maybe that will be the 'fix' in C: GK.

Alpharius wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:15 points? Iirc. Way too much.

Wasn't it... 17?

Hence all the yelling and such?

take the average and you'll be correct.

warboss wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:15 points? Iirc. Way too much.

Wasn't it... 17?

Hence all the yelling and such?

take the average and you'll be correct.

Exactly. They are 16 points. My group is using a house rule that chances the Hot Shot lasguns from rapid fire range 18" to assault 2 range 18 and it keeps the STR 3 AP3 of the gun. It seems to help them alot and makes them more worthwhile. I encourage everybody to try this as a house rule as it is obvious that in EVERY way with the exception of wounds and BS a Stormtrooper is by far inferior.

Death By Monkeys wrote:New fodder units? Large pie plate? Count me curious.

wondering what type of points use there will be with the fodder???

Fodder unit just means they'd be cheaper than GK basic troop choice, which doesn't take much.

Lord_Astaroth wrote:
Exactly. They are 16 points. My group is using a house rule that chances the Hot Shot lasguns from rapid fire range 18" to assault 2 range 18 and it keeps the STR 3 AP3 of the gun. It seems to help them alot and makes them more worthwhile. I encourage everybody to try this as a house rule as it is obvious that in EVERY way with the exception of wounds and BS a Stormtrooper is by far inferior.

I doubt they will alter what their weapons do in the new codex. If they change ST up it will be by modifying their special rules not their weapon. This isn't really the place but the simple fact that they have a "weakness" doesn't disqualify the other capabilities they have to justify them being cheaper. IF the ST were as you describe it'd only be fair to be that price without special missions; with the way GW has priced them its as if they forgot they already built in disadvantages. So if GW changes any aspect of their special rules that can be used as reasonable justification for why point values would vary.