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Brother SRM wrote:

Mosg wrote:I'm surprised to see that they're planning on keeping anti-demon specials.

Daemonhunters with special rules to fight daemons!?

They could have done this without having it be unable to effect other non-daemon armies.

Ignoring invulnerable saves is less useful against other armies, but still has its use, for example.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If we're going to get Grey Knights, and they're going to release the StormRaven, which should be a big seller, why isn't this a December release to catch the Holiday gift money?

Remember, this is GW we're talking about.

Exactly. Usually, GW is good about doing those things which generate money...

why isn't this a December release to catch the Holiday gift money?

Why ask a question to which everyone who's been buying GW stuff for more than one year already knows the answer?

For the small number of people reading this who haven't been buying GW stuff long enough to know, December for the past several years is the month that GW releases specialty and limited release items like the Mega-Paint Set, variety color army cases and other items they believe will sell well as gifts at that time of year. Last year's big new thing was the Fortress of Redemption along with old favorites like the Mega-Paint Set and other December splash releases. Unless this year will be different than the past five years, GW does not do large regular stock item releases for their core games during December. They save those for the months just before and after to keep the cash flow going steadily instead of dropping off just before or after December.

And Grey Knights in January will catch quite a bit of holiday gift money. Anyone wanting an expensive Grey Knights army who is lucky enough to get a bunch of money as a gift in December can then spend the money on the new Grey Knights in January, assuming that is the January release. Again, this keeps the cash flow steady in the post-holiday shopping frenzy. It worked last year with Tyranids in January, didn't it?

BrassScorpion wrote:blah

This makes sense. Stormravens will sell like hotcakes at any time. No sense in undermining starter set/paint set holiday purchases.

Really it will just turn out to be an army that looks scary at first then you find it's flaws and the book turns out to be another cheap means of generating income via bandwagoning *IE Blood Angels* Sure those GK sound scary but why would you charge out and meet them hand to hand when simply fire on them from afar? Another marine book with some flair really, models I'm hoping will look interesting, I've got some ideas for specialized Berzerkers...

AgeOfEgos wrote:Codex: there is much less focus on Inquisition aspects...

Great. Next they'll be telling us that the Sisters of Battle aren't a Chamber Militant...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Great. Next they'll be telling us that the Sisters of Battle aren't a Chamber Militant...

So basically no real change?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Codex: there is much less focus on Inquisition aspects...

Great. Next they'll be telling us that the Sisters of Battle aren't a Chamber Militant...

To be fair, he reiterated that they'll be in there, but without trying to upstage the Grey Knights. I know you won't like that answer, but it's probably not as bad as we suspect.

Personally, I'm hoping that, in an attempt to keep costs at a reasonable level, they'll remove the +2 Strength bit to NFW and make them regular power weapons with the ability to wound Daemons and Psykers on a 2+. Gives them a fluffy edge against daemons but also some against stuff like Mephiston, Tyranid MCs, and so on. Even the mention of Force Weapons for the Terminators sounds like a good counter to ubiquitous kitted-out Thunderwolf Cav/Nob Biker deathstars, and so on. But most of all I want to burn like $200 on models that look like this:

If the news about the release comes true I know where my Christmas money is going Don't really care about the rules so much, awesome though they sound, but if they released plastic GKs & GKTs I would buy loads more without even a new book. Heres hoping they're good but not stilton good

Melissia wrote:My guess is anti-tank psychic powers.

I think it makes the most sense, but from the GW corporate perspective... how can you make a model for that? While the basic units my have the anti-tank power to some degree, my guess would be that GW would want some more powerful version with that "power." A purely hypothetical Grey Knight Librarian would be such a unit.

I really think Grey Knight Terminators should be a troop choice. The power armored guys are suppose to be the neophytes and most recently initiated, while the "average" Grey Knight wears terminator armor. The fact they can only take power armored GK as troops its the same as if Ultramarines could only take scouts as troops, fluffwise.

I wonder how they're going to fill up the Fast Attack slot this time round.

Maybe the Storm Raven? I just think the lamest thing is if GW just give a random unit teleport or droppods and count it as a fast attack.

Between psycher powers and teleport, GK are going to have alot intangable capabilities, that aren't physically represented by models... if they still have orbital bombardment as a FOC choice that only makes it worse. I once came to an apocalypse game with 20,000 points of GK orbital bombardment, I didn't lose a single unit, jk.

Sadly the ally rules are pretty much dead from the sounds of things (Which imo needed to go.. way too many imbalances like mistics).

Hopeful they will turn the purgation sqaud from the heavy support choice failure that it is into something more akin to a super devastor sqaud... with the option to use terminator armor

5 psycannons pewpewpew

I think this all sounds very good to me, it sounds reasonable/believable and awesome so I won't complain!

I think the actual specialisation against Daemons is good, kind of unfair, but suitable. These abilities against psykers also screw over other armies such as Eldar, Mephiston/Blood Angels, Tyranids etc.

Wasn't there RUMOURS of Jump Pack Grey Knights before? Also, it was said earlier in this thread there will be weaker/fodder units which could occupy certain roles within the FOC.

As expected though, I agree with anti-tank being a problem. But lets be honest, Daemons only have on tank so it also suits the fluff, if unfair to Daemons and Nids.

Less focus on the Inquisiton = Less Interest for me.

I hope they're at least still a bit interesting and customizable.

And that there's enough of a guard presence in the Codex to be able to use some/most of my existing force...

As said: A good proportion of these rumours are completely off the mark, so I wouldn't recommend to discuss these too seriously.

Yeah I see a big problem with only grey knights. GW basically has to invent 3x the units to fill the book or its going to be mighty boring.

I dont see the correlation really with Blood angels other than being space marines. BA already had tons of choices and used a lot from the normal SM book because they are generally just space marines

Honestly the inquisition is one of the coolest parts of 40k fluff.. not the grey knights

I think if they redo them, the plastic grey knights box is going to be significantly more expensive than the average troop box just 'cause.

ssREV wrote:I think if they redo them, the plastic grey knights box is going to be significantly more expensive than the average troop box just 'cause.

No. Just no.

ssREV wrote:I think if they redo them, the plastic grey knights box is going to be significantly more expensive than the average troop box just 'cause.

I don't think one needs to be Tiresias to make that prediction and there's a good chance that it's correct. Regular tactical marines are now $37.25 for 10 models in the US while Death Company and Sanguinary Guard are $33 for 5. I think you can expect Grey Knights to be premium priced at least as much as Blood Angels crack troops.

Kroothawk wrote:As said: A good proportion of these rumours are completely off the mark, so I wouldn't recommend to discuss these too seriously.

Unfortunately this one:

Alpharius wrote:Less focus on the Inquisiton

...has be one that good sources have stated several time and back by the game designers saying as much in conversation at Gamesday events.

Kirasu wrote:Yeah I see a big problem with only grey knights. GW basically has to invent 3x the units to fill the book or its going to be mighty boring.

The Inquisition should still be in there and the book should really be thought of as Codex: Daemonhunters + Only new Grey Knights units. While I'd guess they might remove redundant units, the point is more to build off the current book so as to shift emphasis away from the Inquisition and on to the Grey Knights. So you might not be able to build pure Inquisition forces, units like the 3 for 1 FOC (lesser) Inquisitor unit might be gone, and the Inquisitorial retinue reduced to something simpler like the IG command squad, while simulatneously adding some new Grey Knight units. It just mean they won't need to invent as many new units, maybe just double the number they currently have.

Right now Grey Knights, have their Grand Master, Terminators, Power Armor Squad, Land Raiders (x2), Dreadnoughts... if they had double that I think it would be enough. I think there should be another HQ choice like a librarian or chaplain and an actual body guard unit. For elites, I think its fine for them to rely on Inquisitorial units for that, though I wouldn't fault GW for something interesting, like a Librarian or Venerable dreadnought of sufficient GK flavor. Troops I think would suffice with reorganizing and sufficient upgrade options. Fast Attack... if GW focuses their creative energy anywhere this is it, the Storm Raven as a fast attack choice might be a simple way of filling this a bit, even still much love needed. The Heavy Support of the Grey Knights really should see something better than power armor GK with special weapons and the other standard unit options.

Kirasu wrote:Yeah I see a big problem with only grey knights. GW basically has to invent 3x the units to fill the book or its going to be mighty boring.

...so how is that a problem exactly? GW has made a business out of making gak up.

Which is an odd way to go, given that we've mostly been told that the GK are very specialist troops mostly for a specific enemy.

The last book 'worked' well in that regard.

"Forcing" it to be a GK army feels... odd.

Personal predictions:

HQ:
Inquisitor + Retinue
Grey Knights Grand Master
Grey knights Librarian

Elites:
GK Terminators
GK Dred
GK venerable Dred

Troops:
Cannon Fodder (of some kind)
Grey Knights

Fast Attack:
Stormraven
GK w/ Jump Packs

Heavy Support:
GK Devastators
GK Predator

^All guesses^

I hope that I can make an at least semi-decent inqusition army with them, since I'll make the groups fluff that they are sent to "learn more about what my chapter is doing", also known as trying to assassinate the chapter master. They always either manage to miss, have something get in the way, or get delayed.

Klawz wrote:Personal predictions:

HQ:
Inquisitor + Retinue
Grey Knights Grand Master
Grey knights Librarian

Elites:
GK Terminators
GK Dred
GK venerable Dred

Troops:
Cannon Fodder (of some kind)
Grey Knights

Fast Attack:
Stormraven
GK w/ Jump Packs

Heavy Support:
GK Devastators
GK Predator

^All guesses^

So just make them like regular Space Marines? At the very least rethink the idea of a Grey Knight Librarian.

If I had to guess, probably more like this:

HQ:

Inquisitor w/Acolyte options
GK Grandmaster (3 Wounds, WS 6-7, I5)
GK Brother-Captain (2 Wounds, WS 5-6, I5)
GK Chaplain (2 Wounds, WS 5, I4)

Elites:

Imperial Assassin with all the flavors
Grey Knight Terminators
Maybe a non-HQ Inquisitor?
Elite-ish "Cannon Fodder"

Troops:

PAGK
Inquisitorial Stormtroopers

Fast Attack:

Storm Raven
PAGK with a "Gate of Infinity"-esque power and access to special weapons
Valkyrie for the IST?

Heavy Support:

Purgation Squad
Land Raider
Venerable Dreadnought
"Inducted" Leman Russ?

bhsman wrote:

Klawz wrote:Personal predictions:

HQ:
Inquisitor + Retinue
Grey Knights Grand Master
Grey knights Librarian

Elites:
GK Terminators
GK Dred
GK venerable Dred

Troops:
Cannon Fodder (of some kind)
Grey Knights

Fast Attack:
Stormraven
GK w/ Jump Packs

Heavy Support:
GK Devastators
GK Predator

^All guesses^

So just make them like regular Space Marines? At the very least rethink the idea of a Grey Knight Librarian.

If I had to guess, probably more like this:

HQ:

Inquisitor w/Acolyte options
GK Grandmaster (3 Wounds, WS 6-7, I5)
GK Brother-Captain (2 Wounds, WS 5-6, I5)
GK Chaplain (2 Wounds, WS 5, I4)

Elites:

Imperial Assassin with all the flavors
Grey Knight Terminators
Maybe a non-HQ Inquisitor?
Elite-ish "Cannon Fodder"

Troops:

PAGK
Inquisitorial Stormtroopers

Fast Attack:

Storm Raven
PAGK with a "Gate of Infinity"-esque power and access to special weapons
Valkyrie for the IST?

Heavy Support:

Purgation Squad
Land Raider
Venerable Dreadnought

That makes more sense. I was just guessing from what I know of GKs...

It's all good. Though I sincerely hope anything resembling Grey Knights with jump packs stays the hell away from the codex. :(

All I want is some multi-part plastic grey knights that I can actually do easy conversions on.