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Hopefully they won't get any overpowered psychic powers. Like an AP 1 lance that hits everything in a 4d6 line....

So now this topic thread has evolved into fabricating rules that don't exist and then hoping an army book that hasn't been released yet doesn't have them? Yeah, this topic is done till more information is available.

It's called speculation. That's what happens in a rumor thread.

Random speculation based on absolutely nothing is what's happening now. This thread is dead. Unsubscribe *click*.

On a postitive not, alteast my Blood Angles will finally be able to get their stormravens!

BrassScorpion wrote:Random speculation based on absolutely nothing is what's happening now. This thread is dead.

No offense man but this isn't exactly going to help. Case in point: Tempus Fugitives have released a campaign guide for a post-Heresy gaming meet sometime in early September. While this would usually not be a big deal, these guys seem to include rules for stuff that appears in upcoming rulebooks, or have rules for characters named in unreleased Black Library books. And this one contains rules for the Grey Knights. Though I'm halfway hoping a lot of it won't make the final cut, if any.

bhsman wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Random speculation based on absolutely nothing is what's happening now. This thread is dead.

No offense man but this isn't exactly going to help. Case in point: Tempus Fugitives have released a campaign guide for a post-Heresy gaming meet sometime in early September. While this would usually not be a big deal, these guys seem to include rules for stuff that appears in upcoming rulebooks, or have rules for characters named in unreleased Black Library books. And this one contains rules for the Grey Knights. Though I'm halfway hoping a lot of it won't make the final cut, if any.

Looking through some of the stuff in the TF book right now.

lol, 300pt GK squad, these guys are like the movie marines! Heck I want to try these in a regular game!

Also I like the call outs for heresy characters, Garro, Garviel (thought he was dead), Saul (also thought he was dead)!

bhsman wrote:

Klawz wrote:Personal predictions:

HQ:
Inquisitor + Retinue
Grey Knights Grand Master
Grey knights Librarian

Elites:
GK Terminators
GK Dred
GK venerable Dred

Troops:
Cannon Fodder (of some kind)
Grey Knights

Fast Attack:
Stormraven
GK w/ Jump Packs

Heavy Support:
GK Devastators
GK Predator

^All guesses^

So just make them like regular Space Marines? At the very least rethink the idea of a Grey Knight Librarian.

If I had to guess, probably more like this:

HQ:

Inquisitor w/Acolyte options
GK Grandmaster (3 Wounds, WS 6-7, I5)
GK Brother-Captain (2 Wounds, WS 5-6, I5)
GK Chaplain (2 Wounds, WS 5, I4)

Elites:

Imperial Assassin with all the flavors
Grey Knight Terminators
Maybe a non-HQ Inquisitor?
Elite-ish "Cannon Fodder"

Troops:

PAGK
Inquisitorial Stormtroopers

Fast Attack:

Storm Raven
PAGK with a "Gate of Infinity"-esque power and access to special weapons
Valkyrie for the IST?

Heavy Support:

Purgation Squad
Land Raider
Venerable Dreadnought
"Inducted" Leman Russ?

So one of you wants Codex: Shiney Marines and the other wants Codex: Shiney Marines and Mortals...

I'd rather have the angle they are working in the TF book.

Marinezilla.
Garro, a 10 man PAGK squad, a 5 man GKT sqad, and 2 land raiders to put them in rolls up about 1750pts, lol.

Guys, feel free to NOT quote gigantic swathes of text in order to drop a pithy one-liner at the end!

And, as we've already been told - a lot of these rumors are, more or less, confirmed false!

Speculation and wish-listing can go somewhere else to be discussed.

I would actually be upset if they gave standard GKs artificer armor, that would just drive the price of them up more(provided they dusted down the NFW) speaking of that, ive heard things like they will remove the justicar's power weapon and give the squad rending instead of st6

Grey Knights as a stand alone codex is really bloody stupid, I think. I've always felt Daemonhunters was one of the worst codex concepts that GW ever released. Combined Inquistion would have solved the problems, made for an interesting book, and freed a release spot from what is, to my mind, a terribly one dimensional army concept.

Meh. If they get lots of uber anti daemon powers, that's just another kick in the teeth to daemon and chaos marine players.

Ennkay wrote:I would actually be upset if they gave standard GKs artificer armor, that would just drive the price of them up more(provided they dusted down the NFW) speaking of that, ive heard things like they will remove the justicar's power weapon and give the squad rending instead of st6

I think that rending thing was mentioned as part of a thread some guy made as a joke.


Does anyone know what the situation is with assassins? As in, do they even make an appearance?!

The Artificer Armor does not bother me at all.
1] With all of the Anti-Terminator Builds out there, they will just die twice as fast as Non-Storm Shield Terminators.
2] It would make them unique Army.
3] My Plasma Spam list won’t notice the difference.
4] They will be Expensive [in both $$ and points] so you wont see so many.
5] It will annoy the out of all of the Marine Haters.
6] The Whining about the Space Wolves and Blood Angels will be diminished some.

Anpu42 wrote:The Artificer Armor does not bother me at all.
6] The Whining about the Space Wolves and Blood Angels will be diminished some.

this made me Lol

Just Dave wrote:So one of you wants Codex: Shiney Marines and the other wants Codex: Shiney Marines and Mortals...

Yep, all of the extensive details in which I think Grey Knights would be different from regular marines have been laid bare in a speculated FOC you titan of intellect you.

Anpu42 wrote:The Artificer Armor does not bother me at all.
1] With all of the Anti-Terminator Builds out there, they will just die twice as fast as Non-Storm Shield Terminators.
2] It would make them unique Army.
3] My Plasma Spam list won’t notice the difference.
4] They will be Expensive [in both $$ and points] so you wont see so many.
5] It will annoy the out of all of the Marine Haters.
6] The Whining about the Space Wolves and Blood Angels will be diminished some.

1-True, though most people will see 2+ save on basic troops and start posting about how GK are now GW's baby and no army will ever be better than them (until Necrons roll around and the carnival starts all over again )
2-Very, or would at least add to making them unique if you have them alongside ISTs and Imperial Assassins.
3-True, though it depends on how they handle Shrouding
4-Also depends. Compared to other lists at 2k, armies like Deathwing or Golden Shower/Sanguinary Guard lists are relatively cheap by comparison.
5-All the more reason to do it
6-We can only hope.

Personally I'm glad they're minimizing (if not actually eliminating) Inquisitorial presence...

Brings hope they'll do the same thing to Sisters when our turn comes. Besides, I like Grey Knights for Grey Knights, not for inquisitors.

But it is not called Codex: Grey Knights though, It's called Codex: Daemonhunters.

Ordo Malleus hunt down daemons.

Just wait, they'll take most of the Inq out of this book, and put it all into the Witchhunters book.

Melissia wrote:Personally I'm glad they're minimizing (if not actually eliminating) Inquisitorial presence...

Brings hope they'll do the same thing to Sisters when our turn comes. Besides, I like Grey Knights for Grey Knights, not for inquisitors.

Agreed; however, from what Harry has mentioned on that particlualr thread, is that the Sisters were started a little while after the GK's.
However, we just do not know what time-frame that is.

He also mentioned in regards to the artificer debate, that he cannot confirm that PAGK will get the 2+ save due to aritificer armor.....rules stuff was not detailed to him.
This could mean that;

1. PAGK's in "artificer" armor have a totally different power-armor suit (like they don't already I guess) which makes it look more detailed model-wise...meaning nothing really or maybe allowing a 'relentless' ability or something.

OR

2. PAGK's may get a 5+ inv save, thus replacing their current shrouding rule due to aegis-suits in the current DH codex. At least the PAGK's would still have a 3+, but seem to survive some deadly stuff for some staying power, especially if caught in the open. Granted, due to the prolific "cover" out there due to intervening troops and terrain, this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it would be something for HtH though.

Pure speculation on my part, however, but just going off what was mentioned by Harry and what he tried to clarify by what he posted, it's not a definite that artificer armor = 2+ saves for PAGK's in their codex.....it could be different, who knows.

Melissia wrote:Personally I'm glad they're minimizing (if not actually eliminating) Inquisitorial presence...

Brings hope they'll do the same thing to Sisters when our turn comes. Besides, I like Grey Knights for Grey Knights, not for inquisitors.

I'm very upset that they're eliminating a very interesting aspect of a previously unknown part of the GW mythos in favor of making another Space Marine army.

The Power Cosmic wrote:I'm very upset that they're eliminating a very interesting aspect of a previously unknown part of the GW mythos in favor of making another Space Marine army.

Previously unknown? Hardly. But Inquisitors and the Inquisition in general aren't that appropriate for 40k tabletop.

Also, we've consistently heard rumors that the Inquisition will get its own book, whether a codex or a form of supplement is not certain.

bhsman wrote:It's all good. Though I sincerely hope anything resembling Grey Knights with jump packs stays the hell away from the codex. :(

QFT

Truthfully the interesting part of a Grey Knight Codex will be what they charge for the boxes. Will we soon have Gold Knights, right 5 of them costing as much if not more than a 10-man Tac Squad. How 'bout a +US$15 increase for GKT's? I can see it.

Alpharius wrote:I hope they're at least still a bit interesting and customizable.

Of course they will. You'll be able to choose from a wide selection of pistols, rifles, HTH weapons and maybe even a few different armour types.

Just like every IC since the Dark Angels Codex.

aka_mythos wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Less focus on the Inquisiton

...has be one that good sources have stated several time and back by the game designers saying as much in conversation at Gamesday events.

And? So? But? Therefore?

Just because it's been stated several times doesn't make it good.

Ennkay wrote:I would actually be upset if they gave standard GKs artificer armor, that would just drive the price of them up more(provided they dusted down the NFW) speaking of that, ive heard things like they will remove the justicar's power weapon and give the squad rending instead of st6

The thing you have to keep in mind is that abstractly they should have their costs brought down, but if GW decides the overall price is fine they might make it artificer armor just to maintain the point cost at where it is.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Just because it's been stated several times doesn't make it good.

And just because the moon is big doesn't mean it's also heavy, so let's go push it back into the earth because it'd make a great beach ball.

If the "less focus on the Inquisition" rumor is untrustworthy, then every rumor is even more untrustworthy. So anything you have to say in this thread? Toss it out, it's pointless. Hell, let's just rename this entire forum as just "news", removing the "rumors" part entirely.

No rumor has been as consistent, from as high and low a source, as the "two codices, separate, focusing on the Grey Knights and Sisters" rumor, first stated by Jervis Johnson over two years ago and consistently confirmed since then.

GKs make me hurt >.> My HQ slots become useless against them - Nightfire hurts the SAG and this talk of anti psycker makes warpheads.... Ouch!

Melissia wrote:

The Power Cosmic wrote:I'm very upset that they're eliminating a very interesting aspect of a previously unknown part of the GW mythos in favor of making another Space Marine army.

Previously unknown? Hardly. But Inquisitors and the Inquisition in general aren't that appropriate for 40k tabletop.

Also, we've consistently heard rumors that the Inquisition will get its own book, whether a codex or a form of supplement is not certain.

How much of the Inquisition did we have before the Deamonhunters codex? Not counting 2nd edition's Codex Imperialis, we had an entry in the 3rd edition rulebook and an update in WD. Then the Inquisitor game comes along and GW creates a rich background for a bunch of different Inquisitorial factions. We get them rolled into 40k, and they're a unique thing (having allies, lots of grimdark gribblies), and now they're being eliminated. Just having Grey Knights is boring. It's another Marine army, la-de-frickin'-da. I don't care about you Sisters of Battle and their involvement with the Inquisition, but I think the Inquisition can fit there too.

And yes, GW has said there will be an Inquisition codex, but they've said lots of things. I wonder how close those Chaos Powers books are doing...

Actually, the only reason they even made the book Daemonhunters rather than Grey Knights in the first place was to advertise for their Inquisitor specialist game (which failed).

i know its a step towards standard marines but, gk bikers
bike mounet storm bolter as opposed to tl bolters and NFWs (or optional NFWs for justicars
this would be good in my opinion as it would be easier to fluff than jetpacks light transport for the under teched Gks
also if we go on fluff we know that GK chaplains exist from the GK novel
librarian i wouldnt like as all GKs are meant to be psychic
ooooh and the bikers NFWs should be lances like my Brothe captains