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Melissia wrote:

bhsman wrote:Blood Angels also have regular Dreadnoughts as a Heavy Support choice, whereas just about everyone else has them at Elite, so who knows?

Err, what? C:SM can have dreads as heavy support.

Yes sure but i guess he meant by default in elite. They need the HQ to have the HS Dread.
And Codex DA, Codex CSM dont even have that option.

Just Dave wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Blood Angels have Stormravens as Heavy Support? I don't see why it would be any different for Grey Knights.

And personally I really hate the idea of GK devastators, it doesn't really suit the GK fluff IMHO.

There are a number of examples of how different chapters utilize units differently and that altering their presence in the FOC. How the GK, fluffwise, use them and the difference in tactical emphasis could alter where it appears. For me, the stormraven being a heavy support choice puts it in a situation where it is competing against one unit its suppose transport, I realize BA can take those other Dreads but how about basic dreads with Storm Raven transport. If GK get the stormraven we would either have to assume GK will get new dreads or the Stormraven is moved from its HS FOC, or both, or GK codex will have the conflict of FOC slot as a greater flaw. Then there is the basic one, GK lack fast attack choices, they have to have something and this could generally work and if its too much GW could always put stipulations or restrictions on its use.

GK devastators... the purgation teams are sensible, its not like they're burdened with real heavy weapons. Its just a simple and reasonable way of having more options for the army.

Alkasyn: Indeed, Sisters haven't had a single special character who wasn't dead if memory serves.

If GK need anti-tank, then they should just get a couple psychic powers made for that purpose. The old psychic power Machine Curse springs to mind.

As would a psychic lance attack, or a psychic melta attack.

Actually, there IS a psychic melta attack in Dark Heresy, which Imperial Psykers who specialize in Pyromancy are capable of.

Grrr... well i got a Sisters (Witch hunters) army, 6000Pts. i hope i dont have to sell em' off. i dont want em' just sitting around.
Any hope they will be making it back?

Alkasyn wrote:

Ennkay wrote:I'm calling it now that they are including Justicar Alaric as a special character.

Agreed, but what's the point cost and stats ?:>

wizard12 wrote:Stuff

Or just make the books happen after the codex, fluff wise, similarly to what they did to Uriel Ventris and Codex: Space Marines (Captain Idaeus is the cap of the 4th company there)

True, but there is nothing special about Justicar Alaric before the book. He's just a normal Justicar. Even after the book, it's hard to see what they would do with him if they kept him in the Grey Knights section.

drunkorc wrote:Grrr... well i got a Sisters (Witch hunters) army, 6000Pts. i hope i dont have to sell em' off. i dont want em' just sitting around.
Any hope they will be making it back?

The work started a bit after Grey Knights, and Grey Knights will be released January or March, so keep up your hopes

drunkorc wrote:Grrr... well i got a Sisters (Witch hunters) army, 6000Pts. i hope i dont have to sell em' off. i dont want em' just sitting around.
Any hope they will be making it back?

Why do they sit around?
Last time i checked SoB have been a strong army with nice miniatures.
Just a little on the more expensive side to start... but if you have 6000 points already.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If we're going to get Grey Knights, and they're going to release the StormRaven, which should be a big seller, why isn't this a December release to catch the Holiday gift money?

Probably because DE are slated for November,and there would be too quick of a turnaround,both from a manufacturing and marketing standpoint.

Let's all try and stay On Topic here.

This is the Grey Knights/Daemonhunters thread.

NOT the Sisters of Battle/Witchhunters Thread.

They didn't include the characters from the Blood Angel books, so why would they include the ones from the GK books?

Has there ever been an instance where a character from a book series was added? There's Gaunt, but he's since been removed.

bhsman wrote:Has there ever been an instance where a character from a book series was added? There's Gaunt, but he's since been removed.

The Hates Orks guy from the Blood Angels codex was apparently added from a single White Dwarf battle report. Adding characters from novels would be a step up from that.

bhsman wrote:Has there ever been an instance where a character from a book series was added? There's Gaunt, but he's since been removed.

Colonel Schaeffer maybe, but I don't recall which came first.

AlexHolker wrote:The Hates Orks guy from the Blood Angels codex was apparently added from a single White Dwarf battle report. Adding characters from novels would be a step up from that.

Yes, from White Dwarf 160-something, and the second (I believe) 40K 2nd Ed Battle Report. Hardly a similar situation


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Brother SRM wrote:Colonel Schaeffer maybe, but I don't recall which came first.

The 2nd Ed Guard Codex came first, unless Schaeffer was in the early RT fluff.

AlexHolker wrote:

bhsman wrote:Has there ever been an instance where a character from a book series was added? There's Gaunt, but he's since been removed.

The Hates Orks guy from the Blood Angels codex was apparently added from a single White Dwarf battle report. Adding characters from novels would be a step up from that.

Spoiler:

Although it would be fun to see Sister Sledge return as Saint Sledge.

Tycho was never the main character in a series of books before being introduced, though.

Sure about that?

And what series of books?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Doesn't artsy give some invul?

Because unless I've made some terrible mistake, Terminators can fire heavy weapons and move.

EDIT: Just checked. in the DH codex, at least, they can do that. Meaning that they are the best unit to give a psycannon to.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Sure about that?

And what series of books?

And what exactly is that supposed to prove? Tycho wasn't even the main character in the Blood Angel books. In any case, it looks like it's pretty unlikely for a character from a book without any established fluff to make it into a codex.

Could've sworn your post said "Tycho was the main character..." rather than "wasn't".

Must've misread it.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Wow. What's the point of even using termies if they all have artsy armour?

More importantly, why would anyone pay for termies if they can get cheaper 2+ saves?

Because a) termis come with a 5+invulnerable, and further, everyone already owns terminators, so in order to sell kits, the regular guys need something cool.

No worries.

On another note, Fritz has been hinting as to getting some information about an upcoming Grey Knights codex himself, going further than Stickmonkey's info of S6 power weapons and claiming that they'll have Rending on top of this, supposedly to deal with vehicles. I wonder if that is too similar to that entirely made-up batch of rumors from a few months back.

He also backs up the idea of a Psyker Dread, and that the army will have quite a punch.

Brother SRM wrote:

bhsman wrote:Has there ever been an instance where a character from a book series was added? There's Gaunt, but he's since been removed.

Colonel Schaeffer maybe, but I don't recall which came first.

GW has since instructed its Game Designers not to mix and commingle intellectual properties. At one point their had been the idea to have character from Inquisitor in the Inquisition codices and the people on top shot it down. That's when they made an active decision to never (in the mean time) go down that path. My guess is there is probably legal paranoia, GW thinking novel authors could complicate things if they didn't like how their character was used on the tabletop rules.

All this talk makes me wonder when are we going to see plastic storm troopers?

Well, with the release of the GK Codex would make sense, wouldn't it?

Between storm troopers and stormravens... just makes GK seem like they're getting everyone's left overs.

aka_mythos wrote:Between storm troopers and stormravens... just makes GK seem like they're getting everyone's left overs.

Good point - though I'm sure many will rejoice!

Especially when Stormravens are opened up to all soon thereafter!

(Or, at the latest, 40K 6th!)

I think GW could always use them to inflate the number of releases rather than counting them as the actual release... if that makes sense.

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Between storm troopers and stormravens... just makes GK seem like they're getting everyone's left overs.

Good point - though I'm sure many will rejoice!

Especially when Stormravens are opened up to all soon thereafter!

(Or, at the latest, 40K 6th!)

Or they'll publish rules for them in White Dwarf like with the new Eldar tanks from a few months ago.