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Well, currently, that's what we have here - a big ol' deadlock.
At least on that we agree!

The way I see it, the only way the orks can break the stalemate, if they infact even want to, is if their numbers increase at a steady rate. All their reinforcements are doing now is allowing the 'nids to have a stable rate of biomass. The 'nids have no reason to change this. Right now the orks have a place to fight, and the 'nids have a place that gives them free biomass. It's win-win for both. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, the 'nids or the only ones that can win this in the end. They will, at some point, have enough biomass, to produce unending numbers. It would be in every other races best interest, for this not to happen. Maybe execpt for the orks, that is.

The Orks really don't seem to be having the best of it in the Octarius war anyway, the last sentence discussing it in Codex Tyranids ends: '...the Tyranids were not only surviving the Octarius war, they were thriving in it.'

Gogsnik wrote:The Orks really don't seem to be having the best of it in the Octarius war anyway, the last sentence discussing it in Codex Tyranids ends: '...the Tyranids were not only surviving the Octarius war, they were thriving in it.'

They have to say that for Tyranids, for Ork its just assumed.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote: as I theorised, more Orks do come

Not if they dont know its going on. Well all orks on the planet will come however no orks from other planets will come.

Orks always seem to know where a good fight is happening. More will turn up from outside the system, most definitely.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote: as I theorised, more Orks do come

Not if they dont know its going on. Well all orks on the planet will come however no orks from other planets will come.

And what makes you say this with certainty? Orks from outside areas of a war have come along after hearing there was a big scrap to be had. Just look at Armageddon..

And how do they know where the fight is? if it has anything to do with the warp count it out.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:And how do they know where the fight is? if it has anything to do with the warp count it out.

Ork's actually talk to each other you know? If there's a huge fight to be had they go to find more Orks to take part. Remember they are capable of warp travel.

Yes but how(and why) would they tell one another if their already fighting the enemy.

Warlords can send for more boyz. They usually have more than just one tribe under their command. And I'm guessing that all the orks in that area cant all be on one planet as Octarius is described as an ork empire. Plus not every single ork will be in the thick of the fighting. You'll have specialists making more wargear for fresh troops and reinforcements coming in from other parts of the ork empire. Plus some orks apparently in bigger tribes actually tend to farming the spores/mould that grows more boys. making it less based on chance and provides a much larger growth of new boyz.If anything a constant battle with a Hive splinter fleet also gives Orks a unity of purpose as they'll be too busy fighting the tyranids to bicker amongst themselves.

Edit: Having checked the planetstrike rulebook. It has a entry saying that the war basically has escalated to the entirety of the Octarius sector ( sectors encompassing areas holding hundreds if not many more worlds ). With Eldar, space marines and Imperial forces all getting mixed up in it. Not just the nids.

According to Codex Tyranids the start of the war began with every ork vessel within a dozen light years taking part but they were there ready and waiting. With the Shadow in the Warp in full effect it would be incredibly difficult to communicate with other systems unless a ship could make it through to pass word directly.

As for Ork unity the Tyranids very cleverly lured the warboss into an ambush and killed him, fracturing the ork defense and causing the various rival bosses fighting each other even in the face of the Tyranid onslaught.

With Eldar, space marines and Imperial forces all getting mixed up in it. Not just the nids.

Which page is that on?

I wonder how long it'll be before the Imperium opts for Exterminatus and blows large proportions of the two races into next tuesday.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:Yes but how(and why) would they tell one another if their already fighting the enemy.

Because a big fight is like a religious gathering for Orks. All it would take is for one to get hold of another and go "Oi, Zogdeg, I 'erd there was a proper big scrap wif them genesneakers and bugs and whatnot" and before you know it, more Orks end up heading to the fight.


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Eldar Own wrote:I wonder how long it'll be before the Imperium opts for Exterminatus and blows large proportions of the two races into next tuesday.

Probably never, given the Imperium likes to take over the planets it conquers. Kinda hard to live on a lifeless rock.

Gogsnik wrote:According to Codex Tyranids the start of the war began with every ork vessel within a dozen light years taking part but they were there ready and waiting. With the Shadow in the Warp in full effect it would be incredibly difficult to communicate with other systems unless a ship could make it through to pass word directly.

As for Ork unity the Tyranids very cleverly lured the warboss into an ambush and killed him, fracturing the ork defense and causing the various rival bosses fighting each other even in the face of the Tyranid onslaught.

That's are good points.

Gogsnik wrote:

With Eldar, space marines and Imperial forces all getting mixed up in it. Not just the nids.

Which page is that on?

He might be getting confused by the fact that Inquisitor Kryptman started the war between them by luring the Tyranids to the Ork empire.

Oh gak I mixed up two sources. The latter about the Eldar and imperial forces getting involved with the Octarius war is on page 49 of codex space marines. At the end of their timeline page.

So it is. It might just be a typo but that timeline in Codex Space Marines says Octavius, not Octarius.

Oh, GW and it's typos.
We found one once in the Cities of Death book that said "Every man is a but spark in the darkness" - how we laughed.

Well, the 4th edition Tyranid codex called it Octavius as well. The 5th edition codex calls it the Octarius system, but the main planet is Octaria. I blame Robin Cruddace.

Oh noes. I feel if we tug at this thread too much we could bring the entirety of the 40k setting down!

Quick! Pretend we never found this out!

Lets ransom it... our conditions will be to lower the cost of WH40K every where.

I had a look at this thread and Dakka broke for me. So ill just back away slowly.
I did read somewhere that the governor of the system was called Otto and he had special mechanicum implants.

wow, really...thats how they reproduce? Like a fungus or bacteria? Talk about the all time funky, hard to believe fluff. I never played orks, so dont know much about them....but I always pictured women orks and little baby orks, similar to shreks kids!

-- Taking personal note: do not play orks, because their fluff is completely laughable

Well, I'm afraid it's no more laughable than the Nids or even the Space marines, but whatever, you're entitled to your opinion.

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:

Melissia wrote:So?

A dead Ork releases a ton of spores that produces more Orks. And even if they don't die, more Orks still appear.

But we have already bin through the fact that nids reproduce faster.

Not really.

Take a dozen gaunts. THey won't be able to breed at all. They don't even have reproductive organs. Hell, they don't even have anything more than the utmost rudimentary digestive system.

Take a dozen Orks. A few years later that planet's completely infested and if there's no serious opposition it's ready to move on to the next one.

Now, take a hive fleet. It has to devour an entire world to reproduce, including defeating all of its defenders.

Take an Ork WAAAGH!. All it has to do is land, and it's already spreading spores and producing more Orks at a constant and exponentially increasing rate. Every single Ork that lands, or is born, constantly releases spores. Every single Ork that dies constantly produces a much larger number of spores.

The Ork reproductive system is far more efficient.

Hm, I didn't think of that. How many Tyranid species are actually able to breed? Anyone?

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Hm, I didn't think of that. How many Tyranid species are actually able to breed? Anyone?

One: Norn Queens.

I almost suggested the Tervigon and the Harridan, but then I recalled they "transported" the creatures they carry as opposed to actually spawning them.

Meanwhile, every single Ork-- and the grots, and the snotlings, and the squigs, and hell even the fungus they eat-- reproduces.

Once the Orkish reproductive system is going full force, the Tyranid system is woefully inefficient.

Tyranids many different types of organism, including flora and microscopic organisms. If an ork died, their spores would be consumed by the tyranids, meaning no more orks.