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Because you can sit with your fail snipers and revive them while prone and not moving. Medics running around with LMG's are fail medics and deserve to be killed. You can also see medics in TF2 run around shooting people, they're called battle medics if I recall correctly. A bunch of people I know run battle engys and battle medics for some reason.

halonachos wrote:You can gleen a lot from the guide in terms of gameplay. The guide offers you suggestions on how to play the multiplayer which are tactics that most people would follow normally. It also showed damage tables for each weapon vs people or vehicles which gives me an idea of how the weapons will work. Saying that you can't tell anything from guides is silly, you can get a basic idea and basically I don't like it.

...So the guides can read people's mind now?

OH GREAT AND POWERFUL GUIDE. PLEASE TELL ME WHERE PEOPLE WILL HIDE ON THE SUBURB MAP TO SNIPE FROM.

Battlefield's system works for me, TKing really doesn't happen because you can't really shoot your own teammates. The class system also works against it, a medic won't really jump in a tank because he can get 50pts for healing. An assault or engineer class would probably grab the vehicles while Snipers will snipe to get more points through scouting.

...We must really not be playing the same game when I play Battlefield.

It works for me because I run an engy class and repair my heli when I take too much damage, but its not everyone's cup of tea. Like I said, its like arguing against why you don't like pineapples on your pizza.

No, it's like arguing that a book is terrible based on the cover art.

All you've got to go upon is the artwork on the cover. You didn't even read a single page or the synopsis on the rear of the book.

Sure you can, and you can also sit around in spawn picking your nose, but unlike the BF series both of these are uncommon in TF2 because of better class and game design, respectively. And yes, I can say with some confidence that battle medics are uncommon in TF2... I've played seven hundred hours of that game, and that's just from after when they started recording it. I admit to only having played a tenth of that time in battlefield games, but whenever I used my medic's medical gear to revive or heal teammates, people commented on it and complimented me because it was apparently something uncommon... despite most of the team being medics they were all just running around with M60s, ignoring the various lightning symbols used to show someone can be revived.

And to drag this on topic, the purpose behind Homefront's classes were to encourage customization and adaptability between spawns. The teamwork bonus from classes comes rather from the various purchases you can equip rather than something inherent in the classes themselves.

halonachos wrote:while Snipers will snipe to get more points through scouting.

now snipers in BF is something you can moan about, every game I played was practically everyone on both sides sniping and calling in mortar strikes every 5 seconds, and you probably will die in that if you get shot in the foot, bland bland bland boring.

Melissia wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Okay I got something for you all. A lot of the game critics have said the game is good but feels like just another shooter. There really isn't too much innovation with it and it is kind of a let down after playing all the CoD games.

I haven't played hardly any of those games. I played like 2 hours of the first CoD on the original xbox. I played the Halo games, and Killzone 2.

So I am wondering, do you all think I might actually get some enjoyment out of this games since I am not burnt out on shooters?


I know a lot of people were disappointed in the first Fable game. I loved it, but I never read one preview of the game before I played it. So if you know anything about the hype of Fable, you would know that I didn't get disappointed since I didn't know about a lot of the info that was said before the game came out. I am wondering if I might have a similar experience with Homefront since I haven't really played many shooters.

Ignorance is Bliss.

If you're not into competitive multiplayer... I can't honestly recommend this game . The single player is just a bit too short.

Sad news....thanks for being honest. I guess I might rent it this summer when I get a blockbuster game pass.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-21-uk-top-40-homefront-brings-it-home

Homefront tops the charts in the UK. Fun times.

Stella Cadente wrote:

halonachos wrote:while Snipers will snipe to get more points through scouting.

now snipers in BF is something you can moan about, every game I played was practically everyone on both sides sniping and calling in mortar strikes every 5 seconds, and you probably will die in that if you get shot in the foot, bland bland bland boring.

Play as a medic and prone behind a sniper, easy points from revives. The most annoying snipers are the ones who keep sniping despite the fact they cannot snipe and for some reason refuse to use their sensors. Stupid fail snipers...


I would say that any game with a class system tries to encourage team play, but some people don't believe in team play. Those people play CoD all day long. MAG is the only game I've played that encourages team play because it forces you to defend an objective with your team and you get bonuses for listening to the squad commander, who also gets a bonus for listening to the platoon commander, who gets bonus points for listening to the company commander. You can set up classes in between rounds and its not uncommon to have people running around with an engy tool and a medic tool while sacrificing armor and weapon power. Although if you play with a bunch of CoD players you won't do as well. Wait for the CoD players to get into Homefront then you'll start to see that happen. Don't blame the game, blame CoD.


Does Homefront have any exploitable glitches yet?

So, is Homefront worth buying at all? I have been burned on many FPS games so I tend to get actual user reviews. I stopped believe magazine reviews when recently they gave MW2 9s and said it was a great game....

I am still content with playing Dawn of War and Starcraft at the moment so not like I need to buy any more games but the trailers looked really cool for this game.

Have to say I usually play a medic on class based games and really don't understand it when other medics just run around like tools not healing/putting down health packs/etc.

Does Homefront have a class system (in terms of allowing medics?)

SilverMK2 wrote:Have to say I usually play a medic on class based games and really don't understand it when other medics just run around like tools not healing/putting down health packs/etc.

Does Homefront have a class system (in terms of allowing medics?)

According to Mellissia it has the best class system that makes players into team players no matter their play style.

SilverMK2 wrote:Have to say I usually play a medic on class based games and really don't understand it when other medics just run around like tools not healing/putting down health packs/etc.

Does Homefront have a class system (in terms of allowing medics?)

Not really. There's no revive system that I've seen.

It's kinda nice, prevents your teammates from abusing it.

halonachos wrote:
According to Melissia it has the best class system that makes players into team players no matter their play style.

How's your psychic game guide working out for you? Found those sniper spots for me yet?

Crom: it depends on what you're wanting from it. MP--it's still too early to really tell. THQ/Kaos vastly underestimated how many people would buy Homefront and are still adding more and more servers.
If you want a half-decent story about occupied America--it's your thing right here.

I am just looking for a decent shooter that has balanced multiplayer is all

Then this may be your thing. The MP's still got kinks to work out, but that's because the game only released last week.

Kanluwen wrote:Then this may be your thing. The MP's still got kinks to work out, but that's because the game only released last week.

I dislike a lot of modern MP first person games because they either encourage camping, do not emphasize on team play, and they make maps so freaking huge you spend a full minute running some where if there are no vehicles present.

Actually I probably could find those sniping spots for you, they already told me some of the camping spots in the maps.

Crom wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Then this may be your thing. The MP's still got kinks to work out, but that's because the game only released last week.

I dislike a lot of modern MP first person games because they either encourage camping, do not emphasize on team play, and they make maps so freaking huge you spend a full minute running some where if there are no vehicles present.

You're going to spend time running, but you can spawn in teammate's vehicles.

Camping is semi-encouraged, but they immediately show your position to whoever you kill--so if you don't move you're boned.
Add in UAV Hellfire strikes and you want to keep on the move, taking shots where you can.

halonachos wrote:Actually I probably could find those sniping spots for you, they already told me some of the camping spots in the maps.

What "camping spots" in the maps? Only an idiot camps in HF.

If he's played Modern Warfare he may be used to the killcam in non-hardcore modes.

Actually they do recommend several spots that are heavy traffic for players on the opposite team. They recommend sitting in those spots and taking out whoever comes by. When I go back to work I'll take a look at the advice they give again. Its really similar to what they do with every game with multiplayer, they show the entire map, spawns, good locations for sniping/camping, etc.

Give it some time and you'll see, no one can stop camping for long.

Hahahaha.

There are no "spawns". They constantly rotate.

So are you telling me that you never join a game because there are no spawns? Each game has spawn points, some games have spawn points you can choose, and some rotate the spawns constantly.

Most games will have a dedicated starting spawn point for each team for each game mode.

Battlefield, MAG, Battlefront, and several games offer the chance to spawn at captured points. Certain oher ones allow you to spawn with your squad while in combat. Other games try to spawn you away from enemies and closer to your allies.

Saying that there are no spawns is incorrect, there may be no set spawn points which helps prevent spawn camping, but its nothing new.

Also:

videogamer.net wrote:Learn the maps
This might be a key tactic for all multiplayer shooters, but it's just as important to learn your surroundings in Homefront as it is everywhere else. Spend time getting a feel for each of the eight maps. Where are the spawn points? Which are the best places to hide when you're capturing points in Ground Control? What's a good place to hide when you're looking to scout around with the Parrot? Once you've got to grips with the maps you'll be able to focus on tactics and shooting.

So are you telling me that you never join a game because there are no spawns? Each game has spawn points, some games have spawn points you can choose, and some rotate the spawns constantly.

Are you really going to try to act like that's what I'm saying? Really?
Your location is quite apt, because logic sure as hell isn't getting through to you. Go back to battlefield.

You said that there were no spawns. I said that there were spawn points, you kind of failed to see that part I guess. From websites I got information saying that spawn points exist and saying that spawn points should be found.

I guess that they didn't play the game either because spawn points don't exist because they're rotational? How does that logic work?

Kanluwen wrote:

So are you telling me that you never join a game because there are no spawns? Each game has spawn points, some games have spawn points you can choose, and some rotate the spawns constantly.

Are you really going to try to act like that's what I'm saying? Really?
Your location is quite apt, because logic sure as hell isn't getting through to you. Go back to battlefield.

You don't play well with others do you?

Lord Harrab wrote:You don't play well with others do you?

He takes some getting used to

@ Halo - What Kan is saying is that spawn points localise to team members, or randomly alternate over the map, thus while you could camp at a spawn point, it is likely that the computer would see there is a member of the other team near the spawn point and just spawn people somewhere else. Even if it did not do that you would probably not see people spawning there often if the spawns are randomised or if they spawn people based on where their team is.

Kanluwen wrote:

So are you telling me that you never join a game because there are no spawns? Each game has spawn points, some games have spawn points you can choose, and some rotate the spawns constantly.

Are you really going to try to act like that's what I'm saying? Really?
Your location is quite apt, because logic sure as hell isn't getting through to you. Go back to battlefield.

*ahem* Can we please be polite when speaking with other posters please. This applies to all users, it's just video games people, honestly.

This isn't a videogame, it am a work of art. The second coming of whatever deity they pray to. Peter fething Molineux wished he did this game.

I don't get it though, just another shooter and a short one at that, money well spent.

I strongly regret buying this game, the premise and story seemed interesting, but what it really is, is an underdeveloped, low quality COD rip-off. It falls flat in every aspect, the controls and gameplay are completly ripped from COD, the story manages to take an interesting concept and degenerate it into a bland shooting gallery, the characters are blocks of wood, all of the weapons are shameless COD rip-offs despite the game taking place in the future. The campaign took barely 4 hours to complete, and even the ending was a letdown. Not to mention this games graphics look like they belong on a PS2. I have heard the multiplayer is good, but the Dedicated servers that are suppossed to exist have been down since day one. This game isnt worth the plastic box it comes in.

The Night Stalker wrote:I strongly regret buying this game, the premise and story seemed interesting, but what it really is, is an underdeveloped, low quality COD rip-off. It falls flat in every aspect, the controls and gameplay are completly ripped from COD, the story manages to take an interesting concept and degenerate it into a bland shooting gallery, the characters are blocks of wood, all of the weapons are shameless COD rip-offs despite the game taking place in the future. The campaign took barely 4 hours to complete, and even the ending was a letdown. Not to mention this games graphics look like they belong on a PS2. I have heard the multiplayer is good, but the Dedicated servers that are suppossed to exist have been down since day one. This game isnt worth the plastic box it comes in.

As an older gamer myself I find all the COD knock off shooters boring, lame, and rehashes of each other. I think the last shooter I really liked single player in was HL2 and all the add ons that came with it. I built a top of the line PC about 2 years ago, and went out and bought COD4, Crysis, and other games (so lame I cannot even remember their titles now) to max out my video card at the time. They were all rather boring and dull. Farcry 2 was totally lame compared to the original. Then I look at games that innovate in a certain way like Redfaction and Singularity that have cool concepts but end up being super crappy games. FEAR was cool, but after a while very repetitive.

Maybe it is just because I am a bit older now and not amazed as much as I used to be by video games. The last series of games I played where I was hooked was God of War series and I never played any of them until I got my PS3.

I have to say that the ever decreasing completion time of the single player in FPS (or indeed any genre) makes me a sad panda.

I was a huge fan of the Half-Life series, and currently Just Cause 2 is what I am playing.

The thing that really got me mad in Homefront is that it was a squandered opportunity, the first level had that sense of immersion as your character rode in that rundown bus past all of the brutality taking place on the city streets really had me interested. But as soon as a gun was put in your hand the game became a poorly made cookie-cutter shooter with technology from last generation.

(the grenade throwing animation made me burst out laughing)

That bus ride is a good example of "Trying. Too. Hard."