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Amaya wrote:North Korea taking over South Korea and attacking the US is the best idea he could come up with?
North Korea would get rolled over by SK. They don't have a chance against the SK + US.
And the United States didn't have a chance against Britain back in the Revolutionary War.
Upsets happen. And this is a work of fiction.
Yeah, but the presence of a huge ocean kind of won the war for the colonists.
Anywho it does look like and sound like a good game. The graphics do look kind of last gen (sort of like BF2 on the PS2 really) as noted, but sometimes graphics aren't that important. BF2 was a fantastic game and the graphics weren't good.
As far as the points system goes, I would say that is more like Counterstrike. So overall it sounds like a cross between Battlefield 2 and Counterstrike with a Tom Clancy story. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do it right.
The graphics will have DX10 and DX11 support on the PC, if you are a PC gamer. Don't worry, they'll be pretty good.
As far as BF goes, I dunno about the older games, but BFBC2 wasn't really that different from CoD in my experience. I find a bigger difference between different Source engine games than I did between BFBC2 and CoD:BO.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
For battlefield 2 think BFBC2 minus the demolishable terrain and class upgrades.
There was also only one game mode and it was a lot like ground war in CoD. There were capture points that acted like spawn points and there were spawn points for each base.
Spec Ops had a silenced SMG, knife, C4, and a flash bang IIRC. Support had a mortar strike, healing kit, LMG, and grenades. There were the same amount of kits as in BFBC2 though and the same kind of kits ie; sniper, assault, engineer, support, spec ops.
Both had boats, helicopters, tanks, and smaller vehicles but the PC version had jets.
In BF2 there was a computer that would let you call in a mortar strike every so often, but it was available to whichever team got to it first. Whenever you did get it a map would pop up showing the locations of enemy/friendly troops and vehicles.
One time I got it and saw a group of blue circles(my troops) next to a red tank(enemy tank) in an area that was a bridge. I thought that the tank was on top of the bridge and my guys were below it so I called in the strike. I saw -20 pop up on my screen and when I went over there the tank was stuck in the canal under the bridge because the driver was stupid enough to go under the bridge. I still ended with a +30, but it was tough.
Then there was that time I killed the entire enemy team with one sniper rifle shot, that was amazing.
So many good memories, hell I remember a guy who managed to land the helicopter upside down.
Well that clears up any desire I ever had to try the BF series. Thanks.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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My blog
I was playing on Black Gold as the terrorist group along with 2 other guys. The american team (a whole 8 people) decided to load up into both black hawks and the minichopper.
I saw the first black hawk and took out the pilot. The guy in the passenger seat didn't notice and the helicopter plummeted into the oil rig. The second heli was flying right behind it and crashed into the debris of the first crash which ended up killing the guys in the other helicopter as well. The minichopper pilot was smart and flew around the two exploding black hawks. He, however, flew into the tower on the oil rig.
It was the best thing ever, my two teammates laughed our collective butts off at that. Sure we ended up losing, but it was a great beginning for us.
Just watched a gameplay walkthrough... It looks exactly like BF, only difference: Here you get ingame battle points for stuff you do, in BF you get unlocks.
If BF is the only FPS game you've ever played, it probably does look like BF.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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My blog
You realize that people have said "OMG IT LOOKS LIKE BF!", "OMG IT LOOKS LIKE CoD!" "OMG IT LOOKS LIKE MoH!" and a dozen other things already, right?
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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Because the comparisons are worthless, like fake tits on a zombie to quote another famous FPS game.
Also, Battlefield is average at best from my playing of a few games in the series. The Source Engine games are far better in almost every way.
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Earth to Melissia; that's how some people make their purchases!
Seriously, if a game is a lot like a game I like then the chances of me buying it increases.
If its a lot like a game I don't like, then I'm not going to buy it.
If this game is like Battlefield and MAG then chances are I may just buy it. I love both of those games afterall, you probably wouldn't like MAG though because they don't have female characters.
Earth to Melissia; that's how some people make their purchases!
Seriously, if a game is a lot like a game I like then the chances of me buying it increases.
If its a lot like a game I don't like, then I'm not going to buy it.
If this game is like Battlefield and MAG then chances are I may just buy it. I love both of those games afterall, you probably wouldn't like MAG though because they don't have female characters.
halonachos wrote:that's how some people make their purchases!
Yeah, and some people make their purchases based off of flipping a coin too-- let's face it, this is worth just about as much. Simply saying "looks like X" is kinda worthless, you have to look at the actual game features, play a demo, etc to figure out if you are going to enjoy it. I could easily say "BF looks like call of duty" and not be inaccurate anyway, given how similar modern FPS games are to eachother in pure looks.
Amaya wrote:BF is a decent FPS series.
If by decent, you mean mediocre. It really only sticks out if you compare it to Call of Duty, which BF fanboys constantly do to the point of it being a parody of itself.
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halonachos wrote:that's how some people make their purchases!
Yeah, and some people make their purchases based off of flipping a coin too-- let's face it, this is worth just about as much. Simply saying "looks like X" is kinda worthless, you have to look at the actual game features, play a demo, etc to figure out if you are going to enjoy it. I could easily say "BF looks like call of duty" and not be inaccurate anyway, given how similar modern FPS games are to eachother in pure looks.
When did anyone say that they would buy it simply because it looks like X game?
Alright Melissia we get it, you don't use comparisons when deciding what games to buy, except for when you do.
Melissia wrote:When I have choices between games in the same relative subgenre (fps war shooters, for example), a game letting me play a female avatar is better than a game that does not let me play one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As far as CoD and BF being compared the fanboys are going to be silly.
In BF it seems to be a bit harder to kill enemies for some reason and the presence of vehicles is another point where they differ.
To me it looks like that even though BF and CoD are both FPS's they are located in different gameoecological niches. Battlefield is more like what it name implies, a large battlefield filled with people and vehicles of war. Call of Duty focuses more on smaller battles that don't really need vehicles. Another thing is the type of action going on. In CoD I feel more like a 'lone wolf' hero than a teammate because of the small amount of players in a match. When I play BF I feel more like a team player because of the larger amount of players and the class system.
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halonachos wrote:As far as CoD and BF being compared the fanboys are going to be silly.
In BF it seems to be a bit harder to kill enemies for some reason and the presence of vehicles is another point where they differ.
It certainly isn't any harder to kill someone in BFBC2 than it is in Black Ops. Tons of lone wolves operating in BC2, too.
And the post you quoted? That was me examining a feature. A subgenre is just that... a subsection of a genre. Like "science fiction FPS game", or "modern warfare FPS game". Most FPS games of their subgenre look significantly similar to eachother when not playing them to the point where it's rather useless to try and use visuals to differentiate them, instead you need to use actual facts about the games.
And annoyingly enough, choppers with miniguns are the most obnoxiously powerful things in both BC2 and in Black Ops. Here's to hoping the recon and attack helicopters are balanced properly, unlike those two games.
Thus far, we know the following vehicle support purchases are in (For reference, you get 150 bp per kill, 200 for capturing an objective, 70 for defending an objective, 30 for marking a target with recon drone, etc):
The following drones you deploy and control remotely. Find a safe place, deploy the drone, then control it until it's destroyed and get back into the game.
- Helicopter Attack Drone - Costs 800 BP. Fires 2 missiles every 4 - 5 seconds.
- RQ-10 Parrot - Recon Drone - 250 BP - A battery powered, remote-control quadricopter. Cameras relay targeting info to teammates. Unlocked at level 1.
- MQ50 MG Wolverine- Assault Drone - 500 BP -A battery powered, multi-terrain tracked drone. The assault variant is equipped with a machine gun. Unlocked at level 1.
- MQ60 AT Rhino - Anti-tank Drone - 400 BP - A battery powered, multi-terrain tracked drone. The anti-tank variant has two modes of fire: unguided and lock on. Unlocked at level 20.
The following air support brings you to a map screen, and you indicate where the ordnance drops.
- Cluster bomb - 2000 BP - A single-use, UCAV guided cluster bomb. High-altitude dispersal creates large area of effect. Unlocked at level 44.
- White Phosphorus - 1300 BP - Single-use, UCAV-launched white phosphorus guided missile. Unlocked at level 19.
- Hellfire - 1100 BP - Two UCAV-launched air-to-surface precision guided missiles. Unlocked at level 8.
The following vehcles you purchase before you spawn, and you spawn inside of them. Allies can man turrets.
- HMMWV -- transport vehicle with an MG, probably
- Light Armor Vehicle (LAV) Piranha – 1400 BPs (Level 10) -- Armored car, not sure of its armaments
- M1A3 Abrams – 2000 BPs (Level 15) -- Main battle tank, aside from cannon not sure of its armaments
- AH-700 Scout – 2400 BPs (Level 22) -- Scout helicopter, has an MG I believe.
- AH-64 Apache – 3200 BPs (Level 30) -- Attack helicopter, uses rockets and possibly and MG.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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halonachos wrote:As far as CoD and BF being compared the fanboys are going to be silly.
In BF it seems to be a bit harder to kill enemies for some reason and the presence of vehicles is another point where they differ.
It certainly isn't any harder to kill someone in BFBC2 than it is in Black Ops. Tons of lone wolves operating in BC2, too.
And the post you quoted? That was me examining a feature. A subgenre is just that... a subsection of a genre. Like "science fiction FPS game", or "modern warfare FPS game". Most FPS games of their subgenre look significantly similar to eachother when not playing them to the point where it's rather useless to try and use visuals to differentiate them, instead you need to use actual facts about the games.
And annoyingly enough, choppers with miniguns are the most obnoxiously powerful things in both BC2 and in Black Ops. Here's to hoping the recon and attack helicopters are balanced properly, unlike those two games.
Thus far, we know the following vehicle support purchases are in (For reference, you get 150 bp per kill, 200 for capturing an objective, 70 for defending an objective, 30 for marking a target with recon drone, etc):
The following drones you deploy and control remotely. Find a safe place, deploy the drone, then control it until it's destroyed and get back into the game.
- Helicopter Attack Drone - Costs 800 BP. Fires 2 missiles every 4 - 5 seconds.
- RQ-10 Parrot - Recon Drone - 250 BP - A battery powered, remote-control quadricopter. Cameras relay targeting info to teammates. Unlocked at level 1.
- MQ50 MG Wolverine- Assault Drone - 500 BP -A battery powered, multi-terrain tracked drone. The assault variant is equipped with a machine gun. Unlocked at level 1.
- MQ60 AT Rhino - Anti-tank Drone - 400 BP - A battery powered, multi-terrain tracked drone. The anti-tank variant has two modes of fire: unguided and lock on. Unlocked at level 20.
The following air support brings you to a map screen, and you indicate where the ordnance drops.
- Cluster bomb - 2000 BP - A single-use, UCAV guided cluster bomb. High-altitude dispersal creates large area of effect. Unlocked at level 44.
- White Phosphorus - 1300 BP - Single-use, UCAV-launched white phosphorus guided missile. Unlocked at level 19.
- Hellfire - 1100 BP - Two UCAV-launched air-to-surface precision guided missiles. Unlocked at level 8.
The following vehcles you purchase before you spawn, and you spawn inside of them. Allies can man turrets.
- HMMWV -- transport vehicle with an MG, probably
- Light Armor Vehicle (LAV) Piranha – 1400 BPs (Level 10) -- Armored car, not sure of its armaments
- M1A3 Abrams – 2000 BPs (Level 15) -- Main battle tank, aside from cannon not sure of its armaments
- AH-700 Scout – 2400 BPs (Level 22) -- Scout helicopter, has an MG I believe.
- AH-64 Apache – 3200 BPs (Level 30) -- Attack helicopter, uses rockets and possibly and MG.
BC2 really isn't that good of a game compared to the older ones, IMO the old WW2 one is still the best. Heck BF 1943 was better.
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halonachos wrote:As far as CoD and BF being compared the fanboys are going to be silly.
In BF it seems to be a bit harder to kill enemies for some reason and the presence of vehicles is another point where they differ.
It certainly isn't any harder to kill someone in BFBC2 than it is in Black Ops. Tons of lone wolves operating in BC2, too.
And the post you quoted? That was me examining a feature. A subgenre is just that... a subsection of a genre. Like "science fiction FPS game", or "modern warfare FPS game". Most FPS games of their subgenre look significantly similar to eachother when not playing them to the point where it's rather useless to try and use visuals to differentiate them, instead you need to use actual facts about the games.
Okay, you do realize that there is a tad bit difference in BF2 and BC2 right? kind of like the lack of objectives you had to blow up in BF2. Also there was a balance, it was hard fly the minichopper and all snipers had a lock on missile that they could use to shoot the choppers down if they didn't want to snipe the pilot.
And the post I quoted was you examining a feature and seeing if another game had the same feature, last time I checked that's called comparison.
Comparing the facts of a game to another to make a decision is still comparison, face it Melissia you *shudder* compare games to one another.
websters wrote:Definition of COMPARISON 1: the act or process of comparing: as a : the representing of one thing or person as similar to or like another b : an examination of two or more items to establish similarities and dissimilarities <his faults seem minor by comparison> 2: identity of features : similarity <several points of comparison between the two> 3: the modification of an adjective or adverb to denote different levels of quality, quantity, or relation
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No, comparing the facts of the game is not comparing the look of the game and saying "this looks like X, therefor I will like it". Watching videos of modern FPS games, people frequently mistake one for the other unless the videos are labeled, asking "is this from X", then the creator of the video answers "no it's from Y".
This is because the aesthetics of most modern FPS games are quite similar, and the important part of hte game isn't the looks, but the actual gameplay-- which one can't discern in its entirety from simply watching videos as some of the more important differences between various game series can be quite subtle.
Now, shall we get back on topic? Homefront and all.
Sadly, I haven't seen any evidence of shotguns in the game outside of the preorder one from gamestop. Hopefully when we get PC information later this week we'll get confirmation of more in depth multiplayer info.
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Actually no, I was comparing the facts of what the gameplay was like in the games and the features therefor included.
I have no idea why you thought I was comparing graphics though...
For example Star Wars Battlefront looks a lot like Battlefield. Even though one of them is set in the Star Wars universe they both have a limited class system, spawn points, 'game tickets'( the collective respawn limit), and presence of vehicles.
Get past the graphics and setting, they are the same exact game.
HF looks like MAG, BF, and Freedom fighters.
MAG- Airstrikes that you can use depending on level(lower levels can use mortars while higher levels can call in airstrikes).
BFBC2/BF series- Presence of UAV's and vehicles en masse.
Freedom Fighters- Mostly storyline, guerilla fighters going against a force that has invaded the united states.
Counterstrike- Earning in-game currency to buy vehicles(this was also present in Command and Conquer Renegade multiplayer and worked well).
Am I comparing it to other games, hell yes. Why, because the majority of people on the planet have played Counterstrike, MAG, Freedom Fighters, or BF.
And no, I don't get my games confused based solely on the graphics because I'm awesome.
I'm certainly hoping it's not like BFBC2's vehicle section because that was one of the most unbalanced gakstorms I've played in a long time.
The presence of EMP weapons (a grenade is completely confirmed, but there was also a mention of an underslung EMP grenade launcher as well), proximity launchers (they explode if the rocket is near the vehicle and would miss otherwise), the absence of emplacements, and the fact that there's not infinitely respawning choppers (you have to buy them with battle points and they're the most expensive vehicles in the game) sets it as very different than from the BF series.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
There isn't that much of a difference, if you have the points they have the chopper.
Which makes it like C&C Renegade's vehicle purchasing menu.
If the helicopter is the most expensive vehicle I can guarantee that its going to be overpowered and as far as the rockets are concerned they may be slower if they are proximity which means the heli pilot has a chance for evasion.
I didn't think BFBC2 was too unbalanced though. Both sides had armored vehicles and some kind of aerial vehicle whether it was a UAV or the choppers. If the UAV got to the chopper before it took off that would be a dead chopper, if the chopper was in the air it could ram the UAV to take it out.
Anywho, in Renegade you went to a building that had a factory in it and bought the vehicle. Once you bought the vehicle it was built and placed outside of the factory, you then got into it and had fun.
So it makes me wonder if HF is going to have a dedicated place for vehicle purchases or is it going to be similar to how the killstreaks in CoD work(ie you can do them anywhere).
