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BrookM wrote:That bus ride is a good example of "Trying. Too. Hard."
Actually I disagree. I am totally on board with The Night Stalker, the intro sequences were well done and had a real atmosphere to it. I enjoyed the SP experience about as much as I do any linear non-challengeing game experience in terms of game play (and you can check my steam acheivements I beat this game on the hardest setting first time through).
The multiplayer does have a nice dynamic to it that I haven't seen in anyother FPS to date. No unbalanced kill streak issues (which I normally use to destroy the other teams in COD, MOH, etc.). No dumb point farming exploits due to silly class gimmicks (no medic healing points, no engy repairing a vehicle he damaged himself for points, etc.). Some nice new innovations in gameplay for an FPS (the wanted star system from GTA4 integrated into FPS). Awesome combination of in-game scoring and purchasing of equipment. No vehicle spawn issues since you buy the vehicle whenever you want to use it or spawn in it. Spawn point concerns don't seem to be an issue due to roving spawn areas, being able to spawn into transports and enemy detection. Nice, tight twitch style gameplay which is great on the PC and allows skilled players to do some excellent shooting. No spray and pray COD crap. Snipers are forced to snipe and relocate like in real life due to drones, kill cams, spotters, etc. which helps to cut down on all the QQ'ers who whine about "camping" like its not a valid tactic. Customizable perks for characters and vehicles! Nice selection of current era gear and weapons as well as a couple of futureistic choices for spice (Love the underslung EMP launcher). Drone combat is a great time all around. Zipping through windows to flush out the enemy with a rocket drone while your team mates gun them down or using the spotter drone to mark all the targets in a building for a coordinated sweep and clear by the rest of your squad is satisfying. Voice chat and the (PC only) squad system allows for fun team play and reall strategy and tactics between a small group of people taking part in a larger (32 player) battle. The list goes on and on.
Bad points:
Sub-par graphics. Some scenes of torture/un-humaine treatment of human beings that people may wish to believe would never happen in the real world. Noobs still exist and have bought the game. Bugs do exist or so I am told (mostly on the consoles) but I've never encounterd any on my PC gaming rig or any servers I have joined.
As always these are simply my opinions as a vetern gamer and developer, which should be taken with a grain of salt as everyone wants something different from a game. Is it worth $60? Like most games I doubt it, especially if you only want a single player experience. Go watch three movies instead, its probably more of what you want instead and about the same cost (if you buy food). If you want a different type of MP experience then try it out, but like most new games I feel their needs to be more maps and mod tools to hold my interest for more than two to three weeks.
Freedom Fighters is indeed a good game. Your actions in missions changed what you faced in other missions.
For example at one point you could assault a helipad, a communications area, or a power station. If you didn't take out the helipad you faced a heli of doom in the other two missions. Taking out the helipad meant the other missions were so much easier.
Strimen wrote: Noobs still exist and have bought the game.
how dare those noobs buy the game and have the cheek to play it, don't they know that gaming is for the elite only these days, damn them noobs......
well my homefront has already died, it won't even load on the 360 anymore, just crashes the whole console before even reaching the start menu, so money well spent.
It's a good buy, just not a good $50 buy. In retrospect, I'd certainly buy it at half the price, but other than the story and some of the nice 'shock elements' (ie the little kid watching his parents get executed, dumping bodies in a ditch, etc...), nothing makes it stand out. And while the story was good, 5 hours is -not- enough for it to be the pillar holding the game up above competitors.
When it drops to half price, yea I'd suggest scooping it up. It's nothing amazing, but it's still a fun game and the multiplayer isn't too bad. It's sort of the halfway between CoD's failfest and BF's mega-win. When the price drops down, you may want to give it a try.
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Strimen wrote: Noobs still exist and have bought the game.
how dare those noobs buy the game and have the cheek to play it, don't they know that gaming is for the elite only these days, damn them noobs......
well my homefront has already died, it won't even load on the 360 anymore, just crashes the whole console before even reaching the start menu, so money well spent.
Reminds me of the Starcraft II forums. If you are bronze league you should just not play the game.....elitism over video games is rather silly, and funny at the same time.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the Eldar!
I find that lower level players will beat the hell out of higher leveled people at about half of the times.
"Way to go [random guy], good job showing us that the prestige symbols mean absolutely nothing."
-Random guy to another random player on Black Ops.
There was this guy who was a level 50, 8th something prestige who ended up 13-28 after the match. He lost to a guy who was level 18 without any prestige.
"You know what Prestin_G, even though we make fun of you, you're our favorite noob on this game. We like you Prestin, you're the best."
-Me to a player with the name "Prestin_G" on CoD, he was level 8 at the time, no prestige. I was playing with some other friends online and we decided that he was the best noob on the game, or at least our favorite noob.
I like noobs, they make the game interesting because they don't know all the tricks that experienced players look for.
halonachos wrote:There was this guy who was a level 50, 8th something prestige who ended up 13-28 after the match. He lost to a guy who was level 18 without any prestige
That is not unexpected - could be someones second account, could just be a really good new player vs someone who had ground his way up the ranks, or someone who was normally good but was not really getting into the game, someone who just had a bad game, or someone who was playing on this guys account.
Just because you are high ranked on a computer game doesn't mean you have to be good, or that someone who just got the game isn't going to be amazing. Computer games are the great leveler.
halonachos wrote:There was this guy who was a level 50, 8th something prestige who ended up 13-28 after the match. He lost to a guy who was level 18 without any prestige
That is not unexpected - could be someones second account, could just be a really good new player vs someone who had ground his way up the ranks, or someone who was normally good but was not really getting into the game, someone who just had a bad game, or someone who was playing on this guys account.
Just because you are high ranked on a computer game doesn't mean you have to be good, or that someone who just got the game isn't going to be amazing. Computer games are the great leveler.
Unless you are playing CoD.
Silver speaks truth. He's a Lieutenant Colonel on Halo: Reach and he's terrible!
Strimen wrote: Noobs still exist and have bought the game.
how dare those noobs buy the game and have the cheek to play it, don't they know that gaming is for the elite only these days, damn them noobs......
well my homefront has already died, it won't even load on the 360 anymore, just crashes the whole console before even reaching the start menu, so money well spent.
I'm pretty sure part of your issue is that you have a 360. Money well spent, onto the next box. (I've had 9 die between work and home.)
Joking aside, I was simply pointing it out that people of all skill levels purchased the game. As should be expected, but the internet age generally forgets that lack of skill does not equate to lack of entitlement.
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halonachos wrote:According to Mellissia it has the best class system that makes players into team players no matter their play style.
No, I said it was a class system designed around customizability. It's TF2 that has the best class system, makes battlefailed's class system rather laughable in comparison.
In Homefront, it is up to the individual player to make use of this customizability, and they certainly can use it to produce teamwork if they want.
And yeah, Homefront's single player is not worth getting the game for. It's too short, I've had Left 4 Dead campaigns on easy last about as longer. Its multiplayer most certainly is, at least on the PC.
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You pick the weapons each class uses. You pick its attachment. You pick its camo. You pick your secondary explosives. You pick your two purchase slots. You pick your various abilities. You name the class.
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So its a class system as far as CoD goes. I'm not being critical of Homefront but I just hate it when developers say that there's a class system and it really isn't.
Growing up with Diablo 1 and 2 I saw a class as a specific set of skills and weapons that you could choose to suit your playstyle for the class. CoD doesn't have a class system because you aren't really limited by class but by weapon. A sniper class has a sniper rifle, but having a sniper rifle doesn't necessarily mean you're a sniper class.
No, battlefailed has sort of classes, you can still basically equip the exact same things on every single class if you wanted to, it just has very minor limitations to secondary skills (which most players don't use anyway).
But yes, TF2 is the prime example of a team-based multiplayer FPS game.
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Engineers are the only class in TF2 that has shotguns as their primary. And even then ,the Engineer's real primary weapon is their sentry gun, though the shotgun is hardly useless it pales in comparison. The heavy has it for a secondary weapon which most people don't use (in lieu of the sandvich) and the soldier has it as a secondary weapon to balance out his rocket launcher. The pyro has it as a secondary weapon, and the pyro is also just about the only class that uses its shotgun regularly (to finish off enemies set on fire or to deal with other pyros, whom take less damage from fire). The scout doesn't have a shotgun proper, but a unique variation of it. And even then, except for the engineer's shotgun as his primary, they're still just secondary weapons though, similar to how both the scout and engineer have pistols, to serve as medium to long ranged backup weapons.
So no... it's not that comparable to me.
Also, in the latest iteration of the BF series, the only weapon type which isn't available to every class is the LMG. Every class can equip an assault rifle, a shotgun, a sniper rifle (or SDM rifle more appropriately), and so on. And these are primary weapons-- everyone has the exact same secondary weapon choices.
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Those are the classes I'm used to, the old BF2 classes which are similar to the TF2 classes.
BFBC2 had different weapons for each class IIRC, but like I said I've never seen a person using a weapon outside of their class.
Just because they name it the 'Force of Nature' doesn't mean it isn't a shotgun. Its a sawn off shotgun, which is a type of shotgun. The only weapons that vary greatly depend on the class; Demoman=Grenade Launcher, Soldier=Rocket, Sniper=Sniper Rifle, Engineer= Shotgun, Spy=Spy kit, Heavy=Machine Gun, Medic= Needlegun, Pyro=Flamethrower, Scout= Sawn off shotgun.
Most of the classes have no special way of helping out. The spy can sneak up on people, engineers can create portals and such, and medics can heal people. Otherwise the other classes are plain guys using a different gun to kill people.
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In BFBC2, all classes have access to a sniper rifle (M14), an assault rifle (G3), an SMG (Thompson) and a variety of shotguns. All secondary weapons are the exact same options of pistols. As I said, only LMGs are not available to every class.
And that's definitely false about TF2.
The Heavy doesn't need an item, he has his own size and durability to benefit the team, oftentimes literally being a wall to hide behind for medics. He can also toss sandviches out for team members that need healing too.
The soldier has the option of the buff banner and variations, as well as providing long ranged fire support for the team and vertical mobility that even the scout can't match.
The demoman supports the team through his ability to destroy around corners, or to lay traps for defensive purposes.
The pyro can douse fires on friends and knock ubers around with his(her?) airblast, or just knock enemies off of points or into environmental hazards.
The scout has quite a few options for play, such as the drink that lets him distract sentry guns and take no damage from them (he dodges everything), or the baseball bat which can stun enemies from a distance.
And the sniper has the option to take the Jarate or sidney sleeper to cause allies to deal extra damage to the targeted enemy.
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Yeah, so you're saying that they have limitations on class specific skills?
Also, if the gun itself was part of the DLC and extra content for buying the Limited or Ultimate Editions it really doesn't count as an actual class weapon. Its like how any class in TF2 can wear any hat.
halonachos wrote:Its like how any class in TF2 can wear any hat.
No, it is not.
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Yeah it is. Hats are special pieces of digital fashion that you can equip to any class. The Thompson and M1 were available to those who bought the Limited Edition when the game first came out, the edition I bought, and people also got it for the Ultimate Edition. Not really class specific weapons, but total e-peen enhancers.
halonachos wrote:Yeah it is. Hats are special pieces of digital fashion that you can equip to any class. The Thompson and M1 were available to those who bought the Limited Edition when the game first came out, the edition I bought, and people also got it for the Ultimate Edition. Not really class specific weapons, but total e-peen enhancers.
Actually, most hats are class specific. Only the promotional ones tend to be available for all classes.
They also(except for the ones purchasable from Steam as a 'set') don't really give any bonuses or any in-game benefits.
The Thompson and M1, however, do give in-game benefits.
