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Dont know if it's been mentioned, but Daemon Princes. They lack Daemon Armor (so a Terminator lord has better armor than the chosen of the gods?) and are one of the MCs with the lowest toughness. Even SM characters (who are still mortal) have higher toughness rating. How does that work? Sure Mephiston survived being buried under rubble for Sanguinus knows how long, but Daemon Princes have fought many wars and existed for milleniums, they could at least be on par with Mephiston and Cassius.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Dont know if it's been mentioned, but Daemon Princes. They lack Daemon Armor (so a Terminator lord has better armor than the chosen of the gods?) and are one of the MCs with the lowest toughness. Even SM characters (who are still mortal) have higher toughness rating. How does that work? Sure Mephiston survived being buried under rubble for Sanguinus knows how long, but Daemon Princes have fought many wars and existed for milleniums, they could at least be on par with Mephiston and Cassius.

I think the dumber thing is that Daemon Princes are so cheap compared to Chaos Lords for such a massive boost in stats.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Imagine if GW sold a single frame that had:

4 Missile Launchers
4 Lascannons
4 Heavy Bolters
4 Multi-Meltas
4 Plasma Cannons
4 Plasma Guns
4 Meltaguns
4 Flamers
4 Combi-Plasmas
4 Combi-Meltas
4 Combi-Flamers
2 pairs of Power Armour Lightning Claws.


2 Power Armour Thunder Hammers.
2 Power Armour Storm Shields
2 Power Fists
2 Power Weapons
2 Plasma Pistols
10 Beakie Heads

Do you think this sprue would sit in their warehouse gathering dust?

I hate to admit it, but yes, I think that a box set like this would sell really well. Every Imperial player would buy it. And since Imperial-based armies are the most popular (arguably)......yeah.

Do I think GW would? Naww, I doubt it. That would make too much sense for them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Imagine if GW sold a single frame that had:

4 Missile Launchers
4 Lascannons
4 Heavy Bolters
4 Multi-Meltas
4 Plasma Cannons
4 Plasma Guns
4 Meltaguns
4 Flamers
4 Combi-Plasmas
4 Combi-Meltas
4 Combi-Flamers
2 pairs of Power Armour Lightning Claws.
2 Power Armour Thunder Hammers.
2 Power Armour Storm Shields
2 Power Fists
2 Power Weapons
2 Plasma Pistols
10 Beakie Heads

Do you think this sprue would sit in their warehouse gathering dust?

If they made that sprue we would have a thread on here where guys are complaining because there are only 2 pairs of Power Armor Lightning Claws and 2 pairs of Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields. Why was GW so stupid!?!?!?!?!

That means that to be able to field either a squad of Tactical Terminators or Assault Terminators I either have to buy both boxes, or buy the tactical Terminator box and two of those stupid sprues to have enough arms to magnetize.

I hate it when a company forces me to buy their products.....

I think you're missing the point completely.

Brother SRM wrote:
This has nothing to do with GW stupidity, this is just people whining that there aren't 4 rocket launchers in every box. Quit your bitching, buy some Imperial Guard rocket launchers for next to nothing, and never worry about this again.

I haven't heard a single person advocate this position except people making your side of the argument.

As I said above, the demand for rocket launchers is partly based on the rules and partly a trend in what opponents and units are the most common. (which is also based on the rules, but does sort of change year by year as things go in and out of fashion)

So if GW released a sprue as suggested above, which would of course be very expensive (it wouldn't profit them otherwise) people would be moaning about having to buy a really expensive bunch of upgrades when they only wanted 12 missile launchers. I guarantee you, whatever weapons are included with whatever box, there will eventually be people online complaining, either that x parts are not included, or that the total cost is too high because y parts are included.

It's a complex game in that sense, all models have lots of options. The solution is to swap bits, convert etc, as has been done since time immemorial. I admit, if you're a very competitive marine player surrounded by others of a like ilk, you may be experiencing a burning, unsolveable drought of missile launchers. That sort of thing could alleviated by better rules writing. But if you are a competitive 40k player, you're spending a fair amount already to build a stripped-down list. You can't buy a couple missile launchers from somewhere?

The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

Yes, and my point is that if they did such a large weapon sprue, people still wouldn't buy the whole expensive thing to get a couple parts they want. They would trade, or go shares with one or more friends. Despite some weird holes in their thinking (eg playtesting) GW have a pretty good eye for the main chance. I doubt they could make much more money than they do now by changing up the way weapons are apportioned.

Cortez667 wrote:
I hate to admit it, but yes, I think that a box set like this would sell really well. Every Imperial player would buy it. And since Imperial-based armies are the most popular (arguably)......yeah.

Do I think GW would? Naww, I doubt it. That would make too much sense for them.

It would likely sell well for a few months, until everyone had bought all they'd likely need for years to come.

So yeah. It makes sense for GW's customers, not GW itself.

Regarding missile launchers...

old Bic pens + modelling putty + cardboard/plasticard = problem solved

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

GW could make $5 on a weapon sprue, or they could make $20 by making you buy a 2nd box of Dev's (profit margins purely hypothetical and for illustration purposes only).

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

Yes, and my point is that if they did such a large weapon sprue, people still wouldn't buy the whole expensive thing to get a couple parts they want. They would trade, or go shares with one or more friends. Despite some weird holes in their thinking (eg playtesting) GW have a pretty good eye for the main chance. I doubt they could make much more money than they do now by changing up the way weapons are apportioned.

I dont think that GW would release a sprue as above, but it could be profitable for them to sell say 4 heavy weapons or even jsut 2 in a blister. It doesent even matter if they are metal models people will buy them

d-usa wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

GW could make $5 on a weapon sprue, or they could make $20 by making you buy a 2nd box of Dev's (profit margins purely hypothetical and for illustration purposes only).

But say for missile launchers people arnt buying 4 boxes of devestators to equip one unit and even if they did they would sell off the other bits (or make multi-melta squad, plasma squad, etc).

Most people are converting Missile launchers or buying from freinds, where as if GW made a blister pack for each heavy weapon then they could charge more. (and id expect something like $8 for 2 metal or 4 plastic)

The missile launcher issue is kinda stupid. GW really should produce something to easily make a Dev squad with all missile launchers.

They sell individual SM models with just about every heavy weapon except a ML, and they sell packs of Melta Guns and Plasma Guns.

But, that being said, at least the model is available, even if you have to buy multiples of packs to get them all.

Gibbsey wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

Yes, and my point is that if they did such a large weapon sprue, people still wouldn't buy the whole expensive thing to get a couple parts they want. They would trade, or go shares with one or more friends. Despite some weird holes in their thinking (eg playtesting) GW have a pretty good eye for the main chance. I doubt they could make much more money than they do now by changing up the way weapons are apportioned.

I dont think that GW would release a sprue as above, but it could be profitable for them to sell say 4 heavy weapons or even jsut 2 in a blister. It doesn't even matter if they are metal models people will buy them

I highly doubt that. There's a reason the metal/plastic Devastator hybrid kits are still able to be sold.
And I'll give you a hint:
It's not because they were flying off the shelves to begin with.

d-usa wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

GW could make $5 on a weapon sprue, or they could make $20 by making you buy a 2nd box of Dev's (profit margins purely hypothetical and for illustration purposes only).

But say for missile launchers people aren't buying 4 boxes of devestators to equip one unit and even if they did they would sell off the other bits (or make multi-melta squad, plasma squad, etc).

Which is still profit for GW. You bought the Devastator box or Tactical box from them enough times just to get those 4 MLs. There's no real feasible way that you're going to break even.

Most people are converting Missile launchers or buying from friends, where as if GW made a blister pack for each heavy weapon then they could charge more. (and id expect something like $8 for 2 metal or 4 plastic)

See above. There's a reason they put in crummy weapon options with good ones. People who don't like waiting on bits services to stock the bits they have(or who don't like having to pay through the nose for one particular weapon) will buy those boxes just to get the good option.

Think of it like the ever-popular "Why do hot dogs come in packs of 10 and hot dog buns in packs of 8?" quandry.

Saying if you want a 4ML dev team you need to buy 4 Devastator boxes is slowed. Thats like 120 dollars for a single squad.

The most feasable way to make a 4 ML Dev team is to buy one Dev box, use like 25% of the kit, then go on a hunt for second hand missiles from friends or Ebay or convert them. This is a hassle to make such a small unit.

Missile Launchers are the most versitile and sought after weapon of 5th edition. All they need to do is at the very least release a metal missile launcher blister pack, and they will do two things:

-Make Money

-Make GW customers happy

Saying "theres only 1 ML in the dev box, deal with it" doesn't work. GW needs to make their customers happy if they want to continue making money.

Hint: GW doesn't care if you're happy. You're an addict, you'll be back.

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

Yes, and my point is that if they did such a large weapon sprue, people still wouldn't buy the whole expensive thing to get a couple parts they want. They would trade, or go shares with one or more friends. Despite some weird holes in their thinking (eg playtesting) GW have a pretty good eye for the main chance. I doubt they could make much more money than they do now by changing up the way weapons are apportioned.

I dont think that GW would release a sprue as above, but it could be profitable for them to sell say 4 heavy weapons or even jsut 2 in a blister. It doesn't even matter if they are metal models people will buy them

I highly doubt that. There's a reason the metal/plastic Devastator hybrid kits are still able to be sold.
And I'll give you a hint:
It's not because they were flying off the shelves to begin with.

Yes but im not saying to include it in the devestator box, im saying to have a blister pack like meltaguns and plasmaguns.

Kanluwen wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

GW could make $5 on a weapon sprue, or they could make $20 by making you buy a 2nd box of Dev's (profit margins purely hypothetical and for illustration purposes only).

But say for missile launchers people aren't buying 4 boxes of devestators to equip one unit and even if they did they would sell off the other bits (or make multi-melta squad, plasma squad, etc).

Which is still profit for GW. You bought the Devastator box or Tactical box from them enough times just to get those 4 MLs. There's no real feasible way that you're going to break even.

Im very interested how not buying new boxes from GW is somehow profit for them, people arnt going to buy a tactical squad or devestator squad just for a missile launcher, sure if they have on lying around they will use it. But if not they will just buy off of ebay or a freind who doesent use them. Now people buying blister packs instead of getting the stuff fro mfreinds or ebay will make them profit

Kanluwen wrote:

Most people are converting Missile launchers or buying from friends, where as if GW made a blister pack for each heavy weapon then they could charge more. (and id expect something like $8 for 2 metal or 4 plastic)

See above. There's a reason they put in crummy weapon options with good ones. People who don't like waiting on bits services to stock the bits they have(or who don't like having to pay through the nose for one particular weapon) will buy those boxes just to get the good option.

Think of it like the ever-popular "Why do hot dogs come in packs of 10 and hot dog buns in packs of 8?" quandry.

Except that it would be you get 5 buns and 1 hot dog in a package... so you go and buy the remaining hotdogs from your freinds...

Where as say if they made heavy weapon blister packs it would by why do they sell a pack of 5 hot dog buns and a hot dot and a pack of 2/4 hot dogs...

yeah the hot dog analogy doesent reallly make sense in this instance...

streamdragon wrote:Hint: GW doesn't care if you're happy. You're an addict, you'll be back.

By that logic GW should just start releasing cardboard cutout minis, and make the codexes into coloring books, because hey, they have our business already they can't leave!

Have you seen some of the older boxes? Be glad AoBR game with a dread and real deff koptas. We used to get cardboard tokens on a plastic stand.

streamdragon wrote:Have you seen some of the older boxes? Be glad AoBR game with a dread and real deff koptas. We used to get cardboard tokens on a plastic stand.

You act like its some god given right that we have Games Workshops services, and its not. They are a business and we are the consumer, and it is their job to serve the customer and make us happy, so they can continue to make money.

There are hundreds of other tabletop games out there, and if Games Workshop had the mentality "The products we make are fine as-is, be happy you have them" then slowly they are going to lose 1 customer, then 10, then pretty soon they are losing everyone to another company who went that extra mile to make a quality and affordable product. In a competitive market, they are doing, and will continue to do everything to make you the consumer happy to stay on top.

I am sure it did not cost 500 dollars to make a full army of cardboard tokens either.

Gibbsey wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

Yes, and my point is that if they did such a large weapon sprue, people still wouldn't buy the whole expensive thing to get a couple parts they want. They would trade, or go shares with one or more friends. Despite some weird holes in their thinking (eg playtesting) GW have a pretty good eye for the main chance. I doubt they could make much more money than they do now by changing up the way weapons are apportioned.

I dont think that GW would release a sprue as above, but it could be profitable for them to sell say 4 heavy weapons or even jsut 2 in a blister. It doesn't even matter if they are metal models people will buy them

I highly doubt that. There's a reason the metal/plastic Devastator hybrid kits are still able to be sold.
And I'll give you a hint:
It's not because they were flying off the shelves to begin with.

Yes but I'm not saying to include it in the devastator box, I'm saying to have a blister pack like meltaguns and plasmaguns.

Which isn't really feasible with the heavy weapons. The whole reason they moved away from the hybrid metal/plastic kits was an issue of bits and blister packs.

Kanluwen wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:The point is tho that GW could make alot of money just selling extra weapon sprues, GW is a company they dont want you to buy GW parts that are unused from a freind they want you to buy new parts so they earn more money

GW could make $5 on a weapon sprue, or they could make $20 by making you buy a 2nd box of Dev's (profit margins purely hypothetical and for illustration purposes only).

But say for missile launchers people aren't buying 4 boxes of devestators to equip one unit and even if they did they would sell off the other bits (or make multi-melta squad, plasma squad, etc).

Which is still profit for GW. You bought the Devastator box or Tactical box from them enough times just to get those 4 MLs. There's no real feasible way that you're going to break even.

I'm very interested how not buying new boxes from GW is somehow profit for them, people aren't going to buy a tactical squad or devastator squad just for a missile launcher, sure if they have on lying around they will use it. But if not they will just buy off of ebay or a friend who doesn't use them. Now people buying blister packs instead of getting the stuff from friends or ebay will make them profit

Where do you think those MLs are coming from that you're trading for/buying second hand? Unless you're buying from recasters...

They've already made that profit. They sold the box that was broken up to be sold as bits at a greatly inflated cost to begin with, and you had to still buy a Tactical/Devastator/Combat/whatever Squad that you're using for the bodies to make those 4 ML Devastators.

Kanluwen wrote:

Most people are converting Missile launchers or buying from friends, where as if GW made a blister pack for each heavy weapon then they could charge more. (and id expect something like $8 for 2 metal or 4 plastic)

See above. There's a reason they put in crummy weapon options with good ones. People who don't like waiting on bits services to stock the bits they have(or who don't like having to pay through the nose for one particular weapon) will buy those boxes just to get the good option.

Think of it like the ever-popular "Why do hot dogs come in packs of 10 and hot dog buns in packs of 8?" quandry.

Except that it would be you get 5 buns and 1 hot dog in a package... so you go and buy the remaining hot dogs from your friends...

Where as say if they made heavy weapon blister packs it would by why do they sell a pack of 5 hot dog buns and a hot dot and a pack of 2/4 hot dogs...

yeah the hot dog analogy doesn't really make sense in this instance...

streamdragon wrote:Have you seen some of the older boxes? Be glad AoBR game with a dread and real deff koptas. We used to get cardboard tokens on a plastic stand.

1 edition of the game came with a cardboard cutout (the Ork Dreadnought in 2nd edition). And that was along with 20 Space Marines, 20 Ork Boyz, and 40 Gretchin... so wasn't really that bad a deal.


Meanwhile, how about we all dial down the hostility a tad? We're talking about toy soldiers here.

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:
Yes but I'm not saying to include it in the devastator box, I'm saying to have a blister pack like meltaguns and plasmaguns.

Which isn't really feasible with the heavy weapons. The whole reason they moved away from the hybrid metal/plastic kits was an issue of bits and blister packs.

So why then do they still sell Meltagun and plasmagun blisters? oh right Because people buy them

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:
I'm very interested how not buying new boxes from GW is somehow profit for them, people aren't going to buy a tactical squad or devastator squad just for a missile launcher, sure if they have on lying around they will use it. But if not they will just buy off of ebay or a friend who doesn't use them. Now people buying blister packs instead of getting the stuff from friends or ebay will make them profit

Where do you think those MLs are coming from that you're trading for/buying second hand? Unless you're buying from recasters...

They've already made that profit. They sold the box that was broken up to be sold as bits at a greatly inflated cost to begin with, and you had to still buy a Tactical/Devastator/Combat/whatever Squad that you're using for the bodies to make those 4 ML Devastators.

Where are they coming from? people's spare bits. I think this is you missing the point that that GW does not profit from you buying spare unused parts from a freind or ebay. Do you really think that bitz stores make more profit for GW? Gw does not care how efficient bitz use is they care about boxes sold and the profit those boxes bring in now If GW made a missile launcher blister pack that would be less people buying spare bitz from freinds and websites and more profit for GW nevermind the fact that this would also be more convenient for customers.

Kanluwen wrote:You really fail at understanding the logic behind that analogy.

It's a question of a break-even point. At what point is the consumer base not going to need to buy your product anymore, as they already have sufficient quantities of your supply to meet their demand.

No im just pointing out how rediculous your analogy was

Kanluwen wrote:
It's a question of a break-even point. At what point is the consumer base not going to need to buy your product anymore, as they already have sufficient quantities of your supply to meet their demand.

Plus, you failed to realize that it was more "if they sold just the individual weapons that are the most sought after, they can't move the others".
Do you really think that if they sold a Missile Launcher Devastator Box that any Plasma Cannon/Multi-Melta/Lascannon Devastator individual boxes that they also made would sell?

No, when have i ever recommended a "missile devestator box" i've recommended a suppliment to the current devestator box that is a blister pack of missile launchers, which is not necissarily for just devestators

Gibbsey wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:
Yes but I'm not saying to include it in the devastator box, I'm saying to have a blister pack like meltaguns and plasmaguns.

Which isn't really feasible with the heavy weapons. The whole reason they moved away from the hybrid metal/plastic kits was an issue of bits and blister packs.

So why then do they still sell Meltagun and plasmagun blisters? oh right Because people buy them

They sell the blisters of meltaguns/plasma guns because it's an easy sale(across 5-6 different armies) and it just consists of a single piece to be cast.
The Missile Launcher isn't considered such, at least not for the Devastator kit. It comes with the missile backpack+loading arm in addition to the two piece ML(cover and then ML/arm) and the opposite arm that is used to 'brace' the ML.

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:
I'm very interested how not buying new boxes from GW is somehow profit for them, people aren't going to buy a tactical squad or devastator squad just for a missile launcher, sure if they have on lying around they will use it. But if not they will just buy off of ebay or a friend who doesn't use them. Now people buying blister packs instead of getting the stuff from friends or ebay will make them profit

Where do you think those MLs are coming from that you're trading for/buying second hand? Unless you're buying from recasters...

They've already made that profit. They sold the box that was broken up to be sold as bits at a greatly inflated cost to begin with, and you had to still buy a Tactical/Devastator/Combat/whatever Squad that you're using for the bodies to make those 4 ML Devastators.

Where are they coming from? people's spare bits. I think this is you missing the point that that GW does not profit from you buying spare unused parts from a freind or ebay. Do you really think that bitz stores make more profit for GW? Gw does not care how efficient bitz use is they care about boxes sold and the profit those boxes bring in now If GW made a missile launcher blister pack that would be less people buying spare bitz from friends and websites and more profit for GW never mind the fact that this would also be more convenient for customers.

You really don't seem to understand how this works.

Bitz stores actually have to buy those boxes at some point. Your friends who have those "spare bitz" that you're buying from?
They had to have bought those boxes at some point in order for your friend to have those bits to sell.

GW has made their money from that particular box set.

Kanluwen wrote:You really fail at understanding the logic behind that analogy.

It's a question of a break-even point. At what point is the consumer base not going to need to buy your product anymore, as they already have sufficient quantities of your supply to meet their demand.

No I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your analogy was

Not my fault you didn't understand it. It's a pretty commonly used economic analogy/mathematic equation. I.E.: If X is the number of hot dogs you have at a party(say, 64) and Y is the number of hot dog buns you have at a party(40) then how many more packages of buns/hot dogs do you need to avoid having bunless hot dogs or hot dogless buns.

Kanluwen wrote:
It's a question of a break-even point. At what point is the consumer base not going to need to buy your product anymore, as they already have sufficient quantities of your supply to meet their demand.

Plus, you failed to realize that it was more "if they sold just the individual weapons that are the most sought after, they can't move the others".
Do you really think that if they sold a Missile Launcher Devastator Box that any Plasma Cannon/Multi-Melta/Lascannon Devastator individual boxes that they also made would sell?

No, when have i ever recommended a "missile devastator box" I've recommended a supplement to the current devastator box that is a blister pack of missile launchers, which is not necessarily for just devastators

I didn't say you did. I used it as an example. Once the market for Missile Launchers is filled, then everything associated with the Missile Launchers stagnates until a new edition and when they push another weapon as the best.

It's why the IG command squad meltagun bit is absurdly expensive compared to the command squad heavy flamer bit.

Don't believe me? Look here: http://www.thewarstore.com/cadiancmd.html
Oh, and just remember: that doesn't include the opposite 'bracing' arm or even a body. That's $8.99 for just the meltagun.

Just to chime in on the bitz stores front: they are just facilitating the practice (which was already universal) of sharing/selling unused odds and ends between players. I'm sure it would be better for GW overall if none existed, but people would still find some way of sharing parts about.

And as far as GW making profit for them goes: If you and a mate buy 2 devestator boxes, and you make a plasmacannon squad and he makes a lascannon squad (or whatever), then that is cutting into GW's profits. But what everyone is complaining about is that "everyone wants missile launchers". And if everyone wants the same piece, to get that weapon, you must buy the box. So this kind of demand for one particular weapon, combined with the way GW is selling, is terrific for them! They've sold a load of missile launchers, while at the same time selling a proportionate amount of other weapons which (apparently) no-one wants in the same amount.

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:
Yes but I'm not saying to include it in the devastator box, I'm saying to have a blister pack like meltaguns and plasmaguns.

Which isn't really feasible with the heavy weapons. The whole reason they moved away from the hybrid metal/plastic kits was an issue of bits and blister packs.

So why then do they still sell Meltagun and plasmagun blisters? oh right Because people buy them

They sell the blisters of meltaguns/plasma guns because it's an easy sale(across 5-6 different armies) and it just consists of a single piece to be cast.
The Missile Launcher isn't considered such, at least not for the Devastator kit. It comes with the missile backpack+loading arm in addition to the two piece ML(cover and then ML/arm) and the opposite arm that is used to 'brace' the ML.

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:
I'm very interested how not buying new boxes from GW is somehow profit for them, people aren't going to buy a tactical squad or devastator squad just for a missile launcher, sure if they have on lying around they will use it. But if not they will just buy off of ebay or a friend who doesn't use them. Now people buying blister packs instead of getting the stuff from friends or ebay will make them profit

Where do you think those MLs are coming from that you're trading for/buying second hand? Unless you're buying from recasters...

They've already made that profit. They sold the box that was broken up to be sold as bits at a greatly inflated cost to begin with, and you had to still buy a Tactical/Devastator/Combat/whatever Squad that you're using for the bodies to make those 4 ML Devastators.

Where are they coming from? people's spare bits. I think this is you missing the point that that GW does not profit from you buying spare unused parts from a freind or ebay. Do you really think that bitz stores make more profit for GW? Gw does not care how efficient bitz use is they care about boxes sold and the profit those boxes bring in now If GW made a missile launcher blister pack that would be less people buying spare bitz from friends and websites and more profit for GW never mind the fact that this would also be more convenient for customers.

You really don't seem to understand how this works.

Bitz stores actually have to buy those boxes at some point. Your friends who have those "spare bitz" that you're buying from?
They had to have bought those boxes at some point in order for your friend to have those bits to sell.

GW has made their money from that particular box set.

Kanluwen wrote:You really fail at understanding the logic behind that analogy.

It's a question of a break-even point. At what point is the consumer base not going to need to buy your product anymore, as they already have sufficient quantities of your supply to meet their demand.

No I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your analogy was

Not my fault you didn't understand it. It's a pretty commonly used economic analogy/mathematic equation. I.E.: If X is the number of hot dogs you have at a party(say, 64) and Y is the number of hot dog buns you have at a party(40) then how many more packages of buns/hot dogs do you need to avoid having bunless hot dogs or hot dogless buns.

Kanluwen wrote:
It's a question of a break-even point. At what point is the consumer base not going to need to buy your product anymore, as they already have sufficient quantities of your supply to meet their demand.

Plus, you failed to realize that it was more "if they sold just the individual weapons that are the most sought after, they can't move the others".
Do you really think that if they sold a Missile Launcher Devastator Box that any Plasma Cannon/Multi-Melta/Lascannon Devastator individual boxes that they also made would sell?

No, when have i ever recommended a "missile devastator box" I've recommended a supplement to the current devastator box that is a blister pack of missile launchers, which is not necessarily for just devastators

I didn't say you did. I used it as an example. Once the market for Missile Launchers is filled, then everything associated with the Missile Launchers stagnates until a new edition and when they push another weapon as the best.

It's why the IG command squad meltagun bit is absurdly expensive compared to the command squad heavy flamer bit.

Don't believe me? Look here: http://www.thewarstore.com/cadiancmd.html
Oh, and just remember: that doesn't include the opposite 'bracing' arm or even a body. That's $8.99 for just the meltagun.

*sigh*

1. Yes meltaguns and plasmaguns are an easy sale across multiple armies, why not ML? (as far as im concerned it could just be launcher+ arm and other arm)

2. How is a store selling all of the bits from a box more profit for GW than someone buying a box and a blister pack? or more profit than buying an unused part from a freind? Yes they have sold boxes to the bits company but the bits company is selling less boxes than would of been bought otherwise.

3. Hot dog analogy is based on company selling A: hotdogs B buns Gw is selling 5A + 1B + C, people arnt going to buy 4x that they are going to by "B" from people who are not using it and only using "C" understand? Hot dog analogy would actually better fit if GW sold a ML Blister pack for example Devestatorbox + 2 missile launcher blister, you would have to buy a dev box and 2 missile launcher blisters to make a ml squad

4. "Do you really think that if they sold a Missile Launcher Devastator Box that any Plasma Cannon/Multi-Melta/Lascannon Devastator individual boxes that they also made would sell?" Nope no misrepresentation of what i said there...

5. If the market is filled GW is still being "stupid" for missing out on that much easy profit, which i think is the entire point of the whole ML issue

Kanluwen wrote:You really don't seem to understand how this works.

Bitz stores actually have to buy those boxes at some point. Your friends who have those "spare bitz" that you're buying from?
They had to have bought those boxes at some point in order for your friend to have those bits to sell.

GW has made their money from that particular box set.

Here is an example. A guy wants to make a Salamanders army. He buys 3 Tactical squad boxes, along with 3 multi-melta bits off the GW website. He now has 3 Tactical squads with MMs and flamers.

Another player wants to make a 4x ML Dev squad, so he buys a Devastator box, upset that there is only ONE missile. He posts an ad on kijiji looking for 3 more missile launchers. The Salamander player sees this ad, and sells him his 3 spare Missile launchers for 15 dollars.

No extra profit gained on GWs part on this exchange of goods. GW needs to start selling missile blisters to make a profit on it.

MLs be damned...this thread is about GWs stupidity not GW being stupid because you have to buy extra box sets to make the squads the way YOU want...

GW as a corporate entity WANTS you to buy the extra boxes...

The stupidity of the business plan they follow is what is the real issue...

They have gak for brains when it comes to actually listening to their customer base who supports their money making scheme as opposed to their investors who are screaming "Make me money"...

Their business plan is, for all intents and purposes, very short sighted IMO and until they realize that we are the ones supporting them and not the investors, then they will lose profits, as they have been doing and ultimately kill that which we have come to love over the past 25 years

Yeah, fine, we get that you guys disagree as to how much profit GW makes from the Bitz trade.

I was going to say that with that understanding reached we can all get back to the actual topic... but on review, the actual topic seems to just be people listing things that they don't fully understand the reasoning behind as examples of GW being stupid, which seems somewhat pointless.

So how about we all just accept that some of the things GW does don't make a lot of sense without having the whole picture, and try to get on with our lives regardless as best we can?