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My only real complaints are the continues lack of support for Epic, and their habit of having really good units, but with no model to go with them

Specialist games...


I'll just leave that there

scubasteve04 wrote:Here are some examples I can think of GW stupidity for the SM alone:

Scout Bikers Shotguns: Besides looking cool, there is absolutely zero reason to every fire a an AP - shotgun over a relentless AP 5 TL- Bolter, so why the hell is it there?

Because previous models included the shotgun as well and so this headed off the problem of players finding themselves with models equipped with no longer allowed weapons.

So... wow, none of your 'stupid' examples were actually stupid. Nice job.

Bookwrack wrote:

scubasteve04 wrote:Here are some examples I can think of GW stupidity for the SM alone:

Scout Bikers Shotguns: Besides looking cool, there is absolutely zero reason to every fire a an AP - shotgun over a relentless AP 5 TL- Bolter, so why the hell is it there?

Because previous models included the shotgun as well and so this headed off the problem of players finding themselves with models equipped with no longer allowed weapons.

So... wow, none of your 'stupid' examples were actually stupid. Nice job.

They can add rules to make the wargear not pointless, like being able to fire the bikes bolter plus a carried weapon (with proper points adjustment of course).

So your one of those people who thinks Ironclad chainfists are cool, or buying a 40 dollar kit then having to drop another 40 dollars on ebay to be able to actually build a legitimate devastator squad is cool too?

scubasteve04 wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:

scubasteve04 wrote:Here are some examples I can think of GW stupidity for the SM alone:

Scout Bikers Shotguns: Besides looking cool, there is absolutely zero reason to every fire a an AP - shotgun over a relentless AP 5 TL- Bolter, so why the hell is it there?

Because previous models included the shotgun as well and so this headed off the problem of players finding themselves with models equipped with no longer allowed weapons.

So... wow, none of your 'stupid' examples were actually stupid. Nice job.

They can add rules to make the wargear not pointless, like being able to fire the bikes bolter plus a carried weapon (with proper points adjustment of course).

So your one of those people who thinks Ironclad chainfists are cool, or buying a 40 dollar kit then having to drop another 40 dollars on ebay to be able to actually build a legitimate devastator squad is cool too?

Making the kits take time and money.

scubasteve04 wrote:They can add rules to make the wargear not pointless, like being able to fire the bikes bolter plus a carried weapon (with proper points adjustment of course).

So your one of those people who thinks Ironclad chainfists are cool, or buying a 40 dollar kit then having to drop another 40 dollars on ebay to be able to actually build a legitimate devastator squad is cool too?

It's a siege dreadnought, so having a +2d6 power fist is in character, even if it's not balls to the wall best choice EVARZ! which seems the sole determining factor for what you call, 'stupid.'

As for Devastators, what alternative would you suggest for getting all the weapon options in one box?

Bookwrack wrote:

scubasteve04 wrote:They can add rules to make the wargear not pointless, like being able to fire the bikes bolter plus a carried weapon (with proper points adjustment of course).

So your one of those people who thinks Ironclad chainfists are cool, or buying a 40 dollar kit then having to drop another 40 dollars on ebay to be able to actually build a legitimate devastator squad is cool too?

It's a siege dreadnought, so having a +2d6 power fist is in character, even if it's not balls to the wall best choice EVARZ! which seems the sole determining factor for what you call, 'stupid.'

As for Devastators, what alternative would you suggest for getting all the weapon options in one box?

When GW starts releasing stuff with AV 18-20, then I will consider the chainfist usefull


Devistators should be split up into at least 2, if not more kits with multiples of the same heavy weapon. I know it may be a crazy Idea for GW to implement, but I find it stupid when I can build a coherent 10 man Tactical squad (kudos for them at least getting that right) but when I want to build a 4x ML devistator squad, I only get a single missile out of the kit and have to hunt for the rest on ebay. Now I have basicly 2 full sprues of heavy weapons I have no use for. Such a waste.

It also encourages new players to build slowed devistator squads. I hate seeing a newbie with a Dev squad with 2x Lascannon, 1x Plasma Cannon, 1x Missile or something useless like that. Stupidity promoting more stupidity.

The land speeder storm not being a ded trans for scouts? IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!

not making models for half the nid codex is an annoyance.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Specialist games...


I'll just leave that there

Hey, some of the company's better game design is represented there. What's dumb is that they aren't promoting them anymore.

On topic: cutting The Lost and The Damned, and the other minor armies that blended their model ranges.

I know I'm asking a lot here, but how about you stop and think for a second?

If only there were other people who also played this game, who, like you, might have models they have no intention of using but might, perhaps, be willing to exchange them, to, dare I say it, trade their unused models for yours?

Ah, who am I kidding? Even if there were other people out there with unused models besides you (which I doubt) it's not like there's anyway they could communicate with each other, no gathering place, no 'messaging board,' if you will, where such a thing could be set up.

Bookwrack wrote:I know I'm asking a lot here, but how about you stop and think for a second?

If only there were other people who also played this game, who, like you, might have models they have no intention of using but might, perhaps, be willing to exchange them, to, dare I say it, trade their unused models for yours?

Ah, who am I kidding? Even if there were other people out there with unused models besides you (which I doubt) it's not like there's anyway they could communicate with each other, no gathering place, no 'messaging board,' if you will, where such a thing could be set up.

I plan on selling them, but its a huge hassle and I probably won't get what I played for them unless I sell every little piece individually (F that)

Lictors. At least the Fex was just nerfed. Lictors have zero purpose other than setting up a tunnel for DS troops to come in and then die. The trygon can do the same, minus the dying part.

Exopheric wrote:

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Specialist games...


I'll just leave that there

Hey, some of the company's better game design is represented there. What's dumb is that they aren't promoting them anymore.

precisely what I meant

by Bookwrack

If only there were other people who also played this game, who, like you, might have models they have no intention of using but might, perhaps, be willing to exchange them, to, dare I say it, trade their unused models for yours?

Ah, who am I kidding? Even if there were other people out there with unused models besides you (which I doubt) it's not like there's anyway they could communicate with each other, no gathering place, no 'messaging board,' if you will, where such a thing could be set up.

I grant thee an internet good sir

GW could follow the style for the IG HWS kit, I created 3 lascannon teams, 3 mortars and 3 ML teams. Definitely worth it, I just needed the bases and the extra models! But yeah

I know there is all this talk of Devastator kits, but the idea is you could buy 2 (expensive, but bear with me), and this gives you enough weapons for 2 fully tailored squads of awesomeness. Its not a bad kit though, you get lots of spare weapons, but I can see how that could be annoying for an SM player on a budget.

scubasteve04 wrote:
I plan on selling them, but its a huge hassle and I probably won't get what I played for them unless I sell every little piece individually (F that)

And risk regretting that on the next edition, when WAAC lists feature MM, HB or PCs, so you will face the exact same problem?

The box is good value for money. It can't cover all options or it would risk becoming the price of a battleforce.

EDIT: The ork killa kans box is a problem, as IMHO is the Burna/Loota box. The old CSM box (8 marines, Heavy Bolter, Plasma gun options) was also somewhat stupid.

Changes to the Glancing table and not remembering Necrons. Hell, a minor errata would suffice.

Designer: "Ok we finished Warhammer 40,000 5th edition. The vehicle rules seem very good and the damage table is tweaked to make them a bit more survivable."

Intern: "But sir, with the glancing table removed and simply a -2 modifier won't that upset the balance of some armies that lack definite Anti-tank?"

Designer: "Screw them, they should have played marines."

I think the Cadian troop box is stupid, the sprues only have options for grenade launcher and flamer, and only a chainsword and laspistol for the sergeant. It would be nice to get at least one of each of the special weapons options. The only variety it has is an arm throwing a grenade and one for holding a lasgun.

When they redid the Basilisk kit they forgot to include a heavy bolter.

With the new Chimera kit if you want a crewman standing in the cupola you have your choice of two non-functional pistols to put in his hands. You do not have the option to have him operate a pintle weapon.

The old Chimera kit contained a bit that is not used by Chimeras because it's covered up by the upper hull. It's included because the sprue is shared with other kits that do use that piece. When the Chimera kit was updated it was updated to have two redundant copies of the piece that it doesn't use, one of which is on the sprue that is exclusive to the Chimera kit.

Raxmei wrote:
When the Chimera kit was updated it was updated to have two redundant copies of the piece that it doesn't use, one of which is on the sprue that is exclusive to the Chimera kit.

Thats pretty funny

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

Raxmei wrote:
When the Chimera kit was updated it was updated to have two redundant copies of the piece that it doesn't use, one of which is on the sprue that is exclusive to the Chimera kit.

Thats pretty funny

So it was a copy of the pieces it doesn't use, I wasn't sure when I got it, but that is funny that they managed to make a mistake like that.

Now that is genuinely something that makes you ask, 'seriously GW? WTF?'

Dreadnought Kit should have a plasma cannon. Why in the world would it have everything else but the Plasma Cannon?


fething BJORN KIT! OMFG I am so god damn Mother fething pissed off what they did. They finally released it...Only to look like an Ugly "regular Dreadnaught" Does not even come close to looking as extravagant or decorated as a real Venerable dread. especially since Bjorn is by far the Oldest Space Marine that is known to be alive. WORST OF ALL...Its a metal kit which means you can NEVER switch out the weapons. Once the Kit is together you can never give him the other weapons that are available to him.

Its stupid and has the worst weapon option for him out of what is offered.

Take a look at the difference between the Bjorn of GW and the Venerable that can be the Bjorn of Forgeworld that is "cheaper than GW"

GW Bjorn
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440279a&prodId=prod1070016a

ForgeWorld
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Dreadnoughts/SPACE-WOLVES-VENERABLE-DREADNOUGHT.html

See how much better the Forgeworld one looks? Look at the codex too! The GW one looks nothing like the picture.

Vasarto wrote:
fething BJORN KIT! OMFG I am so god damn Mother fething pissed off what they did. They finally released it...Only to look like an Ugly "regular Dreadnaught" Does not even come close to looking as extravagant or decorated as a real Venerable dread. especially since Bjorn is by far the Oldest Space Marine that is known to be alive. WORST OF ALL...Its a metal kit which means you can NEVER switch out the weapons. Once the Kit is together you can never give him the other weapons that are available to him.

The Bjorn the Fell Handed kit is a metal model that's older than you, kid.

The Tyranid FAQ. Enough said.

Brother SRM wrote:

Vasarto wrote:
fething BJORN KIT! OMFG I am so god damn Mother fething pissed off what they did. They finally released it...Only to look like an Ugly "regular Dreadnaught" Does not even come close to looking as extravagant or decorated as a real Venerable dread. especially since Bjorn is by far the Oldest Space Marine that is known to be alive. WORST OF ALL...Its a metal kit which means you can NEVER switch out the weapons. Once the Kit is together you can never give him the other weapons that are available to him.

The Bjorn the Fell Handed kit is a metal model that's older than you, kid.

Yeah, that is a 3rd(if not 2nd) Edition era model that they are simply re-releasing.

Second Ed. I heard it was actually one of the first Dreads to be released, so saying it looks like other dreads should be a compliment, as Bjorn can be considered (one of) the grandfather of all existing dreads.

I thought that was something new they came out with...Oh well than I take that back. I will wait for them to rerelease it at a later time. Maybe since its older I might get it later down the road...still want the FW model though.

Most useless/stupid GW thing i've experienced? I picked up the SW battleforce. actually a good deal for me, or so i thought. The scout force they give you? They come equipped with shotguns. there isn't a single unit in a SW army that can use a shotgun. Could you give them bolters/bolt pistols? sure. but then what are you going to give your other models?

The SW battleforce was thrown together with existing products and two boxes of Space Wolves. I think they expect you to make blood claws with at least 10 of the Space Wolves (hence the advertisment on the box) and use the remaining bolters for the scouts.

Also, I think the misconception that Bjorn is a new model is due to his new color scheme. it makes him look like a contemporary model (as opposed to the old pic they used for the metal BA furioso Dread) rather than a re-released retro model.

I'm a little confused... Doesn't the SW Battleforce just come with the regular Scout sprue? Which has optional shotguns, bolters and BP/CCW?

Ogryns, overpriced, ugly, and worthless.