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Space Marine Vanguard. So they are 5 points more than an assault marine, and I need to pay for their jump packs...for 10 points each! Feth that.

not puting extra armour on the russ kit when it's a upgrade?

The Old russ had Extra armor in the form of track guards. are they gone now? (I only have the old russes).

Also, all metal 40mm models are jack. Kroxigors, Ogryns, Fiends, etc.... Not talking about old ones like Wraith Guard or others, but the newer ones, made during the time of the plastic molding technology. There was no reason to make them in metal, since you'd be taking an upwards of 3-10 of those models anyways. Things like Zoanthropes and Tyrant Guards are understandable, as they're not that customizable and (at the time) they probably thought most people would only run one or two instead of full on max units.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The Old russ had Extra armor in the form of track guards. are they gone now? (I only have the old russes).

Also, all metal 40mm models are jack. Kroxigors, Ogryns, Fiends, etc.... Not talking about old ones like Wraith Guard or others, but the newer ones, made during the time of the plastic molding technology. There was no reason to make them in metal, since you'd be taking an upwards of 3-10 of those models anyways. Things like Zoanthropes and Tyrant Guards are understandable, as they're not that customizable and (at the time) they probably thought most people would only run one or two instead of full on max units.

I don't think people would go out and buy enough Ogryns to field full squads, even if they were plastic. GW would need to write some "gotta have it" rules for people to even consider buying models for them. Not that I wouldn't want them - it would be a hell of a lot nicer than breaking drillbits off inside fat metal models.

halonachos wrote:Ogryns, overpriced, ugly, and worthless.

Convert WHFB Ogres and give them sawed off HBs.

I would. And a guy i play with did. Think he has around 25 or so of them. Apoc is the only time he uses them but still, Some people love their giant stupid puppies with shotguns.

The Devastators box actually has 2 plasma cannons as well.

Terminators.
Why buy the 'normal' squad and the close combat squad when you could get the Wolf Gaurds and magnatise the arms?

SM scouts.
Why not just include the sniper rifles in the same box?

Blood Angels Battleforce.
It's $165 and you get less then what is inluded in the SM Battleforce which is $15 cheaper!

Why would anyone get tactical marines and a rhino for their BA force?

Capt. Rex wrote:Terminators.
Why buy the 'normal' squad and the close combat squad when you could get the Wolf Gaurds and magnatise the arms?

Because I want to do truescale conversions and I need terminator legs and wolfy bits would only make it harder for me?

Kinda surprised nobody has said the Tau Skyray kit. Exact same cost as the Hammerhead... with the exact same sprues as the Hammerhead, with the Skyray turret in there as well.

Brother SRM wrote:I don't think people would go out and buy enough Ogryns to field full squads, even if they were plastic. GW would need to write some "gotta have it" rules for people to even consider buying models for them. Not that I wouldn't want them - it would be a hell of a lot nicer than breaking drillbits off inside fat metal models.

Yeah, I still have to buy a bone-head to have a squad of five, and for that price I can buy a new ork squad or a dark eldar warrior box.

Well, the only reason I have to buy another ogryn was because I picked 4 up for 4€ each, and 5 is such a nice number. Otherwise I wouldn't even consider them... Same as Wraithguard.

Shrike325 wrote:Kinda surprised nobody has said the Tau Skyray kit. Exact same cost as the Hammerhead... with the exact same sprues as the Hammerhead, with the Skyray turret in there as well.

LOL, do you need any bits off the hammerhead sprue for a skyray though?

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Shrike325 wrote:Kinda surprised nobody has said the Tau Skyray kit. Exact same cost as the Hammerhead... with the exact same sprues as the Hammerhead, with the Skyray turret in there as well.

LOL, do you need any bits off the hammerhead sprue for a skyray though?

I think the extra weapons and the targeter at the bow of the ship are only on the Hammerhead sprue. That's about it though.

And I ahve 10 converted Ogryns made from WHFB Ogres.

Capt. Rex wrote:Terminators.
Why buy the 'normal' squad and the close combat squad when you could get the Wolf Gaurds and magnatise the arms?

SM scouts.
Why not just include the sniper rifles in the same box?

The answer to both these questions is that GW wasn't as good at packing insane amounts of stuff on one sprue as little as 4 years ago. Look at the plastic Space Marine commander kit and compare the sprue economy to the Chaos Terminator Lord kit, or anything else from the last year or two. There's an insane amount of empty sprue.

halonachos wrote:Ogryns, overpriced, ugly, and worthless.

Just use fantasy Ogres...


Edit: oops, Ninja'd by Amaya.

That reminds me. Metal Vets. They can perfectly make them plastic, with all of the associated equipment (they did it with Space Wolves sprue), but they just didnt, and instead gave us metal models (those are really good, just....metal and expensive).

I dont know why they dont make plastic weapon kits

For example:
4 x Ml/Plasmacannon/lascannon/etc (differnt kit for each would only need to be 1 sprue/ blister)
Meltagun and plasmagun (seperate kits 10 of each would be good)
Thunderhammer and stormsheild (5 of each kind of like the assault terminator sprue)
Lightening claws (same 5 of each)

At the moment all the extra weapons are metal blisters i kind of wonder why they arnt plastic (wouldent that also save GW some manufacturing money?)

Gibbsey wrote: i kind of wonder why they arnt plastic (wouldent that also save GW some manufacturing money?)

Metal is more expensive than plastic, sure. But molds for plastic parts are outrageously more expensive than molds for metal parts (like 1000x more expensive).

Hmm...well for starters...the only Assault weap on the SW sprue...a plasma gun...no melta no flamer just a plasma gun...what the chit

second... FAQ....if you got it right the first time you don't need go back and fix it..again...and again....and again...

GW 'customer support'...yeah like they actually know how to support anything but their own dysfunctional asses...ask a question, get a blithering idiotic answer with no context to your original query

and the list goes on and on...

Raptor champion being able to take claws. The only reason that's even an option is because GW made that useless raptor Champion model to go with the five man set.

IG veterans. No kit, just convert your crappy regular guys and paint their shoulder pads something cooler. They need a kit, or at the very least, an upgrade kit.

Hellhounds don't have smoke launchers standard. I believe this has something to do with the option not existing on the sprue, but I could be wrong. 130 points, and they can't just give them to you for free?

DE don't have any reaver jetbike special characters, despite bikes being a huge part of the army.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Raptor champion being able to take claws. The only reason that's even an option is because GW made that useless raptor Champion model to go with the five man set.

IG veterans. No kit, just convert your crappy regular guys and paint their shoulder pads something cooler. They need a kit, or at the very least, an upgrade kit.

Hellhounds don't have smoke launchers standard. I believe this has something to do with the option not existing on the sprue, but I could be wrong. 130 points, and they can't just give them to you for free?

DE don't have any reaver jetbike special characters, despite bikes being a huge part of the army.

Especially since jet bikes characters weren't all that uncommon last book. They made a bunch of cool converted HQs into glorified squad leaders.

Something I didnt see(I went ADOS before i could read everything) but it needs to be said, BA gets flying land raiders, seriously?It's not like they are the cheesiest army in the game.......

Wardragoon wrote:Something I didnt see(I went ADOS before i could read everything) but it needs to be said, BA gets flying land raiders, seriously?It's not like they are the cheesiest army in the game.......

Lol everyone complains about that (fluff wise its them being dropped by a thunderhawk transport swooping down so maybe they should get a str 8 hit when they do it?) but noone in their right mind deepstrikes their landraiders

And didnt you know? our sang preists carry wine to counteract the cheesiness

I have to say I envy elite chaplains (seriously I would throw them with deathwing then haha)

Samus_aran115 wrote:

IG veterans. No kit, just convert your crappy regular guys and paint their shoulder pads something cooler. They need a kit, or at the very least, an upgrade kit.

You can get a small kit from FG
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Cadian_Shock_Troops/CADIAN-UPGRADE-PACK-HARDENED-VETERANS-WITH-SHOTGUNS.html

The problem though is its only 5, and since my army list is pretty much all vets i just bought the Cadian upgrade pack with respirators
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Cadian_Shock_Troops/CADIAN-INFANTRY-SQUAD-WITH-RESPIRATORS-UPGRADE-PACK.html

Grenade launchers.

The real tragedy is that its one of only two options you get with the regular infantry sprue. I can't tell you how many meltaguns I've bought from bitz sites, and how many worthless grenade launchers I have in my bitz box.

... that they're even an option for stormtroopers makes me cry...

A third of the Tyranid codex not existing but Blood Angels needed a second wave first. Oh and they needed their FAQ just as much as Tyranids as well. Because there were so many horribly misworded and functionally broken entries in the BA codex. That are still there. With some having been actively nerfed by the FAQ. As well as nerrfing major rules for the entire codex.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. For 1 more point per model you can get Battle Sisters with better armor and stronger weapons.

Amaya wrote:Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. For 1 more point per model you can get Battle Sisters with better armor and stronger weapons.

They can be taken in smaller squads (fits in immos), and have a better special weapons per points spent ratio. They also have access to plasma, while not great these days, 2 plasma guns in a 5 man squad for as cheap as they are will give you opponent pause.