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Jokaero?! Seriously?
first there was Canis Wolfborn the space wolf riding a thunderwolf with wolf claws, then there's DS-ing land raiders, dreads hanging onto mini-thunderhawks and psychicMC stats on a 25mm base, now grey knights are friends with highly intelligent apes building laser guns? GW- to us, it's all:
Canis born the space riding a thunder with claws, then there's DS-ing raiders, hanging onto mini-thunder and psychic stats on a 25mm base, now grey knights are friends with highly intelligent building guns. Stop now, lest we all die (AKA you lose your market).

BrassScorpion wrote:Seeing the word, "ARGUMENTS" misspelled makes a lot of people cry. Computers and the Internet provide easy access to spell checking. Surely, superhuman Space Marines should know this.

MajorTom11 wrote:

I do it to draw out the spelling bee storm troopers... it was a test, you failed!

Ok but seriously ya I should fix that lol...

Would you believe me if I told you it was just 1337 speak?

Pyriel- wrote:Wonder if all the weird henchmen options will get minis and be released with the first wave or if all henchmen already exist in the forms of older inquisitor retinues.
Would be a pretty expensive endeavor to buy 10-20 metal crusader minis for your henchmen squads.

I doubt it. I bet Henchmen might get a couple new models for unique types, but the glory of henchmen have been the conversion possibilities and subbing in models from other ranges and armies.

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

pretre wrote:
I am outraged at your call for cool heads and calm tone!
We must rage at the perceived injustices contained within internet rumors and what they portend!!!

And I'm outraged that people find it acceptable for Jokaero to be in Codex: Grey Knights of all bloody places. The Imperium went out of its way to attempt to exterminate the Jokaero. Why the feth are they in the codex for one of the most fanatically loyal parts of the Imperium?

Calm down, killer. I was parodying the exact kind of behavior you are exemplifying.

One could excuse them for the same reason you could excuse Daemonhosts in Codex: Grey Knights OABP*. Inquisitors do their own thing.

* My new favorite way to refer to the GK codex.

Daemonhosts in a codex that features the Ordo Malleus?

Makes sense. There's radical Inquisitors within the Ordo Malleus who believe the 'weapons of the enemy should be used against them'.

Jokaero though?
Even the Ordo Xenos, the only branch that reasonably has a tie-in to the Jokaero, has no real ties to them outside of collecting their creations after conflicts with the Jokaero.

Kanluwen wrote:Daemonhosts in a codex that features the Ordo Malleus?

Makes sense. There's radical Inquisitors within the Ordo Malleus who believe the 'weapons of the enemy should be used against them'.

Jokaero though?
Even the Ordo Xenos, the only branch that reasonably has a tie-in to the Jokaero, has no real ties to them outside of collecting their creations after conflicts with the Jokaero.

And there's no radical factions in Ordo Xenos? Logical extension, since all the other ordos have Radicals. Ahh, but perhaps not in Codex: GKOABP.

pretre wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
OK, how much are the:
- Sisters (Bolter & PA)
- Stormies (Carapace & hotshot lasgun)
- Crusaders (Carapace, Storm Shield & Power Weapon)
- Combat Servitors (Carapace & Power Fist)

+1 JHDD

Nice thought. Put that way, it sounds like the retinues really could be customizable.

With one fell swoop, assuming a character that makes henchman troops and not arguing the right/wrong of that, you could have an alternate Codex: Sister of Battle, Codex: Stormtrooper IG, etc

Hmmm. Now I'm intrigued!

I'm liking it.

Sounds to me like we won't need a Sisters Codex for a few more years, as they're nothing more than mere henchwomen who follow the orders of their Inquisitor.

And I'm outraged that people find it acceptable for Jokaero to be in Codex: Grey Knights of all bloody places. The Imperium went out of its way to attempt to exterminate the Jokaero. Why the feth are they in the codex for one of the most fanatically loyal parts of the Imperium?

Ever heard of radical inquisitors?

Damn dude, more options make for more fun lists and games.
Go whine at the DE beast choices, there you have some smoked-up s**t for sure.

IG got new tanks, artillery and chimera chassi vehicles and flyers, DE got new flyers and cronos engine models, SM got thunderfires and legion units (worthless I know), marines riding animals and flying transport bricks etc.
So GKs will also get a new thing or two so what.

One inquisitor locks up the jokaero while another uses it in the field, just like one kills the deamonhost while another uses it just like one uses tau and ork tech and mercenaries while another kills them on sight.
Its what makes the fluff and the game fun.

And the less people try to justify Jokaero as being anything more than someone misinterpreting what will, quite likely, be "Jokaero Digital Weapons" the less of these crappy rumours we'll see

Then we will make bloody internet fools out of ourselves, cry me a river, who cares.
Rumor threads are for debating, guessing, nagging and second guessing and I for one dont have such a low self esteem that I am bothered by being wrong in advance over a rumor. Its not like I am betting heavy money on weather a book will contain an ape or not, geez.

Even the Ordo Xenos, the only branch that reasonably has a tie-in to the Jokaero, has no real ties to them outside of collecting their creations after conflicts with the Jokaero.

I know what you mean but dude, a small paradox like this will just have to be tolerated.
Read up on the chaos SM codex and deamon codex, there are some real big paradoxes that according to your logic would not be allowed.
I mean khorne bloodletters and chaos berzerkers being led and taking orders from a tzench sorceror, plague marines fighting side by side with slanesh maries etc etc
Where is the world coming to!

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Daemonhosts in a codex that features the Ordo Malleus?

Makes sense. There's radical Inquisitors within the Ordo Malleus who believe the 'weapons of the enemy should be used against them'.

Jokaero though?
Even the Ordo Xenos, the only branch that reasonably has a tie-in to the Jokaero, has no real ties to them outside of collecting their creations after conflicts with the Jokaero.

And there's no radical factions in Ordo Xenos? Logical extension, since all the other ordos have Radicals. Ahh, but perhaps not in Codex: GKOABP.

Now you see the point I'm making really.

What the feth do Jokaero have to do with the Grey Knights? They're not diametrically opposed to Daemons. They're not the native race of Titan or anything even remotely close to the Grey Knights.

Kanluwen wrote:
Now you see the point I'm making really.

What the feth do Jokaero have to do with the Grey Knights? They're not diametrically opposed to Daemons. They're not the native race of Titan or anything even remotely close to the Grey Knights.

And you're not railing against Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus for the same reasons?

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Now you see the point I'm making really.

What the feth do Jokaero have to do with the Grey Knights? They're not diametrically opposed to Daemons. They're not the native race of Titan or anything even remotely close to the Grey Knights.

And you're not railing against Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus for the same reasons?

or even demon hosts? i mean arnt grey knights opposed to fighting with an inquisitor that uses demon hosts?

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'm liking it.

Sounds to me like we won't need a Sisters Codex for a few more years, as they're nothing more than mere henchwomen who follow the orders of their Inquisitor.

lol You're just asking for trouble now.

Jokaero are extinct apes that make stupidly advanced weapons that inquisitors sometimes use. Daemonhosts are captured daemons wich radical inquisitors sometimes use to fight it's own kind. GK won't fight with radicals, but they won't execute them. After all, they're still loyal to da emprah and hunt daemons. Jokaero? They have no ties to GK whatsoever.
This isn't about daemonhosts anyway, it's about Jokaero.

pretre wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'm liking it.

Sounds to me like we won't need a Sisters Codex for a few more years, as they're nothing more than mere henchwomen who follow the orders of their Inquisitor.

lol You're just asking for trouble now.

Why?

Is it not true?

Gibbsey wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Now you see the point I'm making really.

What the feth do Jokaero have to do with the Grey Knights? They're not diametrically opposed to Daemons. They're not the native race of Titan or anything even remotely close to the Grey Knights.

And you're not railing against Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus for the same reasons?

or even demon hosts? i mean arnt grey knights opposed to fighting with an inquisitor that uses demon hosts?

Grey Knights can't fight with Inquisitors using Daemonhosts--or at least when Daemonhosts were introduced in Daemonhunters they couldn't.

I'd be surprised if we didn't see the same thing, frankly.

Jokaero Weaponsmith: 1 3 2 3 1 3 1 8 -

Digital Weapons
5+ Invulnerable save

Special Rules: Jokaero Ingenuity, Inconcievable Customisation

JI: Can use their weapon as either a LC, MM, HF
IC: Roll on a chart, give squad an upgrade. Modified by how many Jokaero are in the unit

shrike wrote:GK won't fight with radicals, but they won't execute them. After all, they're still loyal to da emprah and hunt daemons.

Umm. The whole point of the kind of Radicals who use Daemonhosts and such is that if their true methods were exposed, they would be hunted and killed. The GK certainly wouldn't let them go.

P 11 - C: DH - 'The creation of such blasphemous entities is enough for an Inquisitor to be declared Excommunicate Traitoris, and hunted until death by a jury of his peers.'

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Now you see the point I'm making really.

What the feth do Jokaero have to do with the Grey Knights? They're not diametrically opposed to Daemons. They're not the native race of Titan or anything even remotely close to the Grey Knights.

And you're not railing against Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus for the same reasons?

or even demon hosts? i mean arnt grey knights opposed to fighting with an inquisitor that uses demon hosts?

Grey Knights can't fight with Inquisitors using Daemonhosts--or at least when Daemonhosts were introduced in Daemonhunters they couldn't.

I'd be surprised if we didn't see the same thing, frankly.

You can take Daemonhosts in any Inquisitor's retinue

So, the warrior acolyte can take bolters, power swords, power fists, storm shields and power armour.

Does this mean that we can take space marine models and stick them in as 'henchmen'? It would be pretty funny to see an inquisitor with what looks like a space marine retinue.

Tanus wrote:Jokaero Weaponsmith: 1 3 2 3 1 3 1 8 -

Digital Weapons
5+ Invulnerable save

Special Rules: Jokaero Ingenuity, Inconcievable Customisation

JI: Can use their weapon as either a LC, MM, HF
IC: Roll on a chart, give squad an upgrade. Modified by how many Jokaero are in the unit

lol, they actually DID put them in?! Part of the Inq. retinue?

ColdSadHungry wrote:So, the warrior acolyte can take bolters, power swords, power fists, storm shields and power armour.

Does this mean that we can take space marine models and stick them in as 'henchmen'? It would be pretty funny to see an inquisitor with what looks like a space marine retinue.

Yeah, but they'd be S3 T3

Guess Tanus found himself a leaked copy, since he's johnny on the spot with answered questions.

Tanus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:

pretre wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Now you see the point I'm making really.

What the feth do Jokaero have to do with the Grey Knights? They're not diametrically opposed to Daemons. They're not the native race of Titan or anything even remotely close to the Grey Knights.

And you're not railing against Ordo Xenos or Ordo Hereticus for the same reasons?

or even demon hosts? i mean arnt grey knights opposed to fighting with an inquisitor that uses demon hosts?

Grey Knights can't fight with Inquisitors using Daemonhosts--or at least when Daemonhosts were introduced in Daemonhunters they couldn't.

I'd be surprised if we didn't see the same thing, frankly.

You can take Daemonhosts in any Inquisitor's retinue

And I refuse to believe any of these rumours until I see the book on preorder and from the black box at my FLGS.

Too many of the rumormongers out there latch onto these outlandish rumors rather than shoot them down, simply because they don't want to look like they don't know it.

Tanus wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:So, the warrior acolyte can take bolters, power swords, power fists, storm shields and power armour.

Does this mean that we can take space marine models and stick them in as 'henchmen'? It would be pretty funny to see an inquisitor with what looks like a space marine retinue.

Yeah, but they'd be S3 T3

So? Use the RT-era models.

Pyriel- wrote:
Deamons are what, 2-5% of all armies the normal player faces whereas mechanized cheese, eldar, tau and dark eldar is 90% so I´d rather this army was balanced to those 90% then one rarely seen army.

Wait, what? Are you playing in some deformed environment where 90% of armies aren't Space Marines?

I can't believe no one has mentioned it yet, but I can see Inquisitorial Henchmen as a fantastic unit in MSU armies. Assuming they work as rumored, you could have 3 PW/SS guys and 3 Melta gunner Acolytes. In a Razorback. Um... yes, please!

Yeah Inq. Henchmen seem kind of neat and offer nice conversion possibilities.

I'm really let down on the Grey Knight standard trooper though. A basic marine stat line? 1 friggin' attack? What the hell?

So an =I= pure army seems to be completely reliant on a 'Counts As' for Coteaz to get a full army of Inquisitorial Mobs.

Is this their way of getting around the Allies rule? by using an ultra-customisable retinue squad?

GK won't fight with radicals, but they won't execute them. After all, they're still loyal to da emprah and hunt daemons

So khorne berzerkers led by a tzench sorceror is ok?
What about bloodletters fighting alongside horrors?

Then I guess having an ape and a deamonhost in a GK codex is no bigger a crime.

Wait, what? Are you playing in some deformed environment where 90% of armies aren't Space Marines?

Yes but 90% are m e c h space marines.

I'm really let down on the Grey Knight standard trooper though. A basic marine stat line? 1 friggin' attack? What the hell?

Maybe they´ll get an extra attack counting the stormbolter as a one arm weapon.
Otherwise yes, they would truly suck for those points.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Is it not true?

My head asplode.

Hmm...All this new info to me smells like the hoax BA Codex that was making the rounds before the real one was released. I could be wrong, but these rumors smell pretty funky. Kinda like someone got ahold of an early copy of the playtest rules before GW started toning things down.

That said, if the Warrior Henchmen can get shotguns, then this could be another alternate ruleset to play Adeptus Arbites.