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What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Why next thing you know GW will say that dark-skinned marines are deviant mutants!

Manchu wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Is it not true?

My head asplode.

Glad to help!

So you can have henchman squads of 10 in Power Armor with Combi-Weapons riding in Chimeras? As Troops (with SC)? With a Jokaero or two in the squad to makes them even more shooty? Dang...

The Jokaero tie-in really makes no sense.

And if Vindicaire assassins have unlimited special ammo and can be taken multiple times (can anyone confirm?), then GK won't lack for anti mech at all. 3 near-auto-hitting turbo penetrators a turn should crump AV of all values.

If they get any real nonsense like AP1, then Vindicaires and scoring Terminators is all the entire army needs to be viable. Snipe lascannon and plasmagun toters, put mega death shots through AV14. AV10-11 spam could be an issue but if psycannons are availalbe then not even then.

Jaon wrote:Is the misspelling of the word "grey" an internet meme or something...?

As noted it's a US/UK thing.

Moreover by the terms of the Treaty of Usenet which brought an end to the Great Flame Wars of 1994 attacking someone's spelling on the internet is not acceptable behavior. It's like making fun of your friend for saying 'um' in a sentence. None of us are writing our docteral thesis here.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:None of us are writing our docteral thesis here.

Shouldn't that be doctoral?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Why next thing you know GW will say that dark-skinned marines are deviant mutants!

i can't really tell if you're joking with that so i'll wait for a clarification.

also, since my question got buried in pages and pages of space monkey posts, i'll ask again... any special characters with an option for a powersword and stormshield? poppa's got an inquisitor rex model he wants to use without permission!

Pyriel- wrote:

I don't think that anyone will care what the official GW spelling is (British) when they can use their own language with equal ease.

Exactly! Armour - armor, grey - gray, who gives a crap, we all know and understand what is being said.

Look, I was just asking why everyone is saying gray, and it was explained that is is a correct spelling. You can drop it now.

sourclams wrote:
And if Vindicaire assassins have unlimited special ammo and can be taken multiple times (can anyone confirm?), then GK won't lack for anti mech at all. 3 near-auto-hitting turbo penetrators a turn should crump AV of all values.

Is the turbo-penetrator getting a boost in some way? While it can penetrate vehicles now, it's pretty unreliable.

shrike wrote:Jokaero?! Seriously?
first there was Canis Wolfborn the space wolf riding a thunderwolf with wolf claws, then there's DS-ing land raiders, dreads hanging onto mini-thunderhawks and psychicMC stats on a 25mm base, now grey knights are friends with highly intelligent apes building laser guns? GW- to us, it's all:
Canis born the space riding a thunder with claws, then there's DS-ing raiders, hanging onto mini-thunder and psychic stats on a 25mm base, now grey knights are friends with highly intelligent building guns. Stop now, lest we all die (AKA you lose your market).

Hence the reason I dont play the game. Well among other reasons anyways, theres very little I like about the current iteration of 40K. I use the minis for another rules system. There are several good ones out there with creation rules, allowing you to use any minis from any game in them.

To me GW is good for minis and fun fluff, thats all.


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Pyriel- wrote:

Is there rumored to be a new kit for the Dreadknight? Is there a rundown of rumored new models that I am missing? Thanks for all the info!

Hope it gets released with the first wave of knights. I´m buying 3 of them right away

Im looking forward to seeing how they do it, but Ill reserve excitement until I see the thing.

If they make it cool and metal Ill buy 1.

If they make it cool and plastic Ill buy 2 or 3.

If they make it dumb Ill just sit here being not surprised at all.

Mad4Minis wrote:To me GW is good for minis and fun fluff, thats all.


Im looking forward to seeing how they do it, but Ill reserve excitement until I see the thing.
If they make it cool and metal Ill buy 1.
If they make it cool and plastic Ill buy 2 or 3.
If they make it dumb Ill just sit here being not surprised at all.

Exactly. Nice minis = Buy! Bad minis = Pass.

When the BA Codex came out, I budgeted to buy a couple SRGs. Then I saw the pics. Oh well, more money for something else!

I am liking this less and less. The thing that made me want to get involved with the Imperium was the Inquisitation. I loved the fluff etc.
But I didn't see much point with GKs. I like the SoB (the idea of Nuns with Guns in space is awesome).
What I am seeing from these rumours looks so much more like a version of BA (and lack the massive amount of CC they get too).
First the ISTs have been removed. ( I know there is the "Henchmen" but not the same thing, or even close)
Then GKs have been reduced to having stats like every other Marine.

Just seems so Sub-par.

DarknessEternal wrote:

sourclams wrote:
And if Vindicaire assassins have unlimited special ammo and can be taken multiple times (can anyone confirm?), then GK won't lack for anti mech at all. 3 near-auto-hitting turbo penetrators a turn should crump AV of all values.

Is the turbo-penetrator getting a boost in some way? While it can penetrate vehicles now, it's pretty unreliable.

Rumor was, 4d6 rending for pen. That's a 14 on an average roll, with no rend needed.

warboss wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Why next thing you know GW will say that dark-skinned marines are deviant mutants!

i can't really tell if you're joking with that so i'll wait for a clarification.

AH you must have missed the Great 'GW is Racist' Floating Flame War.

Yellow Monkeys is an old well-known insult for Asians, especially Japanese. So orange monkeys who are good with tech but don't understand it (especially in an 80s context) are a bit suspect.

In RT days 'Black Skin' was a chaos mutation, of course the description clearly says they mean ink black skin not African but still... And then GW recently retconed the African skinned Salamanders to ink-black mutants.

And y'know, I would not be shocked if those really were meant as coded race jokes, GW has always had more than a little bit of the frat house (or UK equivlent) mentality.


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alphaomega wrote:I am liking this less and less. The thing that made me want to get involved with the Imperium was the Inquisitation. I loved the fluff etc.
But I didn't see much point with GKs. I like the SoB (the idea of Nuns with Guns in space is awesome).
What I am seeing from these rumours looks so much more like a version of BA (and lack the massive amount of CC they get too).
First the ISTs have been removed. ( I know there is the "Henchmen" but not the same thing, or even close)
Then GKs have been reduced to having stats like every other Marine.

Just seems so Sub-par.

I know, if only someone somewhere made an RPG just focused on the Inquisition!

I'd buy all their books, even if I never played.


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Slinky wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:None of us are writing our docteral thesis here.

Shouldn't that be doctoral?

I invoke my rights under the Treaty of Usenet.

RPG is all good.
I do (did) enjoy it.

But I just really think it is going to mean more people will play GK. Currently the last 20 games I have had have been 1 against Orks. One against Eldar (the only mech army I have seen in a while) and roughly 50/50 of the rest have been BA or SW.

I am just disappointed. I love my Inquisitor models (and I have a lot of them) And while I have 25 PAGKs and 8 TAGKs I just don't want an army that (by the looks of the rumours) will be Silver/Grey armoured BA with Storm Bolters.

Sigh

I just hope that things might be a bit different when the book comes out.
Maybe then my hard earned £££ might actually get a game without people going "they are illegal!" every time I put an Inquisitor or GK down.

What's all the FURY about the Jokearo about? I thought the rumour was for a Weaponsmith. Doesn't say anything about it being a damn dirty ape/Man of the Forest as far as I see. In fact, to me it sounds more like some kind of Adeptus Mechanicus Technosavant.

Ok, I don't know what a technosavant is, but seeing as the henchmen look like on of those catch-all counts-as units, why the hell not?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Jaon wrote:Is the misspelling of the word "grey" an internet meme or something...?

As noted it's a US/UK thing.

Moreover by the terms of the Treaty of Usenet which brought an end to the Great Flame Wars of 1994 attacking someone's spelling on the internet is not acceptable behavior. It's like making fun of your friend for saying 'um' in a sentence. None of us are writing our docteral thesis here.

1999, I believe.

I was not attacking spelling, I was asking a question. Umad?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Hmmm...never crossed my mind until it was mentioned. Even then it sounds like stretching. Think this may be a case of if you look hard enough, you can find racism in anything.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Hmmm...never crossed my mind until it was mentioned. Even then it sounds like stretching. Think this may be a case of if you look hard enough, you can find racism in anything.

Unfortunately, with GW one tends not to have to look very hard at all.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Hmmm...never crossed my mind until it was mentioned. Even then it sounds like stretching. Think this may be a case of if you look hard enough, you can find racism in anything.

Unfortunately, with GW one tends not to have to look very hard at all.

Id love some examples.

Jaon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Hmmm...never crossed my mind until it was mentioned. Even then it sounds like stretching. Think this may be a case of if you look hard enough, you can find racism in anything.

Unfortunately, with GW one tends not to have to look very hard at all.

Id love some examples.

Because we need more coded racist crap in our lives? No, Joannie, we don't.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Jaon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Hmmm...never crossed my mind until it was mentioned. Even then it sounds like stretching. Think this may be a case of if you look hard enough, you can find racism in anything.

Unfortunately, with GW one tends not to have to look very hard at all.

Id love some examples.

Because we need more coded racist crap in our lives? No, Joannie, we don't.

Oh no, you didnt just call m....you did didn't you.

You've already run two GK rumour threads into the ground, Jaon. How about you stop before you make it a third?

Jaon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What, no one has jumped in to mention that yellow monkeys who are good with technology is just wee tad racist?

Hmmm...never crossed my mind until it was mentioned. Even then it sounds like stretching. Think this may be a case of if you look hard enough, you can find racism in anything.

Unfortunately, with GW one tends not to have to look very hard at all.

Id love some examples.

Not to refight the Great 'GW is Racist' Floating Flame War but they did make a fantasy world where all South Americans are Frogs (with 'hysterical' names like Tiq Tak Toe), all Egyptians are skeletons, Japanese are rats and Africans are Savage Orks.

But Europeans are human.

So lets just call that poorly thought out shall we?

pretre wrote:The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.

Careful! Using the word ‘foolish’ at Dakka is enough of an offence to garner not only an insulting PM from Old Man Fraz, but also angry red text in your post!!!

This post merits ANGRY RED TEXT for illicit independent (if tiresome) thought. ~Comrade Manchu

Leggy wrote:What's all the FURY about the Jokearo about? I thought the rumour was for a Weaponsmith. Doesn't say anything about it being a damn dirty ape/Man of the Forest as far as I see. In fact, to me it sounds more like some kind of Adeptus Mechanicus Technosavant.

it's because the guy who posted that Henchmen details also added that the weaponsmiths are Jokearo.

Kanluwen wrote:Grey Knights can't fight with Inquisitors using Daemonhosts--or at least when Daemonhosts were introduced in Daemonhunters they couldn't.

The fluff is arbitrary. It will change to suit the needs of the Codex/model lines. How many times must this be explained to you?

Kanluwen wrote:And I refuse to believe any of these rumours until I see the book on preorder and from the black box at my FLGS.

Too many of the rumormongers out there latch onto these outlandish rumors rather than shoot them down, simply because they don't want to look like they don't know it.

Then I hope you’re a good cook, ‘cause I’ll be expecting one hell of an omelette on release day once you’ve finished scraping all the egg off your face.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Not to refight the Great 'GW is Racist' Floating Flame War but they did make a fantasy world where all South Americans are Frogs (with 'hysterical' names like Tiq Tak Toe), all Egyptians are skeletons, Japanese are rats and Africans are Savage Orks.

But Europeans are human.

So lets just call that poorly thought out shall we?

Punny names do indeed equal racism, yes.

Guys...

I'm not a Mod, but can we please get back on topic here???

We are not here to talk about racism, we are here to talk about our hobby.

So please... Quit it.

Thank You.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Grey Knights can't fight with Inquisitors using Daemonhosts--or at least when Daemonhosts were introduced in Daemonhunters they couldn't.

The fluff is arbitrary. It will change to suit the needs of the Codex/model lines. How many times must this be explained to you?

Until it actually happens for real
Most of the fluff changes are never as radical as you make them out to be. I've yet to see anything as radically oxymoronic as Grey Knights fighting alongside radical Inquisitors.
And unless it's Pete Haines, I don't see it happening.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And I refuse to believe any of these rumours until I see the book on preorder and from the black box at my FLGS.

Too many of the rumormongers out there latch onto these outlandish rumors rather than shoot them down, simply because they don't want to look like they don't know it.

Then I hope you’re a good cook, ‘cause I’ll be expecting one hell of an omelette on release day once you’ve finished scraping all the egg off your face.

And I'll be expecting one hell of an apology if most of this doesn't come to pass.