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After making this thread I've noticed most people don't like the price. Would people buy this if it was say £30?

RandomSauce19 wrote:After making this thread I've noticed most people don't like the price. Would people buy this if it was say £30?

Probably. Just to clarify, in my case it isn't necessarily that £70 is too much or too high, rather I don't personally consider it particularly good value for money. One of the reasons why opinion is split so much when it comes to GW releases I guess.

RandomSauce19 wrote:After making this thread I've noticed most people don't like the price. Would people buy this if it was say £30?

That's about $50 US, and I'd be all over the game at that price. Even though there are some elements, aesthetically, that I don't like, I think that is a great price point to get me into the game. I'd probably pay up to $70 for DF. At $115, it's pretty much a joke to me.

Edit: I just wanted to add that I'd pay up to $70 for the game, even if it had lower quality playing pieces. For a basic board game, that I'm not really going to convert and show off, or build a large cohesive army out of, I don't really care how detailed the pieces are. If GW could have produced DF at a lower price point, by spending less time on the models, I would have been a buyer.

RandomSauce19 wrote:After making this thread I've noticed most people don't like the price. Would people buy this if it was say £30?

Probably not. I'm not interested because:
1) unpainted, unassembled models;
2) lots of rules (96 page rulebook? No thanks.)

It's not what I'm looking for in a boardgame. If it takes more than 10-15 minutes to understand how the game plays, it's too complicated. Ditto for setup.

biccat wrote:

Probably not. I'm not interested because:
1) unpainted, unassembled models;
2) lots of rules (96 page rulebook? No thanks.)

It's not what I'm looking for in a boardgame. If it takes more than 10-15 minutes to understand how the game plays, it's too complicated. Ditto for setup.

QFT. I have lots of board / card games that don't involve 3 credit hours of study to learn. Certainly don't want to pay that price for the privilege... And, just like taking a random community college course, I'd only get about 3 months of enjoyment out of it.

We have been playing Killer Bunnies, and it is a total hit. People who would be completely intimidated or bored by Dreadfleet easily learn Killer Bunnies, and we can get as many expansions as needed.

So Dreadfleet is a no for me. If there would have been demo games this weekend, it may have been a yes. As it stands, it is too much money to risk purchase of something that is looking likely to be dead in the water. Realistically, cost of dreadfleet is comparable to 2 battlewagons. That clinched it for me - would much rather make a battlewagon rush than buy this thing that will sit on a shelf!

2 x Edit: Writing FAIL... maybe I should go re-take intro to English

I got Space Hulk "for free"-meaning I worked off enough hours in the game store to pay for it, without having to pay out of pocket. Paid in time. But I knew I could use the models after I was done with it (and I do), but this unfortunately would be a waste. Between Fantasy and 40k, Warhammer Invasion (card game from FFG), and my Xbox 360, this game holds no place in my wallet. Cool concept? Sure. But not at $115. If I could still work it off in an afternoon/evening without paying cash, then sure. But dropping a ton of money on something that doesn't have any long term benefits? Nope, moving on to something else.

No.

Why?

Can you say ManOWar? Yes we have all been there before! This is an old idea, and not a very good one originally...

Over the years I have learned that GW does a terrible job supporting everything/anything they make that isn't a flagship title. It's bad enough to keep up with codex creep and versions in the flagship games...

So no matter how interesting a new game of theirs looks I'd never bother with it, in 3 months it'll just be another worthless tag on the specialist games part of their website of over priced junk they have forgotten. Or completely discontinued.

Look at this list:

Adeptus Titanicus
Space Marine
EPIC Warhammer 40,000
Advanced Space Crusade
Battlefleet Gothic
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
Necromunda
Gorkamorka
ManOWar
Bloodbowl
Mordheim
Spacehulk
Warmaster
Inquisitor
Battle of Five Armies

now Dreadfleet?

I'm sure it will be different!...

Don't waste your time my friends!

Looks like there's more people not into the game than I thought it woulda been. I won't call it a flop because there's enough people that will buy it regardless and it'll still be sold out in no time. But.. I think it would have been much more well received if it tied in with a current range. Like, space hulk had models you could also use in 40K, and aside from it being a great game, that was also a great added bonus.

Augustus wrote:No.

Why?

Can you say ManOWar? Yes we have all been there before! This is an old idea, and not a very good one originally...

Over the years I have learned that GW does a terrible job supporting everything/anything they make that isn't a flagship title. It's bad enough to keep up with codex creep and versions in the flagship games...

So no matter how interesting a new game of theirs looks I'd never bother with it, in 3 months it'll just be another worthless tag on the specialist games part of their website of over priced junk they have forgotten. Or completely discontinued.

Look at this list:

Adeptus Titanicus
Space Marine
EPIC Warhammer 40,000
Advanced Space Crusade
Battlefleet Gothic
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
Necromunda
Gorkamorka
ManOWar
Bloodbowl
Mordheim
Spacehulk
Warmaster
Inquisitor
Battle of Five Armies

now Dreadfleet?

I'm sure it will be different!...

Don't waste your time my friends!

Just out of curiosity, what kind of support do you think Space Hulk should have gotten that it didn't? How about Battle of the Five Armies? Several of the other games are either still available for sale and or free download. The first three were evolutionary and the next step, Epic Armagedon is available for free. Seriously, what type of support did you want that was not provided? Several of the games have extensive web and fan based content as well as GW provided web content/downloads. Figures for a lot of them are available...

I'm not trying to be a wise ass. I just don't understand what 'lack of support' means for these games, or what type of support is expected for a 'Game in the Box' like Space Hulk or Dread Fleet. Space Hulk saw GW give us online painting guides, a mission planning tool (that admittedly wasn't that great) and some other online content. I'm sure Dread Fleet will get the same over the next month or two. What else is desired for a one off game?

Flashman wrote:No, I liked the idea of a naval game, but the execution doesn't really interest me.

Agreed 100%. Add the huge price to that and its just a big no.


Ill also agree with those who want a WHQ remake, Id have bought one of those.

CptJake wrote:

Augustus wrote:...

Don't waste your time my friends!

Just out of curiosity, what kind of support do you think Space Hulk should have gotten that it didn't? How about Battle of the Five Armies? Several of the other games are either still available for sale and or free download. The first three were evolutionary and the next step, Epic Armagedon is available for free. Seriously, what type of support did you want that was not provided? Several of the games have extensive web and fan based content as well as GW provided web content/downloads. Figures for a lot of them are available...

I'm not trying to be a wise ass. I just don't understand what 'lack of support' means for these games, or what type of support is expected for a 'Game in the Box' like Space Hulk or Dread Fleet. Space Hulk saw GW give us online painting guides, a mission planning tool (that admittedly wasn't that great) and some other online content. I'm sure Dread Fleet will get the same over the next month or two. What else is desired for a one off game?

Ok fair to say, allow me to explain a little. Generally my opinions are based on years of play, did they eventually do some stuff for EPIC 40k, sure, is there some limited stuff for other games, yes. I'm not really going to budge on 'FAN' sites though, there's all kinds of fan stuff out there.

I went years with nothing, for games I used to love,and I'm sick of that, most of those games just disappeared one day and had years of neglect. Spacehulk is a great example, could you buy a game (between the DC and the rerelease)? No, were they selling it? No. Did they do expansions? No, could you get replacement minis? No etc.

GW just drops their stuff on the floor.

Furthermore they don't really respect the older works, if you have a copy of Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine, EPIC 40k is a completely different game. It's like they intellectually trampled all over the original. I wouldn't want to go through that sort of thing again either.
Also one of THE most important parts is GW doesn't support independent retailers with any of that stuff, I want to buy it off the shelf locally, but they don't give stores terms, so you never see it, you have to order it direct, and this keeps communities form growing around it. I think it's a circular problem, that keeps them in the 'limited release' mindset. They design and market these for short term obsolescence, what they should do instead is stand behind their product and retailers and fully support the non flagship games, but they never do.

That's also what I mean.

If you had sat on your ManOWar fleets for years and scoured eBay, etc. what would you think of this...?

Dear GW,

Please stop wasting time on money grubbing gimmicks and come out with something that people actually want to buy.

For instance, Codex: Necrons would be a great start.

Codex: Necrons/Tau/Eldar > Dreadfleet and its cheap, quick revenue equivalents.

biccat wrote:96 page rulebook

WTF? Thats absolutely crazy.

That does sound pretty big for a boardgame? Has anyone actually seen this? Not full of images and fluff?

Hmm.

I havent decided yet. I kind of want it just to have it. But I've got other things that need immediate attention of my finances so I may end up missing it unless someone I know agrees to get me a copy in exchange for some old models.

RandomSauce19 wrote:After making this thread I've noticed most people don't like the price. Would people buy this if it was say £30?

£30 is a pipe-dream. I don't have a problem with the UK price. It's expensive, but no more so than most comparable board games.

The Australian price is a joke, though.

biccat wrote:Probably not. I'm not interested because:
1) unpainted, unassembled models;
2) lots of rules (96 page rulebook? No thanks.)

It's not what I'm looking for in a boardgame. If it takes more than 10-15 minutes to understand how the game plays, it's too complicated. Ditto for setup.

I’m the same as well when searching for boardgames. The miniatures have to be at least assembled (or snap fit) and the rules streamlined so that they only take a small period of time to understand. Boardgames operate very differently from tabletop wargames and thus need to be built differently.

What’s odd is about Dreadfleet is that it seems to be more of a tabletop wargame (miatures on sprue, 96 page rulebook) rather than a boardgame yet it is packaged and marketed as a boardgame.

$115 for THOSE minis?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Maybe if they pay me to paint that OTT BS.

insaniak wrote:

RandomSauce19 wrote:After making this thread I've noticed most people don't like the price. Would people buy this if it was say £30?

£30 is a pipe-dream. I don't have a problem with the UK price. It's expensive, but no more so than most comparable board games.

The Australian price is a joke, though.

Is the Aus price as high as NZ? This blog says 155GBP equivalent, which is beyond joke and into simply unbelievable territory..

http://schola-progenium.blogspot.com/2011/09/single-cry-in-darkness.html

Not sure what my chances would be of getting a copy in SK if I was so inclined, somewhere between a nothing and zero I guess.

I think he has his sums wrong -

$220 New Zealand dollars converts to £115 GBP approx.

Still bloody expensive though!

At £70 I would drop that money down in a heart beat if it had a FFG tag on it but with GW not a chance. If they bugger those rules up then they won't go back and fix it.

At least with Space Hulk you knew what you were getting and it was an expansion to some good old school GW board game love. This is something out of knowhere where its heart to like it when there is nothing to relate to.

I am seriously tempted. It's so incredibly expensive. I agree that I would have taken a lesser quality set of models for a $90 price tag instead of the $115 beast that it is.

I once read an article about budgeting your entertainment dollar, and the advice proffered in the article was that you should figure out exactly how much it's worth to you to be entertained for 1 hour and then do the math. Not "zoning out in front of the TV" entertained, but "sit up straight and get lost in it" entertained. Once you figure that hourly amount out, it's easy to see which purchases are more worth it and which are not. The example the article used was a video game versus a movie. If your hour of entertainment was worth $5, say, then going to a $10 movie for 2 hours is pretty much worth it immediately, while a $60 video game has to entertain you for 12 hours to be worth it.

There's no way I'm getting 24-30 hours of entertainment from Dreadfleet. Maybe if I include the painting time? So even though I want it, I will probably not get it.

I already pre-ordered mine. I enjoy the whole 'game in a box' concept. I think Dreadfleet will be great fun as a beer-n-pretzels game.

I had preordered about 5 minutes after it appeared on the website, just to ensure I got a copy. However today I cancelled my order, the best reaction I got at my gaming club was a "pffft, why?" so with no opponents and Games Day coming up, I figured it wasn't that good an investment for me to make. Plus I think I'd rather have the spare cash to spend at Games Day on Sunday adding to my army instead, at least then I won't feel even more guilty about any extra impulse buys I may make!

I think £70 (personally anyway) is at the point where I have to really justify it to myself whether I will get some use out of it, at least in the terms of wargaming hobby of course, and having just started playing fantasy again after 6 years out, I've got enough rules to learn as it is.

It seems like it's not selling as well as Space Hulk did so perhaps after next month's payday, if there's still any available, I'll pick one up, but not now, 5 days before Games Day! Strange release schedule, I hope they have copies out so we can have a go at least on Sunday, that may influence me a bit.

Hmm.

Mad4Minis wrote:

biccat wrote:96 page rulebook

WTF? Thats absolutely crazy.

As we can see from the previews, there' a 2-page spread (statline and fluff) for each ship. That's 20 pages right there before even getting into the backstory. And the rules pages seem to be over 50% illustrations and diagrams. Then there's scenarios... I doubt the actual rules text is dauntlessly long.

I am fortunate enough in the fact that I don't have to decide whether or not I want it. My GF preordered it using her money as soon as it posted on their website.

Getting it without having to pay for it = winning!

lord_blackfang wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

biccat wrote:96 page rulebook

WTF? Thats absolutely crazy.

As we can see from the previews, there' a 2-page spread (statline and fluff) for each ship. That's 20 pages right there before even getting into the backstory. And the rules pages seem to be over 50% illustrations and diagrams. Then there's scenarios... I doubt the actual rules text is dauntlessly long.

The rules for Carcassone fit on the front and back of an (about) A4 sheet of paper.

Scrabble rules are printed on the inside of the box cover.

Settlers of Catan are explained in 3-4 pages.

Lets look at DreadFleet:

Start with the 96 pages, subtract out the 20 pages for the ship spreads. Then cut the rest in half, assigning half to fluff (why do you need 30+ pages of fluff for a game in a box? I don't know, but we'll be generous) and half to rules. Again being generous we'll say that half of the rules is illustrations and diagrams. That still leaves 19 pages of rules.

Now I could be wrong, and it could be only 3-4 pages of actual rules content, which is pretty reasonable. However, if all of the rules can be explained in 3-4 pages, why have a 96 page rulebook?

Space Hulk 2nd edition (the one I have access to right now): 32 page rule book + larger book with scenarios and painting guide. Probably close to 70 pages total.

Since everyone seems to want to compare this to space hulk maybe that would be a better comparison for rule books.

You could also use the BoFA set as a good example. Table top game in a box. How long was that rule book?

biccat wrote:
The rules for Carcassone fit on the front and back of an (about) A4 sheet of paper.

Scrabble rules are printed on the inside of the box cover.

Settlers of Catan are explained in 3-4 pages.

And they're fine and dandy if you want to play with your pre-teen kids and maybe even invite grandpa along. Dreadfleet is probably not aimed at casuals (the raw sprues kinda give it away) but at gamers who like a little depth (hah, nautical pun!) How many pages is Descent, or Horus Heresy, or Space Hulk? That's probably more in the right ballpark. Hoping for something as in-depth as Monsterpocalypse (40 pages raw combat rules) is probably a bit too much to hope for.

Mad4Minis wrote:

biccat wrote:96 page rulebook

WTF? Thats absolutely crazy.

Yeah, who the hell wants those 12 different scenarios that form a campaign?

One off games of candyland are where it's at!

Really? You guys are are complaining about MORE content?

I have 30 coming into my store. Half are already spoken for over the weeked. At this rate I'll be sold out and begging GW to let me have more copies by the time it ships out. Hopefully can get more so I can have a big stack to sell through Christmas.