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I'm predicting Andrew Luck will flop, or just not do very well in the NFL, personally. I don't think he will be the next Brady.

My eyes are on who gets Landry Jones, the real prize. I THINK he will go in the top 20 picks, but he could go as far back as 30-35 I think, and it would be a true steal, a bit like Rodgers, as much as I hate him, was.

Yes, I am a HUGE Oklahoma fan, and very mad.

Colts will get the first pick and will draft Russell Wilson to replace Peyton Manning will either retire or be cut. Wilson will break all rookie records that Newton will set this year and for the next decade Rodgers, Newton and Wilson will be the three dominant QBs in the league.

Thank you Jags. Steelers are back in first.

Quarterbacks take at #1, Going back to the 1944 draft...
1944 Angelo Bertelli, played 3 years.
1946 Frank Dancewicz, played 3 years.
1948 Harry Gilmer, played 2 years.
1952 Bill Wade, played 13 years, 2 probowls.
1954 Bobby Garrett, played 1 year.
1955 George Shaw, played 8 years.
1958 King Hill, played 12 years.
1959 Randy Duncan, played 1 year.
1962 Roman Gabriel, played 16 years, 4 probowls.
1963 Terry Baker, played 3 years.
1964 Jack Concannon, played 10 years.
1970 *Terry Bradshaw played 14 years, 3 probowls.
1971 Jim Plunkett, played 15 years.
1975 Steve Bartkowski, played 12 years, 2 probowls.
1983 *John Elway, played 16 years, 10 probowls.
1987 Vinny Testaverde, played 21 years, 2 probowls.
1989 *Troy Aikman, played 12 years, 6 probowls.
1990 Jeff George, played 13 years.
1993 Drew Bledsoe, played 14 years, 4 probowls.
1998 Peyton Manning, played 11 years+, 9 probowls.
1999 Tim Couch, played 6 years.
2001 Michael Vick, played 6 years+, 3 probowls.
2002 David Carr, played 9+ years.
2003 Carson Palmer, played 6 years+, 2 probowls.
2004 Eli Manning, played 5 years+, 1 probowl.
2005 Alex Smith, played 4 years+.
2007 JaMarcus Russell, played 2 years.
2009 Matthew Stafford, played 2 years+.
2010 Sam Bradford, played 1 years+.
(*= Hall of Fame) (+= still playing)

A lot of success in the late 70s and 80s, but kinda meh overall, I think.

Brees has 2 ints in what appears to be a loss to the Rams and people want to say he's an elite QB on the level of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers? It's just his 4th multi int game of the year FFS.

What surprised me was the Rams had 6 sacks on Brees. But I predicted that one of the 0& teams would log a win today.

I think anyone who knows anything about football wouldn't be quick to dismiss a career 65.6% completion percentage, 38,000 yards, a Super Bowl win, career passer rating of 92.3, and a probable hall of fame career.

gorgon wrote:I think anyone who knows anything about football wouldn't be quick to dismiss a career 65.6% completion percentage, 38,000 yards, a Super Bowl win, career passer rating of 92.3, and a probable hall of fame career.

Exactly this.

Everyone, even QB's in the Hall of fame, have had their share of bad games.

Brett Favre* holds many NFL records, among them, he leads the league in Interceptions with 336.

*Not a Hall of fame QB, but will be for sure.

gorgon wrote:I think anyone who knows anything about football wouldn't be quick to dismiss a career 65.6% completion percentage, 38,000 yards, a Super Bowl win, career passer rating of 92.3, and a probable hall of fame career.

And that makes him as good as Brady, Manning, and Rogers because of what exactly?

It's no more silly than your putting Jr. in the same sentence as Brady and Manning this early. Yes, he's doing great. But it's early days yet.

DeathReaper wrote:Well the best team in the NFC North, and 2nd best overall in the NFC last year (The Chicago Bears) was there.

Along with a Team that was 10-6 (The Tampa Bay Bucs) who only failed to get into the playoffs because a 7-9 team (the Seattle Seahawks) won the NFC west division (a 10-6 team should never be left back from the playoffs because a 7-9 team won their division.)

So I would say they have two good teams representing the NFL. (Remember they make the schedules before preseason).

and they played at Wembley stadium in London.

you obviously don't understand divisions, the NFL or football

no way Seattle should have made the playoffs, and actually SF should have been made to stand in a line and be laughed at for being the worst team to win a division EVA


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DeathReaper wrote:

gorgon wrote:I think anyone who knows anything about football wouldn't be quick to dismiss a career 65.6% completion percentage, 38,000 yards, a Super Bowl win, career passer rating of 92.3, and a probable hall of fame career.

Exactly this.

Everyone, even QB's in the Hall of fame, have had their share of bad games.

Brett Favre* holds many NFL records, among them, he leads the league in Interceptions with 336.

*Not a Hall of fame QB, but will be for sure.

he was OK, I grew up in Wisconsin too.


He played too reckless for me. He holds the TD and INT records, not the best combo. Drew is the new Brett, no doubt about it.

Mannahnin wrote:It's no more silly than your putting Jr. in the same sentence as Brady and Manning this early. Yes, he's doing great. But it's early days yet.

The fact that Brees is an overrated turnover machine just completely escapes you, doesn't it? He's never deserved to be compared with Manning and Brady.

Rogers is certainly off to a great start this year, with 20 TD's to only 3 INT's. The packers have been very impressive and are certainly the team to beat. Could be the Superbowl champs, even. Well deserved if so.

The Texans have got to stop turning the ball over. Although they won yesterday, fumbles are keeping these games much closer than they should be. The next few weeks, our schedule is pretty weak. I'm hoping that even though we're toting more than our fair share of injuries that we'll be able to come out of this stretch with a respectible record and some healthy players as we near the end of the season.

Arian Foster and Ben Tate are really starting to get into a grove. Our offensive line has been great the last 2 games. I think we have a great chance of winning our division. We'll have to prove we can hang with the big boys, though. Other than the steelers, we haven't beaten anyone worth noting.

Uggggh.

My Broncos!

Give Brees the Packers' receiving corps and watch what he does. Saints have a decent bunch, but not in the Packers' league. Heck, if the Bears and Packers swapped receivers and o-lines, Cutler's QB rating would likely jump 10 points just as Rodgers would drop 10. Rodgers is terrific, but he also has a very good team around him -- including a more-or-less interchangeable bunch of big, strong receivers who can get down the field and are right where they're supposed to be.

@Amaya -- It's usually good to keep some perspective. Your Brees comment showed none. Should I cherry-pick some of Rodgers' games last year and draw conclusions from that? Such as two sub-60 QB rating games and a few more under 80?

Your boy and team are playing great this year, but Rodgers still has a career ahead of him just as your team still has a season ahead of them.

Tebow = Fail.

gorgon wrote:Give Brees the Packers' receiving corps and watch what he does. Saints have a decent bunch, but not in the Packers' league. Heck, if the Bears and Packers swapped receivers and o-lines, Cutler's QB rating would likely jump 10 points just as Rodgers would drop 10. Rodgers is terrific, but he also has a very good team around him -- including a more-or-less interchangeable bunch of big, strong receivers who can get down the field and are right where they're supposed to be.

@Amaya -- It's usually good to keep some perspective. Your Brees comment showed none. Should I cherry-pick some of Rodgers' games last year and draw conclusions from that? Such as two sub-60 QB rating games and a few more under 80?

Your boy and team are playing great this year, but Rodgers still has a career ahead of him just as your team still has a season ahead of them.

I didn't cherry pick anything, you just refuse to face the facts.

Brees has played 8 games this year and thrown 2 or more interceptions in half of them. In Rodgers 54 career starts he has only thrown multiple interceptions in 7 games.

There's no comparison to make, Brees is sloppy with the ball and Rodgers throws interceptions at a lower rate than anyone else in NFL history.

The whole "well, Rodgers has had a couple good years, it doesn't mean anything" line of thinking is asinine. He hasn't or is just now hitting his prime. He has 3 excellent years as a starter under his belt and not a single bad one. How can you assume that he's suddenly going to fall off?

Just going by this season...
Rodgers has 20 tds to 3 ints and 171 completions on 239 attempts. (71.5%)
Brady has 18 tds to 8 ints and 184 comp on 272 att. (67.6%)
Brees has 19 tds to 10 ints and 242 comp on 343 att. (70.6%)
Brees has also bee sacked 19 times to Brady's 14 and Rodgers' 16.... Roethlisberger has the most there at 25.

DIDM wrote:
you obviously don't understand divisions, the NFL or football

no way Seattle should have made the playoffs, and actually SF should have been made to stand in a line and be laughed at for being the worst team to win a division EVA

I have a very good grasp of divisions, the NFL and football as a sport.

a 7-9 team would have NEVER made the playoffs when there were only 3 divisions (The east, central, and the west).

the fact that a 7-9 team won their division tells us the system as it stands is flawed. this was the ultimate point i was trying to make. a 7-9 team should never beat out a 10-6 team for a playoff spot (Not that they were in competition, but you get the point)

Usually we have the 6 best teams in the playoffs, but not always.

True but unfortunately the NFC West is currently weak and only major changes to those teams is going to change that.
Maybe the proposed expansion that is looking to add a team in LA will help that division.

Any bold predictions for next week? Enough talk on the sissy QBs.

Which team will lead in sacks against which sissy QB?

Amaya wrote:

gorgon wrote:Give Brees the Packers' receiving corps and watch what he does. Saints have a decent bunch, but not in the Packers' league. Heck, if the Bears and Packers swapped receivers and o-lines, Cutler's QB rating would likely jump 10 points just as Rodgers would drop 10. Rodgers is terrific, but he also has a very good team around him -- including a more-or-less interchangeable bunch of big, strong receivers who can get down the field and are right where they're supposed to be.

@Amaya -- It's usually good to keep some perspective. Your Brees comment showed none. Should I cherry-pick some of Rodgers' games last year and draw conclusions from that? Such as two sub-60 QB rating games and a few more under 80?

Your boy and team are playing great this year, but Rodgers still has a career ahead of him just as your team still has a season ahead of them.

I didn't cherry pick anything, you just refuse to face the facts.

Brees has played 8 games this year and thrown 2 or more interceptions in half of them. In Rodgers 54 career starts he has only thrown multiple interceptions in 7 games.

There's no comparison to make, Brees is sloppy with the ball and Rodgers throws interceptions at a lower rate than anyone else in NFL history.

The whole "well, Rodgers has had a couple good years, it doesn't mean anything" line of thinking is asinine. He hasn't or is just now hitting his prime. He has 3 excellent years as a starter under his belt and not a single bad one. How can you assume that he's suddenly going to fall off?

Because the NFL isn't frozen in amber. Players leave as free agents. Other teams improve. Coaches adjust. Injuries happen...to the supporting cast or the QB himself. See Palmer, Carson for a prime example. You can't extrapolate careers based on small sample sizes of statistics, especially in football. No one thought that Dan Marino's second season would be the apex of his career, yet it was due to some of the factors mentioned above. Still a HoFer and probably the greatest pure passer ever, but his career still never ended up following the line that people were projecting for him.

I think judging careers on 1 or 8 or even 54 games is madness, but whatever floats your boat. *shrug* Personally, I blame fantasy football for distorting the perspectives of an entire generation.

Something that can't be argued against is that Peyton Manning is a much better pitchman than Rodgers. Rodgers is as stiff as Al Gore in that unfunny State Farm commercial. I'll take "cut that meat" over that one anyday.

Next weeks games....
Seattle over Dallas (ok this is just because I am a Philly fan).
Atlanta over Indy.
Buffalo over the Jets.
Frisco over Washington.
Miami over KC.
Houston over Cleveland.
Tampa over Nola.
Cincy over Tennessee.
Oakland over Denver.
NE over NYG.
St Loius over Arizona.
Green Bay over SD.
Balti over Pitts.
Monday: Philly over Chicago.


C&C?

helgrenze wrote:Next weeks games....
Seattle over Dallas (ok this is just because I am a Philly fan). Unlikely, but not too out there considering its the Cowboys.
Atlanta over Indy. Obvious
Buffalo over the Jets. Not sure yet. I really like Buffalo this year, so it should be a close game.
Frisco over Washington. I'd say so.
Miami over KC. No
Houston over Cleveland. Obvious
Tampa over Nola. Yes
Cincy over Tennessee. Close game, but I would agree.
Oakland over Denver. Definitely
NE over NYG. Yes, no doubt
St Loius over Arizona. I would say this as well
Green Bay over SD. Indeed..looks like SD are going to be 4-4. Though it would be highly entertaining if GB's first loss was to a outbreak of Rivers.
Balti over Pitts. Yes sir, Ravens get back in the groove.
Monday: Philly over Chicago. Hell fething no. Our O-Line is going to decide to actually play this game, and Cutler is going to have a QB rating of OVER 9000!!!! Oh, and we are going to run the ball through your gakky run defense until Vick cries.


C&C?

helgrenze wrote:True but unfortunately the NFC West is currently weak and only major changes to those teams is going to change that.
Maybe the proposed expansion that is looking to add a team in LA will help that division.

Al is dead and Oakland has a descent team. I see them killing the NFC West for a long time to come starting next year.


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DIDM wrote:

helgrenze wrote:True but unfortunately the NFC West is currently weak and only major changes to those teams is going to change that.
Maybe the proposed expansion that is looking to add a team in LA will help that division.

Al is dead and Oakland has a descent team. I see them killing the NFC West for a long time to come starting next year.

I'm going to A Chargers bar in a Mathews jersey and will change into the Rodgers All Star jersey at half time.


Packers 38 Chargers 13

gorgon wrote:

Amaya wrote:

gorgon wrote:Give Brees the Packers' receiving corps and watch what he does. Saints have a decent bunch, but not in the Packers' league. Heck, if the Bears and Packers swapped receivers and o-lines, Cutler's QB rating would likely jump 10 points just as Rodgers would drop 10. Rodgers is terrific, but he also has a very good team around him -- including a more-or-less interchangeable bunch of big, strong receivers who can get down the field and are right where they're supposed to be.

@Amaya -- It's usually good to keep some perspective. Your Brees comment showed none. Should I cherry-pick some of Rodgers' games last year and draw conclusions from that? Such as two sub-60 QB rating games and a few more under 80?

Your boy and team are playing great this year, but Rodgers still has a career ahead of him just as your team still has a season ahead of them.

I didn't cherry pick anything, you just refuse to face the facts.

Brees has played 8 games this year and thrown 2 or more interceptions in half of them. In Rodgers 54 career starts he has only thrown multiple interceptions in 7 games.

There's no comparison to make, Brees is sloppy with the ball and Rodgers throws interceptions at a lower rate than anyone else in NFL history.

The whole "well, Rodgers has had a couple good years, it doesn't mean anything" line of thinking is asinine. He hasn't or is just now hitting his prime. He has 3 excellent years as a starter under his belt and not a single bad one. How can you assume that he's suddenly going to fall off?

Because the NFL isn't frozen in amber. Players leave as free agents. Other teams improve. Coaches adjust. Injuries happen...to the supporting cast or the QB himself. See Palmer, Carson for a prime example. You can't extrapolate careers based on small sample sizes of statistics, especially in football. No one thought that Dan Marino's second season would be the apex of his career, yet it was due to some of the factors mentioned above. Still a HoFer and probably the greatest pure passer ever, but his career still never ended up following the line that people were projecting for him.

I think judging careers on 1 or 8 or even 54 games is madness, but whatever floats your boat. *shrug* Personally, I blame fantasy football for distorting the perspectives of an entire generation.

Something that can't be argued against is that Peyton Manning is a much better pitchman than Rodgers. Rodgers is as stiff as Al Gore in that unfunny State Farm commercial. I'll take "cut that meat" over that one anyday.

Over the last 3.5 years.

Brees 120 TDs, 60 INTs
Rodgers 106 TDs, 34 INTs

What part of that is complicated exactly?

Karon wrote:

helgrenze wrote:Monday: Philly over Chicago. Hell fething no. Our O-Line is going to decide to actually play this game, and Cutler is going to have a QB rating of OVER 9000!!!! Oh, and we are going to run the ball through your gakky run defense until Vick cries.

C&C?

Future quote from Jay Cutler following Monday nights game, " My god, It's full of Stars!" In answer to what the night sky over Philly looks like.
Predictions... Pick-6 by Asomugha. Shady gets 150+ and a TD, Celek gets 100 and TD. Cutler gets chased from one end of the field to the other by Cole and Babin.


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Amaya wrote:

gorgon wrote:

Amaya wrote:

gorgon wrote:Give Brees the Packers' receiving corps and watch what he does. Saints have a decent bunch, but not in the Packers' league. Heck, if the Bears and Packers swapped receivers and o-lines, Cutler's QB rating would likely jump 10 points just as Rodgers would drop 10. Rodgers is terrific, but he also has a very good team around him -- including a more-or-less interchangeable bunch of big, strong receivers who can get down the field and are right where they're supposed to be.

@Amaya -- It's usually good to keep some perspective. Your Brees comment showed none. Should I cherry-pick some of Rodgers' games last year and draw conclusions from that? Such as two sub-60 QB rating games and a few more under 80?

Your boy and team are playing great this year, but Rodgers still has a career ahead of him just as your team still has a season ahead of them.

I didn't cherry pick anything, you just refuse to face the facts.

Brees has played 8 games this year and thrown 2 or more interceptions in half of them. In Rodgers 54 career starts he has only thrown multiple interceptions in 7 games.

There's no comparison to make, Brees is sloppy with the ball and Rodgers throws interceptions at a lower rate than anyone else in NFL history.

The whole "well, Rodgers has had a couple good years, it doesn't mean anything" line of thinking is asinine. He hasn't or is just now hitting his prime. He has 3 excellent years as a starter under his belt and not a single bad one. How can you assume that he's suddenly going to fall off?

Because the NFL isn't frozen in amber. Players leave as free agents. Other teams improve. Coaches adjust. Injuries happen...to the supporting cast or the QB himself. See Palmer, Carson for a prime example. You can't extrapolate careers based on small sample sizes of statistics, especially in football. No one thought that Dan Marino's second season would be the apex of his career, yet it was due to some of the factors mentioned above. Still a HoFer and probably the greatest pure passer ever, but his career still never ended up following the line that people were projecting for him.

I think judging careers on 1 or 8 or even 54 games is madness, but whatever floats your boat. *shrug* Personally, I blame fantasy football for distorting the perspectives of an entire generation.

Something that can't be argued against is that Peyton Manning is a much better pitchman than Rodgers. Rodgers is as stiff as Al Gore in that unfunny State Farm commercial. I'll take "cut that meat" over that one anyday.

Over the last 3.5 years.

Brees 120 TDs, 60 INTs
Rodgers 106 TDs, 34 INTs

What part of that is complicated exactly?

Lets see.. in that same time period,
Brees averaged just under 70% completeion rate, Just under 300 yds per game, and @8 yards per attempt.
Rodgers averaged @65% completion rate, 270 yards per game, and just over 8 yards per attempt.

Does 14 more TDs, and 30 more yards a game justify 26 more interceptions?

Well those numbers are based on Brees 2150 attempts to Rodgers 1723 over that period.
Brees is throwing, on average, 100 more passes per season.
That works out to a TD every 18 passes and an Int every 36.
Rodgers gets a Td every 16 passes and an int every 50.

helgrenze wrote:Well those numbers are based on Brees 2150 attempts to Rodgers 1723 over that period.
Brees is throwing, on average, 100 more passes per season.
That works out to a TD every 18 passes and an Int every 36.
Rodgers gets a Td every 16 passes and an int every 50.

MPE

Today Rodgers is at 4 TDs 0 Ints and Brees had 2 and 1. 24 and 3 on the year to 21 and 11. Not complicated here guys.