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AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:Not all advanced technology is mechanical... It amused me reading the Poll to find Necrons at the top of it all. Considering they (to my knowledge) no longer manufacture new technology, and the vast majority of theirs is millennia old.

I voted Tyranid. Due largely that they are the pinnacle of evolution. They adapt perfectly to any given threat/situation. Every threat they have met, they have found a way to evolved to beat it. The hive mind has the perfect weapon, The Tyranid genus ^_^


well thats my two cents

List of races with planet-sized super starships capable of destroying fleets of other ships:

Necrons.

List of races with a super weapon that can destroy any star in the galaxy with the press of a button:

Necrons

List of races with a handheld weapon they can build that can punch a hole into the core of a mountain:

Necrons

List of races who have cut to pieces and then compressed a race of star gods into Necrodermis bodies:

Necrons

The list goes on and on my friend.

This is a non-argument honestly. The fluff is consistent and blunt on this: The Necrons are the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, bar none.

The fluff is also balls, the very idea that the Necrontyre have risen up against the C'tan is just plain stupid... but thats another discussion.


List of Races to wipe out countless Galaxies:

Tyranids.

List of Races to wipe out countless Races:

Tyranids.

List of Races to consistently win against every race they have encountered:

Tyranids.

Joking aside, this poll and thread was created as a way of people expressing opinion, not just to brow beat and smack people upside the head stating fluff. Personally I chose the Tyranids. because after they have devoured every last remnant of biomass in this galaxy, they will move on and do the same again, and again, and again, and again.... etc. While the Necrons sit in/on their tomb-worlds scratching their metallic butts

This thread isn't about the most dangerous, but about the most technologically advanced. Nids are not techy.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:The fluff is also balls, the very idea that the Necrontyre have risen up against the C'tan is just plain stupid... but thats another discussion.

I agree, but irrelevant.

List of Races to wipe out countless Galaxies:

Tyranids.

Irrelevant to technology, and what, you can't count to twelve?

Dozen is the number given

List of Races to wipe out countless Races:

Tyranids.

Irrelevant.

List of Races to consistently win against every race they have encountered:

Tyranids.

The Tyranids have a rather bad track record against the Necrons actually, especially in fleet combat.

Joking aside, this poll and thread was created as a way of people expressing opinion, not just to brow beat and smack people upside the head stating fluff. Personally I chose the Tyranids. because after they have devoured every last remnant of biomass in this galaxy, they will move on and do the same again, and again, and again, and again.... etc. While the Necrons sit in/on their tomb-worlds scratching their metallic butts

But the Tyranids are going to be wiped out by the other races. Probably the Orks or Necrons, actually.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:This thread isn't about the most dangerous, but about the most technologically advanced. Nids are not techy.

What isn't techy about naturally evolved biological weaponary?

All you have to do to wipe out the Tyranids is let enough Orks know where the fight is gonna be. Orks be damn right unbeatable if they all joined up.


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AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:This thread isn't about the most dangerous, but about the most technologically advanced. Nids are not techy.

What isn't techy about naturally evolved biological weaponary?

Again, does the Tyranids as a whole understand it? Probably not. They are damned good at one single type of tech, and they as a whole really do not understand it. So yeah they are bottom ol the pile.

Ledabot wrote:Restrain yourselves and pick nice fights.

I don't believe that psychic powers should be brought to the table in this discussion. There are some fine lines with some factions such as craftworld eldar but we are trying to focus on tech, not magic.

I wouldn't vote for either the Iom myself or Tau. While Tau tech is advanced and improving, the story has not advanced far enough for them to be competing directly with the top tech faction eldar and crons yet. They can use plasma? Cool! Who can't?

I also wouldn't instantly omit Nids from the discussion ether. People say things like they're bugs, they don't have technology, but that’s wrong. They only exist because of there nutty good bio engineering abilities. I doubt that anyone has skill in that area better than any of the other factions.

Basicly my more refined outlines for the discussion, you can find the post around pg 3. Since the thread revived, I'll move it foward a bit.

Void__Dragon wrote:Irrelevant to technology, and what, you can't count to twelve?

Dozen is the number given

the quote doesnt give an exact number, this was argued the other day on a different thread.

Void__Dragon wrote:But the Tyranids are going to be wiped out by the other races. Probably the Orks or Necrons, actually.

lol that amused me, for someone who quotes canon at me, you like to make laugh a lot with your funny funny theorys

I feel that it is probably Eldar, because of the Webway. This may be magic and not technology, but the two seem mostly indistinguishable in 40k.

Ledabot wrote:

Ledabot wrote:Restrain yourselves and pick nice fights.

I don't believe that psychic powers should be brought to the table in this discussion. There are some fine lines with some factions such as craftworld eldar but we are trying to focus on tech, not magic.

I wouldn't vote for either the Iom myself or Tau. While Tau tech is advanced and improving, the story has not advanced far enough for them to be competing directly with the top tech faction eldar and crons yet. They can use plasma? Cool! Who can't?

I also wouldn't instantly omit Nids from the discussion ether. People say things like they're bugs, they don't have technology, but that’s wrong. They only exist because of there nutty good bio engineering abilities. I doubt that anyone has skill in that area better than any of the other factions.

Basicly my more refined outlines for the discussion, you can find the post around pg 3. Since the thread revived, I'll move it foward a bit.

and with that I shall leave it be ^_^


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Doctor Khorne wrote:I feel that it is probably Eldar, because of the Webway. This may be magic and not technology, but the two seem mostly indistinguishable in 40k.

Magic tends to be unexplainable science in some way or another, so it's entirely likely.

Oh, I want to play!

Only race that has developed the ability to make their technology faster merely with a coat of coloured paint?

Orks.

Only race that has developed a coherent, consistent, dental based economic model?

Orks.

Only race technologically savvy enough to loot make use of the tech of other races?

Orks.

Only race able to rapidly imitate and adopt the technological concepts of their opponents?

Orks.

Only race able to piece together scrap in such an effective way that MacGuyver hides his pocket knife and bubblegum in shame?

Orks.

Only race that not only adopts the tech of their opponents, but ah... "improves" upon it, by their own standards?

Orks.

DrimGark wrote:Oh, I want to play!

Only race that has developed the ability to make their technology faster merely with a coat of coloured paint?

Orks.

Only race that has developed a coherent, consistent, dental based economic model?

Orks.

Only race technologically savvy enough to loot make use of the tech of other races?

Orks.

Only race able to rapidly imitate and adopt the technological concepts of their opponents?

Orks.

Only race able to piece together scrap in such an effective way that MacGuyver hides his pocket knife and bubblegum in shame?

Orks.

Only race that not only adopts the tech of their opponents, but ah... "improves" upon it, by their own standards?

Orks.

LMAO, you bad bad bad man/fungus

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:
List of Races to wipe out countless Races:

Tyranids.

Actually, Humanity joins that list, and the Orks almost certainly do so as well.

Void__Dragon wrote:The Tyranids have a rather bad track record against the Necrons actually, especially in fleet combat.

Well, one Necron Dynasty has lost badly against the Tyranids, although they may have mostly been sleeping and I'm not sure why the Tyranids actually delved into the Tombs.

I don't think ether of you are making good points with your lists. Most things you’re putting on them are quite irreverent. It just looks like trolling. Ultimately your choice is based on opinion due to the lack of unbiased evidence, but at least try and look past the faction you play before you go and ruin my thread.

Hunterindarkness wrote: All you have to do to wipe out the Tyranids is let enough Orks know where the fight is gonna be. Orks be damn right unbeatable if they all joined up.


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AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:This thread isn't about the most dangerous, but about the most technologically advanced. Nids are not techy.

What isn't techy about naturally evolved biological weaponary?

Again, does the Tyranids as a whole understand it? Probably not. They are damned good at one single type of tech, and they as a whole really do not understand it. So yeah they are bottom ol the pile.

Saying Tyranids aren't advanced is saying that only one form of technology is valid as advanced. That is the same a Adeptus Mechanicus saying only human technology is blessed by the Machine god and therefore pure and not wicked alien techno-sorcery. Our form of technology isn't the only form in 40K. Saying Tyranids aren't advanced is just ego and only valid when viewed from a point of view that says our way is best and the more like us you are the more advanced you are.

The arguments against Tyranids being advanced is that their version of technology is very different from our own, created in a manner ours never could be created and is therefore not advanced. Looking at it from the other side of the coin human, Eldar, Ork and Necron technology only exists due to the weakness of those races and is very slow to advance with only a select few having the knowledge to made it work and build it. Tyranids on the other hand are always able to mutate and evolve from a few organisms into a planet-eating swarm.

It has never been proven that Tyranids don't know how their biology works, nobody has ever been able to understand to what extent the Hive Mind controls Tyranid evolution. Also it has been made clear that all people know is that Tyranids evolve, how they do it isn't known. Necrons are supposed to be advanced, but advancement means they understand and can control their technology to their own benefit. This is not the case with the Necrons because their own technology made them extinct. They are now machines based upon living beings and their personalities that died out millions of years ago. In that regard Necrons don't understand their technology because they let it destroy them (an undeniable design flaw if your advanced machines lead to your own extinction) and because they are all dead it's just what they left behind, running on automatic.

Also Tyranids are very good at destroying Necrons. The Silent king the original Necron ruler knows if he can't unite all the Necrons against the Tyranids they will have no chance against them.

nomotog wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

DrimGark wrote:For all practical purposes, "technology" in 40k is "magic nonsense".

Consider:
A ramshakle ork flier that has no right getting off the ground in the first place, let alone being an effective war machine. Why does it defy physics so? Ork gestalt psychic power making it work because they believe/know it works. Perhaps it is even painted red.


Compare:
A Tau skyray. It "looks" aerodynamic and sleek, but merely looking the part isn't going to get you off the ground (unless you are the above Ork, I suppose). It has no more right to be hovering about than the Ork flier has to be in the air. Why does it defy physics so? Anti-gravity devices, clearly! Because those totally aren't an impossibility. (Seriously, there was a special on TV about Sci-fi tech, and a pair of physicists ripped these things apart, while clips from the Clone Wars movie played.) It isn't any less silly than the Ork gestalt.
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Anti-gravity is only impossable with our current understanding of the natural universe. We still don't even know what gravity is exactly or how it works. It is entirely possable that Gravity is actually caused by some sub-atomic particle that can be manipulated with an EM field.

And the Tau and Eldar anti-grav technology may not be anti-gravity at all. Maybe they have a pressure generator that creates a cushion of air underneath their vehicles, similer to a hover craft, that allows them to glide along with minimal effort.

The Imperium doesn't have anti-grav technology, but rather has plates that keep the speeder up by repelling the planets magnetic field. and as such speeders don't work on planets without magnetic fields.

Are you sure about speeders? Where did you read that?

Space Marine codex under the Land Speeders. It mentions they skim the planets magnetic field. The fact it wouldn't work on a planet without one is just a logical conclusion.

Leech wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote: All you have to do to wipe out the Tyranids is let enough Orks know where the fight is gonna be. Orks be damn right unbeatable if they all joined up.


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AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:This thread isn't about the most dangerous, but about the most technologically advanced. Nids are not techy.

What isn't techy about naturally evolved biological weaponary?

Again, does the Tyranids as a whole understand it? Probably not. They are damned good at one single type of tech, and they as a whole really do not understand it. So yeah they are bottom ol the pile.

Saying Tyranids aren't advanced is saying that only one form of technology is valid as advanced. That is the same a Adeptus Mechanicus saying only human technology is blessed by the Machine god and therefore pure and not wicked alien techno-sorcery. Our form of technology isn't the only form in 40K. Saying Tyranids aren't advanced is just ego and only valid when viewed from a point of view that says our way is best and the more like us you are the more advanced you are.

The arguments against Tyranids being advanced is that their version of technology is very different from our own, created in a manner ours never could be created and is therefore not advanced. Looking at it from the other side of the coin human, Eldar, Ork and Necron technology only exists due to the weakness of those races and is very slow to advance with only a select few having the knowledge to made it work and build it. Tyranids on the other hand are always able to mutate and evolve from a few organisms into a planet-eating swarm.

It has never been proven that Tyranids don't know how their biology works, nobody has ever been able to understand to what extent the Hive Mind controls Tyranid evolution. Also it has been made clear that all people know is that Tyranids evolve, how they do it isn't known. Necrons are supposed to be advanced, but advancement means they understand and can control their technology to their own benefit. This is not the case with the Necrons because their own technology made them extinct. They are now machines based upon living beings and their personalities that died out millions of years ago. In that regard Necrons don't understand their technology because they let it destroy them (an undeniable design flaw if your advanced machines lead to your own extinction) and because they are all dead it's just what they left behind, running on automatic.

Also Tyranids are very good at destroying Necrons. The Silent king the original Necron ruler knows if he can't unite all the Necrons against the Tyranids they will have no chance against them.

This.

This is my argument exactly, thank you!

Good that we have established that

BTW, after spending some time thinking, my definition of technology:
TECH is not TECHNOLOGY

Technology is method to describe production of tools which can be taught to be used, modified and improved by others.

So, Chaos instruments are generally out - you must have presence in the warp to use it, and for most things you simply depend on other very special beings. Same goes for most cool things CWE.

On other hand DE, necron, human or tau technologies can be taught to anyone( if there's teachers) - they're just that, technologies.

Orkz and tyranids are things apart - first are instinct-driven ( so while their TECH can be very advanced, their TECHNOLOGY is non-existent), second had no need for technology - they're esentially single being which simply remembers .

chyron wrote:BTW, after spending some time thinking, my definition of technology:

Technology is method to describe production of tools which can be taught to be used, modified and improved by others.

So, Chaos instruments are generally out - you must have presence in the warp to use it, and after some level you simply depend on few semi-omnipotent beings. Same goes for most the things CWE.

On other hand DE, necron, human or tau technologies can be taught to anyone( if there's teachers) - they're just that, technologies.

Orkz and tyranids are things apart - first are instinct-driven ( so while their TECH can be very advanced, their TECHNOLOGY is non-existent), second had no need for technology - they're esentially single being which simply remembers .

That is some extremely selective thinking you have there. The Tyranid race is not instinct driven. They are driven by the Hive Mind conciousness, that knows fully what it is doing. it is sentient. its will is imparted to every corner of the race, giving it purpose and reason. Its technology is selectively bred from countless species genetic data in an attempt to better the entire race. just because one gun is organic and fires beetles and another is made from metal and cordite doesnt make it unworthy of the title "technology"

Definitely Necrons due to the fact that they have existed longer than any other race and can manifest out of anywhere and can survive any damage that they sustain

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:
List of Races to consistently win against every race they have encountered:

Tyranids.

I think Humanity and Orks have something to add to this comment...

Mentlegen324 wrote:Definately the Necrons. I'd say either Imperium (Atleast the older technology) or Tau are 2nd.

Harriticus wrote:Necrons > Eldar/Dark Eldar > Tau > Imperium > Orks

Tyranids really can't be judged alongside the others.

Is Eldar technology actually that advanced? I thought it was mostly reliant on Psykers.

The dark eldar don't

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:This thread isn't about the most dangerous, but about the most technologically advanced. Nids are not techy.

What isn't techy about naturally evolved biological weaponary?

Naturally evolved biological weaponry is about as techy as my ability to snort mucus and spit it at somebody.
By your definition, doing so makes me outrageously technologically advanced?

Necrons don't have technology.

Necrons have comical undead-in-space and 1930's sci-fi tropes (like "death ray" and green bbbzzzzzz-beams") that have been given some random techno-babble explanation as a fig-leaf to shoehorn them into a "space"-setting. Same for Knights/Vikings/Vampires/Romans-in-space. None of their "gear" really qualifies as "technology" really.

Actually, the only reason the silent king wants to unite the crons and stp the nods is so the crons can have living beings to transfer back into.

Zweischneid wrote:Necrons don't have technology.

Necrons have comical undead-in-space and 1930's sci-fi tropes (like "death ray" and green bbbzzzzzz-beams") that have been given some random techno-babble explanation as a fig-leaf to shoehorn them into a "space"-setting. Same for Knights/Vikings/Vampires/Romans-in-space. None of their "gear" really qualifies as "technology" really.

lol a man after my own heart

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

That is some extremely selective thinking you have there. The Tyranid race is not instinct driven. They are driven by the Hive Mind conciousness, that knows fully what it is doing. it is sentient. its will is imparted to every corner of the race, giving it purpose and reason. Its technology is selectively bred from countless species genetic data in an attempt to better the entire race. just because one gun is organic and fires beetles and another is made from metal and cordite doesnt make it unworthy of the title "technology"

I see very selective and unfocused reading too - why you attribute my words 'bout Orkz to Tyranid?
And you surely didn't read first words in BOLD.

Zweischneid wrote:Necrons don't have technology.

Necrons have comical undead-in-space and 1930's sci-fi tropes (like "death ray" and green bbbzzzzzz-beams") that have been given some random techno-babble explanation as a fig-leaf to shoehorn them into a "space"-setting. Same for Knights/Vikings/Vampires/Romans-in-space. None of their "gear" really qualifies as "technology" really.

If somebody were to convey the idea of cars, smart phones, wireless fidelity, etc. to somebody who lived 1500 years ago, I imagine their reply would look something like yours.
Not understanding something has no connection with whether or not it's possible.

In a setting 40,000 years into the future?... I don't understand how people can justify saying "It's all magic nonsense! There is no technology because none of it is possible!" Hmm. Maybe you something about the distant future that the rest of us don't... But my first assumption is that your definition of technology is suspect.
Just like the one who says Tyranids are 'technologically' (instead of biologically) advanced.

Archonate wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Necrons don't have technology.

Necrons have comical undead-in-space and 1930's sci-fi tropes (like "death ray" and green bbbzzzzzz-beams") that have been given some random techno-babble explanation as a fig-leaf to shoehorn them into a "space"-setting. Same for Knights/Vikings/Vampires/Romans-in-space. None of their "gear" really qualifies as "technology" really.

If somebody were to convey the idea of cars, smart phones, wireless fidelity, etc. to somebody who lived 1500 years ago, I imagine their reply would look something like yours.
Not understanding something has no connection with whether or not it's possible.

In a setting 40,000 years into the future?... I don't understand how people can justify saying "It's all magic nonsense! There is no technology because none of it is possible!" Hmm. Maybe you something about the distant future that the rest of us don't... But my first assumption is that your definition of technology is suspect.
Just like the one who says Tyranids are 'technologically' (instead of biologically) advanced.

I agree it is a bad thing to say that Necrons are just comical types with random techno-babble to explain them. Asking that technology from a sci-fi game of the far future be explained is unreasonable. Most people if asked to explain today's technology would no be able to. Just knowing that their net connection uses bandwidth is not understanding, for all most people know bandwidth means pixie-beams sent by Rainbow bright from the mushroom planet.

I think that being biologically advanced is as valid as being technologically advanced. There is no reason at all why technological advancement is superior to biological advancement. That view is based on an unfounded assumption that human/human-like forms of technology are the best and all others must be measured against it, there is no reason it should not be the other way around. All the evidence of modern science says bio-tech is superior, it is harder to create needing much greater skill. It is also far more flexible with more potential set to eventually replace most conventional technology with better results when mastered.

Zweischneid wrote:Necrons don't have technology.

Necrons have comical undead-in-space and 1930's sci-fi tropes (like "death ray" and green bbbzzzzzz-beams") that have been given some random techno-babble explanation as a fig-leaf to shoehorn them into a "space"-setting. Same for Knights/Vikings/Vampires/Romans-in-space. None of their "gear" really qualifies as "technology" really.

Are you under the impression that this is not true for all of 40k?

Science Fiction doesn't get much softer than 40k, short of gak like Gurren Lagaan. It's basically fantasy in spehss.

Orks have paint that makes their trukks go faster just by the virtue of being red. That's pretty advanced right?