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I'd say Necrons, but that's because I'm not sure whether the Tyranid's bio-technology counts. If it does, then Tyranids.

Leech wrote:
Also Tyranids are very good at destroying Necrons. The Silent king the original Necron ruler knows if he can't unite all the Necrons against the Tyranids they will have no chance against them.

SOOOOO wrong. If he doesn't unite the Necrons in time, they won't have any potential flesh and blood test subjects for them to figure out how to reverse the biotransference.

King Pariah wrote:

Leech wrote:
Also Tyranids are very good at destroying Necrons. The Silent king the original Necron ruler knows if he can't unite all the Necrons against the Tyranids they will have no chance against them.

SOOOOO wrong. If he doesn't unite the Necrons in time, they won't have any potential flesh and blood test subjects for them to figure out how to reverse the biotransference.

The Necrons would use Tyranids for their biotransference if they could. This strongly indicates that the Necrons won't have the needed military power to achieve this if the Tyranids consume the galaxy. The Silent king also is only working on his own and possibly others limited information on the Tyranids. Tyranids can also eat Necrons. Metals are an important part of a balanced diet, there is enough iron in a persons blood to make an iron nail. The metals of Necrons would make them quite edible.

Necrons>Imperium>Tau

This is just my take on this topic.
If the Imperium was not in such a stagnate with it's tech it might just rivel the necrons given the access to resoures manpower and reasearch facillites that it already has access to.

Archonate wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Necrons don't have technology.

Necrons have comical undead-in-space and 1930's sci-fi tropes (like "death ray" and green bbbzzzzzz-beams") that have been given some random techno-babble explanation as a fig-leaf to shoehorn them into a "space"-setting. Same for Knights/Vikings/Vampires/Romans-in-space. None of their "gear" really qualifies as "technology" really.

If somebody were to convey the idea of cars, smart phones, wireless fidelity, etc. to somebody who lived 1500 years ago, I imagine their reply would look something like yours.
Not understanding something has no connection with whether or not it's possible.

In a setting 40,000 years into the future?... I don't understand how people can justify saying "It's all magic nonsense! There is no technology because none of it is possible!" Hmm. Maybe you something about the distant future that the rest of us don't... But my first assumption is that your definition of technology is suspect.
Just like the one who says Tyranids are 'technologically' (instead of biologically) advanced.

I am not disputing that a sci-fi setting set 40.000 years in the future might include some pretty astonishing, almost "magical" marvels. But 40K is not that setting.

They don't even try or intent to give a technologically coherent vision of a possible future. They try to re-create "non-sci-fi" tropes and than attribute random "techno-babble" to make them fit.

There is a difference between this and the former.

Tau, faster than light travel, Plasma and Fusion tech, no gets hot, railguns.

The Necrons are advanced but static, the Tau are young and rapidly driving their technology forward. By 42 Millienium the Tau would be unstoppable, lucky the 'nids are gonna feast on them first.

Tau faster than light travel sucks compared to everyone else's

Yeah it does, but is safer. However given enough time they are likely to vastly improve it. They might even do something like a warp version of web way corridors that ride the outer edge.

mwnciboo wrote:Tau, faster than light travel, Plasma and Fusion tech, no gets hot, railguns.

The Necrons are advanced but static, the Tau are young and rapidly driving their technology forward. By 42 Millienium the Tau would be unstoppable, lucky the 'nids are gonna feast on them first.

People keep saying the Necrons are static but there's no evidence for this. They aren't held back by dogma like the Ad-Mech in fact if anything they are moving forward still. Crypteks are pretty much scientists after all. As an example in "Hammer and Anvil" the Cryptek Ossuar was gleefully dissecting humans and doing all sorts of diabolical research.

Of course when you have time travelling planets, teleportation, and the like there's isn't much left to achieve.

asimo77 wrote:

People keep saying the Necrons are static but there's no evidence for this. They aren't held back by dogma like the Ad-Mech in fact if anything they are moving forward still. Crypteks are pretty much scientists after all.

Of course when you have time travelling planets, teleportation, and the like there's isn't much left to achieve.

Pretty much this, they are not static, they are asleep. They have not had much need to do anything, now they face new unknown foes and possibility new ideas they can explore.

Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah it does, but is safer. However given enough time they are likely to vastly improve it. They might even do something like a warp version of web way corridors that ride the outer edge.

Walking is a lot safer than running, but someone who's running is faster, no matter how much you improve your walking technique. Thats how I view the Tau warp travel, at least. Anything else feels like they are stepping on other races toes to me.

I would view the Necrons as static in their technology, they have been the same for thousands of years? Just like the Imperium? Or maybe even longer?

The moment they were imprisoned in their metal skeletons they haven't upgraded themselves, they aren't actively developing new technology? They have reached their zenith.

They are only static because they have literally hit the roof and nothing can go beyond. They are masters of the physical universe such that they appear to violate the laws of physics(when in actuality they simply know how to manipulate the physical universe, to turn the laws on and off again at will)

Imagine if it was discovered that Gravity could simply be manipulated by, lets say, a specific type of quantum particle emmitted by Dark Matter. The Dark Matter in turn only emmits this particle when energized with electricity.

So I put an amount of Dark Matter in a gun and whenever I pull the trigger these particles are emmitted in a beam. I can now turn gravity off, make it 100 times as powerful, or both within seconds of each other.


It would appear I am violating the laws of physics when in actuality I am simply manipulating the physical universe. Gravity still works, but I can change how it works.

I could make gravity instantly weaker and my enemies charging towards me suddenly jump 10 feet into the air, and then I turn gravity on 10 times normal and they slam back down and injure themselves.

mwnciboo Same, The imperiums technology hasn't changed since about the time of the great crusade. Necrons since their transmutation into their metal bodies. Eldar for even Longer!

The Tau and the Tyranid race are the only ones to advance themselves steadily

Not quite correct. The Imperium has recovered alot of technology since the Great Crusade, lost a few things too. The Ad Mech does conduct research, but it is slow.

Most of the advancements have not been put into widespread use, but they are there nontheless.

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah it does, but is safer. However given enough time they are likely to vastly improve it. They might even do something like a warp version of web way corridors that ride the outer edge.

Walking is a lot safer than running, but someone who's running is faster, no matter how much you improve your walking technique. Thats how I view the Tau warp travel, at least. Anything else feels like they are stepping on other races toes to me.

It is most likely not all that different then the pre navigator human travel. They are new at it as well,so it is unlikely it will stay at its early level.

Grey Templar wrote:Not quite correct. The Imperium has recovered alot of technology since the Great Crusade, lost a few things too. The Ad Mech does conduct research, but it is slow.

Most of the advancements have not been put into widespread use, but they are there nontheless.

Thats recovering technology they had forgotten about, thats not advancing. Advancing is creating new things without following a instruction book, which is all the STC's are. Also to advance as a rase it needs to be in widespread use, something the imperium hardly ever does. The Tau and the Tyranid race on the other hand are constantly adapting and creating new weapons and tech to advance themselves.

Yes, but advancement also needs to better your position. The Imperium is in the position where they don't need to advance. They already have what they need. Lasguns are the perfect weapon to arm billions of guardsmen cheaply and efficiently. Lemun Russ battle tanks also strike the perfect balance between being cheap, easy to use, and powerful.

if they made a more powerful tank, it couldn't be produced in the numbers the Imperium needs. the same goes for why they don't give bolters to guardsmen instead of lasguns.

Advancement is not as simple, or always as benificial, as it sounds.

Grey Templar wrote:Yes, but advancement also needs to better your position. The Imperium is in the position where they don't need to advance. They already have what they need. Lasguns are the perfect weapon to arm billions of guardsmen cheaply and efficiently. Lemun Russ battle tanks also strike the perfect balance between being cheap, easy to use, and powerful.

I'd hardly call the Leman Russ cheap... it takes them forever to produce each one. Lasguns are glorified torches as well. To advance is to go forward, The imperium has only united itself once more, but their technology has made little to no advancement since the great crusade.

if they made a more powerful tank, it couldn't be produced in the numbers the Imperium needs. the same goes for why they don't give bolters to guardsmen instead of lasguns.

They don't give bolters to guardsmen because the bolter was designed and build with the Astartes in mind. the unaltered human body doesnt have the muscle capacity to fire one without extensive training or bulking up. it'd be lible to rip you in half if you fired it.

Advancement is not as simple, or always as benificial, as it sounds.

No, but that said, this thread is based on who has the most advanced technology. The Imperium is stymied, and has been for millennia. the same goes for the elder races like the Necrontyr and the Eldar as well.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah it does, but is safer. However given enough time they are likely to vastly improve it. They might even do something like a warp version of web way corridors that ride the outer edge.

Walking is a lot safer than running, but someone who's running is faster, no matter how much you improve your walking technique. Thats how I view the Tau warp travel, at least. Anything else feels like they are stepping on other races toes to me.

It is most likely not all that different then the pre navigator human travel. They are new at it as well,so it is unlikely it will stay at its early level.

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

Necrons.
Then Eldar
Then Imperium/Chaos
Then Tau (The Imperium has more advanced tech but Tau have an equal tech level across their empire whereas the Imperium does not)

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah it does, but is safer. However given enough time they are likely to vastly improve it. They might even do something like a warp version of web way corridors that ride the outer edge.

Walking is a lot safer than running, but someone who's running is faster, no matter how much you improve your walking technique. Thats how I view the Tau warp travel, at least. Anything else feels like they are stepping on other races toes to me.

It is most likely not all that different then the pre navigator human travel. They are new at it as well,so it is unlikely it will stay at its early level.

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

I'm most likely wrong in saying this, but, I was under the assumption that Tau have faster than light travel and do not use the Immaterium like other races.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah it does, but is safer. However given enough time they are likely to vastly improve it. They might even do something like a warp version of web way corridors that ride the outer edge.

Walking is a lot safer than running, but someone who's running is faster, no matter how much you improve your walking technique. Thats how I view the Tau warp travel, at least. Anything else feels like they are stepping on other races toes to me.

It is most likely not all that different then the pre navigator human travel. They are new at it as well,so it is unlikely it will stay at its early level.

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

I'm most likely wrong in saying this, but, I was under the assumption that Tau have faster than light travel and do not use the Immaterium like other races.

You are most likely thinking of the (old) necrons, the Tau ships skim the edge of the warp, resulting in slower but safer travel.

Randomonioum wrote:

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:Yeah it does, but is safer. However given enough time they are likely to vastly improve it. They might even do something like a warp version of web way corridors that ride the outer edge.

Walking is a lot safer than running, but someone who's running is faster, no matter how much you improve your walking technique. Thats how I view the Tau warp travel, at least. Anything else feels like they are stepping on other races toes to me.

It is most likely not all that different then the pre navigator human travel. They are new at it as well,so it is unlikely it will stay at its early level.

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

I'm most likely wrong in saying this, but, I was under the assumption that Tau have faster than light travel and do not use the Immaterium like other races.

You are most likely thinking of the (old) necrons, the Tau ships skim the edge of the warp, resulting in slower but safer travel.

Fair enough lols... Tau aren't my strong point out of all the factions... probably because they are American's in space >_<

Randomonioum wrote:

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

However dark age humans (Some at lest) did have devices that did the same thing, if slower(5 -10 day jump). The Navigator house have saw that most of these devices have been destroyed once found, but there are out there. So it is very possible to nav the warp based solely upon machines,. The again, clone gown Bio-navagators(Brains in a jar) would be within their reach tech wise as well. I am just saying just because they now have slow FTL travel does not mean they always will, most races once had slow travel as well.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

However dark age humans (Some at lest) did have devices that did the same thing, if slower(5 -10 day jump). The Navigator house have saw that most of these devices have been destroyed once found, but there are out there. So it is very possible to nav the warp based solely upon machines,. The again, clone gown Bio-navagators(Brains in a jar) would be within their reach tech wise as well. I am just saying just because they now have slow FTL travel does not mean they always will, most races once had slow travel as well.

Isn't there already a race navigating for them? Like the Nicassar or something like that

jgehunter wrote:

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

However dark age humans (Some at lest) did have devices that did the same thing, if slower(5 -10 day jump). The Navigator house have saw that most of these devices have been destroyed once found, but there are out there. So it is very possible to nav the warp based solely upon machines,. The again, clone gown Bio-navagators(Brains in a jar) would be within their reach tech wise as well. I am just saying just because they now have slow FTL travel does not mean they always will, most races once had slow travel as well.

Isn't there already a race navigating for them? Like the Nicassar or something like that

They don't really get invloved because the tau don't want the IoM to learn about them. link

I've never heard the Tau compared to america before. always communists or Chinese. Thats why I have this thing in my sig.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Randomonioum wrote:

Likely does not equal fact. But yes, the humans managed to develop a new version of travel, using psychic abilities through Navigators. Tau, unfortunately, don't have that luxury. That being said, if they justified it with some other race navigating for them, I would love it, and be happy to accept it. I just think that using pure tech to navigate the warp is very iffy, and tech is what the tau do best.

However dark age humans (Some at lest) did have devices that did the same thing, if slower(5 -10 day jump). The Navigator house have saw that most of these devices have been destroyed once found, but there are out there. So it is very possible to nav the warp based solely upon machines,. The again, clone gown Bio-navagators(Brains in a jar) would be within their reach tech wise as well. I am just saying just because they now have slow FTL travel does not mean they always will, most races once had slow travel as well.

Source on the tech devices? I know they had warp travel pre navigators, and obviously it was done through tech, but I would have placed it at around Tau level of speed. And they need an understanding of the warp anyway, which they don't have, they refuse to even acknowledge it. Besides, having the Tau being able to do everything would be a waste, when they could rely on another race (Like they do now), and that race has a stranglehold on them. The IoM doesn't need a monopoly on politics!

Necrons hands down...it's so advanced no one understands how it works

Orks.


I remember one story where the Imperium got ahold of some Ork tek, and opened it up to see how it worked. The inner workings of the gun was a giant bullet. No firing pin, nothing but a giant bullet. And yet it can fire.