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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Are you talking about how it says there's eldar there? I guess that's possible but I think we're getting into metaphors of how they're now in hell.

That's what I meant, yes. If the Crone Worlds are the only source of spirit stones, that very much sounds to me as if all Craftworlds would have to go back there from time to time, sending brave explorers to pick up a new cache. And if these journeys do happen - as it also says in the article - then the Eldar that still live there, do still live there (quite literally and not metaphorically) and may even be encountered by those Craftworld explorers.

I'd only be interested in how they live, exactly. I vaguely recall having read something, but this was years ago and my memory is a mess when it comes to details that don't concern an area I am focusing on. :(

Lynata wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Are you talking about how it says there's eldar there? I guess that's possible but I think we're getting into metaphors of how they're now in hell.

That's what I meant, yes. If the Crone Worlds are the only source of spirit stones, that very much sounds to me as if all Craftworlds would have to go back there from time to time, sending brave explorers to pick up a new cache. And if these journeys do happen - as it also says in the article - then the Eldar that still live there, do still live there (quite literally and not metaphorically) and may even be encountered by those Craftworld explorers.

I'd only be interested in how they live, exactly. I vaguely recall having read something, but this was years ago and my memory is a mess when it comes to details that don't concern an area I am focusing on. :(

I wasn't aware that Spirit stones are only available on crone worlds. Well, that sucks for them. I recall reading that Ancient Eldar are "extinct" which sounds pretty definative to me. I think it may be the case of a retcon because iirc all Eldar in the Slaneesh "blast radius" (the eye of terror) where killed. But even if some suvived that, somehow I can't imagine they's be recognizable as anything "Eldar" anymore so it's safe to call that line dead. However, the Dark Eldar carry on their culture and ways so they live on in a way.

Necrons, duh. Humans during the Dark Age of Technology and Eldar at the height of the Eldar Empire come close though. As of 40k, not even the Tau come close.

Lynata wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Are you talking about how it says there's eldar there? I guess that's possible but I think we're getting into metaphors of how they're now in hell.

That's what I meant, yes. If the Crone Worlds are the only source of spirit stones, that very much sounds to me as if all Craftworlds would have to go back there from time to time, sending brave explorers to pick up a new cache. And if these journeys do happen - as it also says in the article - then the Eldar that still live there, do still live there (quite literally and not metaphorically) and may even be encountered by those Craftworld explorers.

I'd only be interested in how they live, exactly. I vaguely recall having read something, but this was years ago and my memory is a mess when it comes to details that don't concern an area I am focusing on. :(

Of course its possable that the Crone Worlds are stuck in a sort of Stasis so it hasn't been very long since the Fall from the perspective of local time. So there might be some poor sods stuck there in a long drawn out 10,000 years of Slannesh fondling. Then every few seconds a couple of Farseers dash by to grab some Spirit Stones and GTFO.

Grey Templar wrote:
Of course its possable that the Crone Worlds are stuck in a sort of Stasis so it hasn't been very long since the Fall from the perspective of local time. So there might be some poor sods stuck there in a long drawn out 10,000 years of Slannesh fondling. Then every few seconds a couple of Farseers dash by to grab some Spirit Stones and GTFO.

Actually Lexicanum states Atlas Infernal as source which afair is only book which states that all Eldar in EoT weren't instadead during birth of Slaanesh. And in book descendants of these survivors are described very much like inhabitants of imperial underhives - ie wretched creatures with deformities and mutations and without most of ancestors' knowledges. Though CW Eldar have no problem communicating with them, so they're not outright chaos worshippers. And of course there were CW Rangers...


'bout technological level in WH40K...Necron>Eldar>Ork/Human>Tau

Orks are not technologically impared as they rely on Waagh!field not for their tech to work at all but for it not to fail - i.e. there's no Ork tech that couldn't be researched and replicated by any other technological race ....'cept Snotling Cannon

Necrons without a doubt,

The ONLY reason the Galaxy isnt in the hands of the Necrons, is the fact that they're too lazy to wake up!

81Northman wrote:
The ONLY reason the Galaxy isnt in the hands of the Necrons, is the fact that they're too lazy to wake up!

I doubt that even if they awaken earlier they would beat the Eldar who were on height of their power.
Or Emperor and his 20 Legions for that matter.

Necrons are many hundreds of millenia infront of any of the younger races.

On the matter of Necrons not ruling the galaxy atm it is because they are separated, weakened and not fully awakened. The necrons we're once the galaxies most powerful faction and I have no doubt in my mind that at their prime not even the Imperium at its very zenith of power would have the power to stand against them. But its hard to say, I guess we will never know.

Necrons followed by Dark Eldar / Craftworld Eldar
The Necrons lost almost non of their advanced technology while the two Eldar factions had to suffer the Fall.

Jokaero

Give them a piece of bubble gum, spork and a AAA battery and they would make you a death ray of such destructive proportions that any Necron lord would TREMBLE in their WD40'd joints.

chyron wrote:Actually Lexicanum states Atlas Infernal as source which afair is only book which states that all Eldar in EoT weren't instadead during birth of Slaanesh.

Oh, a Black Library novel? But the Codices say the opposite? Well, that clears it up for me - thanks, I'll keep this in mind. A bit sad, though, the idea isn't actually half bad I think...

And yeah, Jokaero are the real McGuyvers of 40k.

Another interesting case, though, somewhat similar to the Orks. From what I've read, Jokaero aren't really smart or knowledgeable, they just happen to build things that work without actually having a clue about the why's - it's even worse than the Mechanicus. I suppose it's got to be something about genetic memory. Makes you wonder where they have it from ... are the Jokaero another once-superior race that devolved over the millennia?

Grey Templar wrote:

'bout technological level in WH40K...Necron>Eldar>Ork/Human>Tau

Orks are not technologically impared as they rely on Waagh!field not for their tech to work at all but for it not to fail - i.e. there's no Ork tech that couldn't be researched and replicated by any other technological race ....'cept Snotling Cannon

Ork technology does not always work when used by non-orks, it only works because of the field the Orks generate, so in many cases it would not be able to replicated. They also tend to just loot other races stuff so it isn't really their own, they don't know how it works.

What do the Eldar have that makes them more advanced than the Tau that doesn't involve psykers? I don't know much about the Eldar.

There is a difference between more advanced and more powerful.

Lynata wrote:

chyron wrote:Actually Lexicanum states Atlas Infernal as source which afair is only book which states that all Eldar in EoT weren't instadead during birth of Slaanesh.

Oh, a Black Library novel? But the Codices say the opposite? Well, that clears it up for me - thanks, I'll keep this in mind. A bit sad, though, the idea isn't actually half bad I think...

And yeah, Jokaero are the real McGuyvers of 40k.

Another interesting case, though, somewhat similar to the Orks. From what I've read, Jokaero aren't really smart or knowledgeable, they just happen to build things that work without actually having a clue about the why's - it's even worse than the Mechanicus. I suppose it's got to be something about genetic memory. Makes you wonder where they have it from ... are the Jokaero another once-superior race that devolved over the millennia?

Or possibly another one of the Old ones children? They are alot of those around.

Necron, with Eldar a close second.

It's interesting how Eldar and Necron technologies sometimes match each other. Where the Necrons have (had) biotransference and stasis crypts, the Eldar have Spirit Jewels and the Infinity Circuit. Necrons have necrodermis, Eldars have wraithbone, and so on...

I'm also inclined to think that Tyranids are fairly advanced, even if their concept of technology is completely alien to us.

Mentlegen324 wrote:
What do the Eldar have that makes them more advanced than the Tau that doesn't involve psykers? I don't know much about the Eldar.

There is a difference between more advanced and more powerful.

The Webway. Shuriken weaponry. Laser technology (brightlances, scatter lasers, prism cannons). Holo-Fields. Could be more.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:

I'm also inclined to think that Tyranids are fairly advanced, even if their concept of technology is completely alien to us.

Good point. They may not be technologically advanced as we know it but they are incredibly highly evolved creatures. I find the whole symbiotic idea behind them very fascinating.

The order is as follows:

Necrons, Eldar/Tau, Imperium/Chaos, Orks, Tyranids.

Necrons are best because they're Necrons. (tech scale 'Doomsday')
Eldar tech has plateaued at 'Awesome' and Tau are Shooting themselves out of a cannon at 'Gunpowder' and sailing right on past 'Awesome' to 'Run, Just Run'. At the moment they are About at 'Awesome'. Imperium and Chaos are at 'Awesome, but Impractical'. Orks are at '%^%$' and Tyranids don't know what tech is.

For Reference, the scale is:

Run, Just Run > Doomsday > Awesome > Awesome, but Impractical > Modern > Gunpowder > ^&%$&^ > Bugs.

Thatguy91 wrote:

Lynata wrote:

chyron wrote:Actually Lexicanum states Atlas Infernal as source which afair is only book which states that all Eldar in EoT weren't instadead during birth of Slaanesh.

Oh, a Black Library novel? But the Codices say the opposite? Well, that clears it up for me - thanks, I'll keep this in mind. A bit sad, though, the idea isn't actually half bad I think...

And yeah, Jokaero are the real McGuyvers of 40k.

Another interesting case, though, somewhat similar to the Orks. From what I've read, Jokaero aren't really smart or knowledgeable, they just happen to build things that work without actually having a clue about the why's - it's even worse than the Mechanicus. I suppose it's got to be something about genetic memory. Makes you wonder where they have it from ... are the Jokaero another once-superior race that devolved over the millennia?

Or possibly another one of the Old ones children? They are alot of those around.

They were created by the Old Ones. They really are as intelligent as a chimpanzees but can make a lascannon that can fit into a ring because that was programmed into their DNA, exactly like Orks.

Uhh Necrons are living machines with nano level repair technologies, and a light bright room that shortens suns lives by millenia, so I would guess it would be a no brainer in the highest tech dept.

Well i ghess that answers the question, and I quite like your tech scale gabrielhorus. Sorry about the misspelling, but I have no idea how to fix it. Maybe a mod can help. I quite serprised that Dark Eldar are so much lower than Eldar. Is this a case of bias towards the more pritty guys.

Edit; if you need more clearafication on the question, we are taking the tech level from the pressent game setting (999999.M41), not during the peek of said factions prime.

Should be able to hit the edit button on your original post.

ofc its necrons, there tech was by far the most advanced before mankind even existed, there even working on a machine to reseal the barrier between reality and the immaterium that the old ones so rudely left open when they got spanked silly

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Should be able to hit the edit button on your original post.

Ahhh found it now. Thanks

Ledabot wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Should be able to hit the edit button on your original post.

Ahhh found it now. Thanks

pssst: it's spelled Mechanicum

I copyed the spelling from the brb, i really should put the Adeptus bit in to though

How is this even a question? Necrons of course. No other technology can even compare.

Joey wrote:"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
The difference between magic and technology is moot.

Not really as being mistaken for and being equal to does not mean the same thing.
Technology obeys the laws of physics and can be used by anyone who understands it. Magic -or in this case psyker powers- does not obey the laws of physics and can only be used by those which are borne with that ability.

Out of curiosity what makes the necrons more advanced then the Eldar?
I would say they are equal, if not, then whoever does win wins by a microscopic margin.

Can we get some real comparisons on necron and eldar technology?

I'd say a tie of sorts between Necrons and Eldar

Ex.

Eldar have impressive control over and within the warp compared to other psyker species and can use it to predict likely outcomes in the future and do what they can to avert it

Necrons are warp-less persay but can still predict the future using mindboggling mathematics

The necrons have to hack their way into the Webway with huge Dolmen gates.

The DE can make a hole with a portable generator the size of a suppository.

Necrons in the old dex were uncontestably the most awesome tech. Inertialess drives, Unkillable tanks, teleportation across the galaxy etc.

The new one, not so much. Some of thier tech is pretty awesome, but other bits make yo scratch your head a bit at why such an awesomely hi-tech race can't figure out a work-around.

It would be fairer to say that certain races are more advanced in one or two areas than the others, but weaker in other areas.

Necrons for sure.

On a slightly different tangent, why are Tau behind the Imperium? The Tau have adapted Rail-Cannons onto smaller tanks and suits, have plasma guns which melt Terminator armor just as well without the possibility of turning the user into molten slag, have developed a stronger and longer reaching standard firearm than the Imperium with the Pulse rifle, and make use of semi-autonomous drones which can carry anything from the smallest, yet still deadly Railgun to generating a shield for a commander.

The Imperium, on the other hand, turns something as simple as starting a Rhino or preparing a gun into a small ritual, complete with litanies, and not fully understanding WHY the ritual needs to take place. I mean, sure, it's an awesome concept as far as background goes, but at least the Tau have a full understanding of the technology that they use.