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Ehsteve wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Did no one get any shots of:

1. The Mk.III Marine standing behind those ultra-cool Apothecary models.

That's FW's last year (2011) event only model for 40k: The MkIII Boarding Marine (with TH/SS)

That's what I was told - I have got a shot which can be cropped to show them, if needed.

The Mk III Marine made me wonder for a moment, but it's just last year's event-only boarding Captain with his head posed looking right rather than left.

Edit: curse my metal body...

Ehsteve wrote:That's FW's last year (2011) event only model for 40k: The MkIII Boarding Marine (with TH/SS)

You sure? Wasn't he facing the other way and in a completely different pose? Granted, I haven't built mine yet, so I haven't explored what possibilities that model may have, but it does look different to me.

I hope they release a Tartaros CC squad as well as the character upgrade pack shown in the pics, as that's what I want to go with my Mk IV Salamanders - If it has 4 TH and 1 LC, so much the better

Dysartes wrote:

Ehsteve wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Did no one get any shots of:

1. The Mk.III Marine standing behind those ultra-cool Apothecary models.

That's FW's last year (2011) event only model for 40k: The MkIII Boarding Marine (with TH/SS)

That's what I was told - I have got a shot which can be cropped to show them, if needed.

I don't think that is the model from last year. I don't think last years model had that crest.

It does.

The flyers are well done. Nothing else grabs me. Terminators look rather vanilla. Something between T-armour and Power armour...and somewhat static.

Happygrunt wrote:

I don't think that is the model from last year. I don't think last years model had that crest.

Nope, no crest at all.

Slinky wrote:I hope they release a Tartaros CC squad as well as the character upgrade pack shown in the pics, as that's what I want to go with my Mk IV Salamanders - If it has 4 TH and 1 LC, so much the better

Will Hayes was certainly talking about it - the character set wouldn't include the bodies, just the additional parts, and it isn't like they don't know have the appropriate LC and TH/SS arms designed, so it does make sense.

Is the character set going to include the combiplasma and lightning claws?

Kanluwen wrote:Is the character set going to include the combiplasma and lightning claws?

From what we have seen of the models, and no announced CC kit yet, it looks like the Character set will be THSS, TLLC, Power Mace/Maul, Combi-plasma, Combi-melta, and maybe a few other things. Heads? Combi-Flamer?

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Is the character set going to include the combiplasma and lightning claws?

From what we have seen of the models, and no announced CC kit yet, it looks like the Character set will be THSS, TLLC, Power Mace/Maul, Combi-plasma, Combi-melta, and maybe a few other things. Heads? Combi-Flamer?

One of the Tartaros terminators (behind Mr Claws, to the right of Mr Power Maul) is holding what appears to be an axe, which I'm presume will also come with the character pack.

Platuan4th wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

I don't think that is the model from last year. I don't think last years model had that crest.

Nope, no crest at all.

That is last years boarding marine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Forgeworld-Limited-edition-Boarding-Marine-2011-/270942010909?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3f1566fe1d#ht_592wt_1270

inquisitorlewis wrote:
That is last years boarding marine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Forgeworld-Limited-edition-Boarding-Marine-2011-/270942010909?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3f1566fe1d#ht_592wt_1270

Happygrunt wrote:

I don't think last years model had that crest.

You need to work on your reading comprehension, Lewis.

Happygrunt wrote:

I don't think that is the model from last year. I don't think last years model had that crest.

What didn't I comprehend about that statement?

He thought that wasn't the marine. Well it is. I had 10 of them pass through my ebay store so I think I should know. I popped the link for reference.

Thank you Forgewold for taking more of my money.

inquisitorlewis wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

I don't think that is the model from last year. I don't think last years model had that crest.

What didn't I comprehend about that statement?

So, what you're saying is you weren't actually adding anything to the exchange at all?

Happygrunt said he didn't think that last year's model had that crest.

I then showed a picture of the model in question proving it did.

You then for some reason posted an auction of that SAME MODEL whilst quoting the picture, meaning you either didn't get what I was doing or that you were clarifying what was clearly obvious.

Just trying to understand why you felt the need to post what you did whilst quoting mine.

Maybe Lewis just want to confirm your post since his bag has the exact label.

He wasnt implying anything.

I guess my confusion came from the picture. I thought that was from this year's FW open case, not from your collection.

Maybe I should work on my comprehension.

Web page (forgeworld) isn't updated that I can see. Looking for the chaos dwarf stuff, same as it was before.

Am I missing something?

It's not going to be out for awhile yet, most likely Slaan. Forge World commented that the stuff they had for sale only at Open Day in a small quantity "takes us all the way to May".

The Open Day showcases models which aren't fully ready for a variety of reasons: ranging the gamut from they're still working out prices to the models being shown are just the first production run and they still have a lot more to cast to create an adequate stock level for sales.

VaUgHaNy86 wrote:I was talking to a couple of the design team today with regards to the Necrons, apparently they are currently working on some small constructs atm which are referenced as dragonfly like with segmented bodies, 4-5 to a base, with regards to ia 12 they are planning on releasing a titan like model undecided on war machine or construct, something to tie in with tomb stalker but spyder sized, possible upgrade sprues for crypteks/ overlords including possible alternate heads with different styles of death mask, the ia12 will be an entirely new dynasty with very different fluff and a couple named characters possible c'tan shard and they are planning on doing something between tomb stalker/ titan size, possibly a flyer, no plans on doing anything with regards to troops or anything like that, only characters as troops and infantry they believe there is no need to do anything with

This sounds great!

However, I wish I was there to give this feedback;

Don't bother. Why was the tombstalker not in the new dex?
(don't give me some marketing insanity either).
FW makes some great models hampered by bad business decisions on GW's part.

Please support those who have supported you.

What good are models we can not play with?
(yes, I know, "just ask your opponent..." thats not the same as being in a codex...not by a million light years).

Not to be rude, but why would the Tomb Stalker have been in the new Codex?

Models being in the codex with options only available from FW have become a fluke, not the standard. The only current one coming to mind is the "Vendetta", and let's face it: that's so mind-numbingly easy to convert that it is not even really worth mentioning.

Kanluwen wrote:Not to be rude, but why would the Tomb Stalker have been in the new Codex?

Models being in the codex with options only available from FW have become a fluke, not the standard. The only current one coming to mind is the "Vendetta", and let's face it: that's so mind-numbingly easy to convert that it is not even really worth mentioning.

I do not see your question as rude at all sir, however honestly why the heck am I the only one pissed about this?

Its the concept that we spend money on these products, and it would be nice to use them as much as possible, and while yes, there is the whole new "apoc only" and "warhammer 40k" branding going on in the newer books, facts are not everyone knows about FW, and even worse almost no organized play (note, I did not specific competitive play - just organized events) supports forgeworld models (astronomicon being one of the few exceptions).

I am not debating the past on if it were a "fluke' or a "standard", I am stating that it SHOULD be a standard.

Many of the special characters can often be proxied as codex minis or at times are close enough to a "real" model that we can use them in any games we like - but many things...they just don't get as much play. Can I show up on any given random night and use my $100 model? How many games a year can I play it in, realistically ? 20% of them? 50%? Some players are either unfamiliar with FW, or have a bias against them "isn't that one of those OP FW models?".
I can sometimes get it if its a superheavy/apoc only model - thats fine - but why oh why not put a standard unit (i.e. standard FOC choice) in a codex?

We pay good money for these models; yes, they are more expensive - I am fine with that - we have access to more exciting and creative products - that is an acceptable trade off. However, we buy these models to PLAY with them. Get a clue GW, let us use these expensive toys we are transferring our gold into your coffers for; is that too much to ask?

We paid for your models, we paid for your codex, now for the love of the ctan support those who have supported you.

Honestly, FW rules could have a great big old pop-up holographic recording from the Design Studio staff saying that "These rules are perfectly acceptable for 40k play, you cannot protest!"--and people still would protest.

They have a stigma to them, mainly being that not everyone has had an opportunity to see the rules. The best way to combat this?

Have the book with you. Use it as your fire, and consider yourself Prometheus gifting the knowledge of awesome things to mortals.

This lack of immediate knowledge/access is a big part of why most organized events do not allow FW units. Organizers aren't necessarily familiar with the rules, nor might they have an easily accessible copy to refer to in case of debates.

I use a simple standard... anyone who won't let me use FW, I wouldn't want to play with them anyway. I believe its GW and FW intention that once players are sufficiently veteran in playing 40k, there shouldn't be any exception to using FW units.

I think its the responsiblity of anyone who wants to use FW models in their average game to always bring the books with you when you play even when you're not planning on using units from those books. That way people can familiarize themselves with the rules and realize 99% of the time, the rules are fair or over priced, and not "instant wins" from the days of FW's association of bringing super heavies into average games.

davethepak wrote:
Many of the special characters can often be proxied as codex minis or at times are close enough to a "real" model that we can use them in any games we like - but many things...they just don't get as much play. Can I show up on any given random night and use my $100 model? How many games a year can I play it in, realistically ? 20% of them? 50%? Some players are either unfamiliar with FW, or have a bias against them "isn't that one of those OP FW models?".
I can sometimes get it if its a superheavy/apoc only model - thats fine - but why oh why not put a standard unit (i.e. standard FOC choice) in a codex?

To be fair, this seems more a problem with certain groups than with FW itself.

My group "allows"(rather, doesn't disallow or force people to ask permission) FW as long as you have the rules on hand(we have the same rule for anything in a Codex, BTW). So we get to use them in 100% of our games we play on the increasingly rare occasions we play GW games. We feel if it's a GW products with GW rules(note, I did NOT say GW studio rules) it's fine to play with, especially since FW is no less balanced than anything that the studio puts into the Codecii themselves. As for being unfamiliar, members of our group have a hard enough time being familiar with their OWN book(our IG player barely remembers the RULES much less what other peoples armies can do) for being unfamiliar with FW to really matter.

The same arrangement existed with the store I played in in Baton Rouge with the main difference being most of us were familiar with the FW rules due to having multiple copies of each book floating around to peruse on nights we played. Just like any of the Codecii, if you didn't know what something did, it's cause you didn't take the time to look. The books were available to you.

Play all our games with FW and Apocalypse stuff.... why not, its more fun...

Unfortunately I feel that's what's lost to a lot of those who regect FW.

Added some more content to the first post.