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Bla_Ze wrote:Feminism lost its real meaning long ago when its biased supporters distanced themselves from equality and furthered the pursuit for women's rights only.

I'll just repeat that bit of truth and leave that right there...

Vladsimpaler wrote:But to call me misogynistic because I'm questioning a statistic? Please spare me.

It wasn't the act of questioning of the statistic, it was the manner in which you did so. But you knew that.

Frazzled wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:The fact that men are getting offended by the term "play like you've got a pair" is a sure sign that American and British societies are slowly becoming emasculated. Stop trying to get offended in the hope that you'll attract women, because it doesn't work.
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(looks at the stadium sized pile of firearms and ammo he has) yea....ok....

No its a sign we're not all working at the emotional level of derp derp 13 year old derp derp. How about you?

EDIT, oh wait eveidently you're an 18 year old frat boy longhorn wannabee. That explains so much. Jeez I have underwear older than you.

Gig 'Em!

Lmao, those have to be some of the weakest insults I've ever heard in my entire life. Also, I actually don't go to UT (there's more than one university in Austin, but it's a lot smaller), so that's a swing-and-a-miss for you. You also strike me as one of those "Obama iz a muzlim n he ain't even from Amurika" types so I will try and use small words.

Lots o' failed insults or ones that make no sense since you have no idea who I am, failure must be a pretty common thread in your life, eh?

Btw if mods have a problem with this, lemme know.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:The fact that men are getting offended by the term "play like you've got a pair" is a sure sign that American and British societies are slowly becoming emasculated. Stop trying to get offended in the hope that you'll attract women, because it doesn't work.
.

(looks at the stadium sized pile of firearms and ammo he has) yea....ok....

No its a sign we're not all working at the emotional level of derp derp 13 year old derp derp. How about you?

EDIT, oh wait eveidently you're an 18 year old frat boy longhorn wannabee. That explains so much. Jeez I have underwear older than you.

Gig 'Em!

Lmao, those have to be some of the weakest insults I've ever heard in my entire life. Also, I actually don't go to UT (there's more than one university in Austin, but it's a lot smaller), so that's a swing-and-a-miss for you. You also strike me as one of those "Obama iz a muzlim n he ain't even from Amurika" types so I will try and use small words.

Lots o' failed insults or ones that make no sense since you have no idea who I am, failure must be a pretty common thread in your life, eh?

Btw if mods have a problem with this, lemme know.

Hey I'm not the one who self avowedly hangs out with a crowd that routinely gets accused of rape. My mistake in thinking you were a UT frat boy.

Frazzled wrote:
Hey I'm not the one who self avowedly hangs out with a crowd that routinely gets accused of rape. My mistake in thinking you were a UT frat boy.

It's not something I'm familiar with in my college years.

TheSinheizer wrote:And as for the line: "Any reasonable human being is a feminist"... No, just... no.

I was going to take issue with that statement this morning, but I thought I'd best go check the definition of the word before doing so - strangely, it didn't mean what I thought it meant:

dictionary.com wrote:Feminism - noun
1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2. ( sometimes initial capital letter ) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.
3. feminine character.

However, I do think that what Bla_Ze says below (apart from the spelling errors) is fairly accurate.

Bla_Ze wrote:Feninism lost its real meaing long ago when its biased supporters distanced themselves from equality and furthered the pursuit for womens rights only.

Short version: I'm in favour of equality, but don't want to see the sort of "affirmative action" that ends up with you being heavily penalised for being born the wrong gender/ethnicity.

Frazzled wrote:

Wait, whats worse, shaking your head about how sad this discussion is or thinking ANY discussion on the intranetz is not, in the end, sad?

What a strange way to look at the world....

Skippy wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Wait, whats worse, shaking your head about how sad this discussion is or thinking ANY discussion on the intranetz is not, in the end, sad?

What a strange way to look at the world....

Its called being around before personal computers, let alone the internet, existed.

Frazzled wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:The fact that men are getting offended by the term "play like you've got a pair" is a sure sign that American and British societies are slowly becoming emasculated. Stop trying to get offended in the hope that you'll attract women, because it doesn't work.
.

(looks at the stadium sized pile of firearms and ammo he has) yea....ok....

No its a sign we're not all working at the emotional level of derp derp 13 year old derp derp. How about you?

EDIT, oh wait eveidently you're an 18 year old frat boy longhorn wannabee. That explains so much. Jeez I have underwear older than you.

Gig 'Em!

Lmao, those have to be some of the weakest insults I've ever heard in my entire life. Also, I actually don't go to UT (there's more than one university in Austin, but it's a lot smaller), so that's a swing-and-a-miss for you. You also strike me as one of those "Obama iz a muzlim n he ain't even from Amurika" types so I will try and use small words.

Lots o' failed insults or ones that make no sense since you have no idea who I am, failure must be a pretty common thread in your life, eh?

Btw if mods have a problem with this, lemme know.

Hey I'm not the one who self avowedly hangs out with a crowd that routinely gets accused of rape. My mistake in thinking you were a UT frat boy.

Hahaha wow, this is exactly what I mean about you being guilty until proven innocent of rape. I don't hang out with a "bad" crowd at all. And this is why jumping to conclusions often doesn't work.

Wow, you're both horribly at insults.

(Which was the point of frazzled's post, btw.)

I fail to see the issue here?

Most girls I've met have a pair...

Frazzled wrote:

Wait, whats worse, shaking your head about how sad this discussion is or thinking ANY discussion on the intranetz is not, in the end, sad?


Its called being around before personal computers, let alone the internet, existed.

You could alwasy forsake the internet and do more productive things with your free time.

You post rather frequently on Dakka frazz for a Luddite...

malfred wrote:Wow, you're both horribly at insults.

(Which was the point of frazzled's post, btw.)

Horribly
Horribly
Horribly
Horribly
Horribly

TheSinheizer wrote:Bla_Ze and Vladsimpaler -

I agree wholeheartedly with you both.

And as for the line: "Any reasonable human being is a feminist"... No, just... no.

Concentrating solely on one gender makes absolutely no reasonable sense whatsoever to me.

THANK you. That's exactly why I hate the term, and why I'm bothered by people who identify with it regardless of their intentions. The hell with feminism, or the secular groups for individual ethnic struggles. What ever happened to trying to progress human rights as a whole? Makes more sense to me than standing up for one group.

So no, I don't stand for feminism (which has become synonymous with misandry in the current day), I stand for equality.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

malfred wrote:Wow, you're both horribly at insults.

(Which was the point of frazzled's post, btw.)

Horribly
Horribly
Horribly
Horribly
Horribly

Yessir. Adverb in place of adjective. It happens.

malfred wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:

malfred wrote:Wow, you're both horribly at insults.

(Which was the point of frazzled's post, btw.)

Horribly
Horribly
Horribly
Horribly
Horribly

Yessir. Adverb in place of adjective. It happens.

Whats adverb? I hayt math....

Hehehe, funny.

Back on topic.

malfred wrote:

Back on topic.

I think that stopped happening back on page 1.

I'm seriously thinking that dakka needs to have it's own page 5 post . Everytime a topic gets to 5 pages an auto post reading "post like you have a pair", hopefully that should cut down on the whining and name calling. though it is obviously offensive to women, i know everytime i hear a reference to a body part i don't own, a little piece of me dies.

Bullockist wrote:though it is obviously offensive to women

Not sure if that is a worry here in general...

Bullockist wrote:I'm seriously thinking that dakka needs to have it's own page 5 post . Everytime a topic gets to 5 pages an auto post reading "post like you have a pair", hopefully that should cut down on the whining and name calling. though it is obviously offensive to women, i know everytime i hear a reference to a body part i don't own, a little piece of me dies.

Agreed, although you can't say, objectively, that it is offensive to women. Nowhere does page 5 reference that they are talking about a body part, let alone one specific to males. Also, as it's been stated several times before in this thread, females have body parts that come in pairs too, most of which are more impressive than the "male pair".

MISANDRY! ....time for a new flame war!

So it begins.

Society is doomed when people deplore and boycott a tabletop wargame for being sexist.

There are such a huge number of reasons why this is all BS that I'm just dumbfounded. Even going on about feminism being horrible for not including the men is nuts. Let them get on with it, who cares?

'Babies die in Africa? Don't care, rollin' 2D6 for armour pen!'

'AIDS? LOL 2+ cover save from bolstered ruins and stealth.'

'Pope condones both the creation of babies that have no fate but death, AIDS and covers up institutional paedophilia? Bikes don't change toughness for ID lolololol'

'They printed a slogan that might make females feel ever so slightly less engaged in a tabletop wargame? Put the dice away Steve, nobodies bloody laughing now.'

If a clearly-not-literal-and-therefore-not-sexist slogan stops you playing a game, surely you would promptly kill yourself once a year when comic/sport/guilt relief came on TV.

the bible bashes women go yell at the one who wrote that hahahaha but no really dont think to much into any of the nerd games writing in the books, cause you gotta remember the average player is a male.

Davylove21 wrote:Society is doomed when people deplore and boycott a tabletop wargame for being sexist.

There are such a huge number of reasons why this is all BS that I'm just dumbfounded. Even going on about feminism being horrible for not including the men is nuts. Let them get on with it, who cares?

'Babies die in Africa? Don't care, rollin' 2D6 for armour pen!'

'AIDS? LOL 2+ cover save from bolstered ruins and stealth.'

'Pope condones both the creation of babies that have no fate but death, AIDS and covers up institutional paedophilia? Bikes don't change toughness for ID lolololol'

'They printed a slogan that might make females feel ever so slightly less engaged in a tabletop wargame? Put the dice away Steve, nobodies bloody laughing now.'

If a clearly-not-literal-and-therefore-not-sexist slogan stops you playing a game, surely you would promptly kill yourself once a year when comic/sport/guilt relief came on TV.

This, ffs guys, why are we seriously arguing over something this stupid? It's like Kony 2012 "i never cared about this issue until it showed up on my facebook that I browse on my ipad."

Perhaps you all need to....grow a pair

Brother Axel wrote:I fail to see the issue here?

Most girls I've met have a pair...

If girls have coconuts
and trex's eat coconuts.
Are girls a Trex's best friend?

Feldenglas wrote:Honestly, this slogan is keeping me away from WM/H, due to the implications of casual misogyny. Does Privateer ever address this? As a company, have they ever made a statement welcoming female players, or clarifying the fact that they're aware of the gender politics behind making this statement their system's core ethic?

It's 2012. I thought feminism has come a long way enough for women to understand that this isn't just a male dominated statement, or does PP have to say "Play like you found a sale!" to appeal to the cavewomen out there?

sorry if I missed something, but I read the original post and decided to reply. The dice mechanic in Warmachine uses a pair of dice so there is nothing mysogynistic about it. I think our modern society has become obsessed with finding goblins where there are none.

7/10, I give you points for quite a few bites.