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 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Shrike has momentum and is a space marine so its very implied that he will gore shadowsun before she could spin and do that. Hes many times faster than her. Even at human speeds she wouldn't have the reflexes to do that. Shrike would be on top of her even if the first blow didn't kill her. Hes inside her guard and this makes her bulky weapons useless.

I won't argue about whether or not a fusion blaster is a "flamethrower" type weapon or a "bolt"of plasma. It could be either but its not really important. What matters is that he is inside her guard and she is firing because shes missed him; which shows that Shrike is a lot faster than her. Which makes sense considering the characters specialty of combat.

Based on the image the artist appears to think its a beam weapon allowing Shadowsun to move her forearm and cut off shrike's arm. XV22 is also powered increasing strength and agility, so who wins the race depends on individual interpretation. Another option is that a broadside out of shot has just aquired Shrike and he is about to see how easy it is to function while missing a torso

lol.

Shadowsun survives because Khan and Shrike get over enthusiastic, fly over the shortie's head and headbutt each other.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Shrike has momentum and is a space marine so its very implied that he will gore shadowsun before she could spin and do that. Hes many times faster than her. Even at human speeds she wouldn't have the reflexes to do that. Shrike would be on top of her even if the first blow didn't kill her. Hes inside her guard and this makes her bulky weapons useless.

I won't argue about whether or not a fusion blaster is a "flamethrower" type weapon or a "bolt"of plasma. It could be either but its not really important. What matters is that he is inside her guard and she is firing because shes missed him; which shows that Shrike is a lot faster than her. Which makes sense considering the characters specialty of combat.

He's not "inside her guard", he's trying to get to inside her guard, since she's foregrounded more than he is, rather than being on the same line, the muzzle of her weapon appears to be past him, but is not. This is obvious by the placement of his feet compared to hers. If she moves her left arm laterally outward, so towards the background of the image, that puts the muzzle of her fusion blaster against his belly. Then, speed of thought because that is how these things work, his lower torso vaporizes when she fires. Whitey there just took out her drone with a two-handed swing, which is going to require a moment to recover from (because that's how physics do). So Mr. Lightning Claw takes a fusion blaster point-blank to the gut, and that basically separates him at his skinny, probably-washboard-abbed middle... that's a tactically-unviable Space Marine. The Crisis Suit that is behind Shadowsun and facing her direction sees Whitey taking out the shield drone, and just puts its giant boot in his ass and sends him flying. Don't even need to try that hard. It's a big ass getting kicked by an even bigger boot.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Shrike has momentum and is a space marine so its very implied that he will gore shadowsun before she could spin and do that. Hes many times faster than her. Even at human speeds she wouldn't have the reflexes to do that. Shrike would be on top of her even if the first blow didn't kill her. Hes inside her guard and this makes her bulky weapons useless.

I won't argue about whether or not a fusion blaster is a "flamethrower" type weapon or a "bolt"of plasma. It could be either but its not really important. What matters is that he is inside her guard and she is firing because shes missed him; which shows that Shrike is a lot faster than her. Which makes sense considering the characters specialty of combat.

He's not "inside her guard", he's trying to get to inside her guard, since she's foregrounded more than he is, rather than being on the same line, the muzzle of her weapon appears to be past him, but is not. This is obvious by the placement of his feet compared to hers. If she moves her left arm laterally outward, so towards the background of the image, that puts the muzzle of her fusion blaster against his belly. Then, speed of thought because that is how these things work, his lower torso vaporizes when she fires. Whitey there just took out her drone with a two-handed swing, which is going to require a moment to recover from (because that's how physics do). So Mr. Lightning Claw takes a fusion blaster point-blank to the gut, and that basically separates him at his skinny, probably-washboard-abbed middle... that's a tactically-unviable Space Marine. The Crisis Suit that is behind Shadowsun and facing her direction sees Whitey taking out the shield drone, and just puts its giant boot in his ass and sends him flying. Don't even need to try that hard. It's a big ass getting kicked by an even bigger boot.

Alternatively, she fires, the Iron Halo blocks the shot and she turns into red mist. Tau aren't the only ones with high-tech stuff.

He's not wearing an Iron Halo.



Mr. Lightning Claws does not appear to be equipped with the above item of wargear on his PA.

Shrike's model doesn't have one either, but he's got oneby virtue of being a Marine Captain (and, in-game, because the rules say so).

Apparently, they left them at home. WYSIWYG.

Fine then, he's wearing it on his left shoulder pad and we can't see it, because his arm's blocking the view.

The Iron Halo is a relatively large piece of wargear that mounts behind the head of the wearer, hence the name. They're a fairly iconic bit of gear in the franchise, and you don't go sticking it wherever you like, as the War-Spirit of your PA doesn't generally get on with such shenanigans.

Lexicanum wrote:The Iron Halo appears as a spiked circle or half-circle of grey iron worn either on the helmet or the left shoulder pad. Sometimes it is more elaborate and takes the form of an actual halo arching over the Battle-Brother’s helmet, connected either to his gorget or backpack. In rare cases, the Iron Halo will also be inlaid with litanies of the Battle-Brother's deeds or the names of heroes of his Chapter.[3]

I didn't mention the left shoulder pad as just some random body part.

I have never seen an Iron Halo mounted anywhere on a pauldron on anything.

Lexi seems to be confusing the Halo for a Crux Terminatus.

I know I've seen Iron Halo shoulderpads somewhere, but I can't find it ATM, so that's anecdotal I suppose.

I am wondering if Lexicanum is confusing the force-field generating bit of wargear with the honor badge that goes by the same name, and is worn on the shoulder?

http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ia/insignium/23_honourbadges.html

Now I remember where I saw it!



Admittedly on his knee, but still.

Hmm... are you sure that's an Iron Halo? It just looks like a pretty typical "bling bit" that some SM get.

Looks like an Iron Halo surrounding a skull to me.

To answer the OPs question:

Shrike throws just ones on his to hit roll and GW decided to add a new random table to punish such a big failure. After rolling on that new table Shrike misses Shadowsun and hits Khan instead. With his last breath Khan put his sword through the throat of this Raven Guard traitor.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:


Looks like an Iron Halo surrounding a skull to me.

Yes, but that's an Honor Badge, not the force-field creating device.

It's big enough on the Helbrecht model to house a shield generator, and it's obviously not just painted onto his armour.

The entire point's moot anyway, we can't see Shadowsun's jump jets, so she can't jump away, right?

She dies. The Tau are then retconned out of existence and Squats are brought back. All is right in the world.

 Saevus wrote:
She dies. The Tau are then retconned out of existence and Squats are brought back. All is right in the world.