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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/19 00:40:01
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Totalwar1402 wrote:Shrike has momentum and is a space marine so its very implied that he will gore shadowsun before she could spin and do that. Hes many times faster than her. Even at human speeds she wouldn't have the reflexes to do that. Shrike would be on top of her even if the first blow didn't kill her. Hes inside her guard and this makes her bulky weapons useless.
I won't argue about whether or not a fusion blaster is a "flamethrower" type weapon or a "bolt"of plasma. It could be either but its not really important. What matters is that he is inside her guard and she is firing because shes missed him; which shows that Shrike is a lot faster than her. Which makes sense considering the characters specialty of combat.
Based on the image the artist appears to think its a beam weapon allowing Shadowsun to move her forearm and cut off shrike's arm. XV22 is also powered increasing strength and agility, so who wins the race depends on individual interpretation. Another option is that a broadside out of shot has just aquired Shrike and he is about to see how easy it is to function while missing a torso
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 17:46:35
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Hallowed Canoness
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lol.
Shadowsun survives because Khan and Shrike get over enthusiastic, fly over the shortie's head and headbutt each other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 18:30:51
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Totalwar1402 wrote:Shrike has momentum and is a space marine so its very implied that he will gore shadowsun before she could spin and do that. Hes many times faster than her. Even at human speeds she wouldn't have the reflexes to do that. Shrike would be on top of her even if the first blow didn't kill her. Hes inside her guard and this makes her bulky weapons useless.
I won't argue about whether or not a fusion blaster is a "flamethrower" type weapon or a "bolt"of plasma. It could be either but its not really important. What matters is that he is inside her guard and she is firing because shes missed him; which shows that Shrike is a lot faster than her. Which makes sense considering the characters specialty of combat.
He's not "inside her guard", he's trying to get to inside her guard, since she's foregrounded more than he is, rather than being on the same line, the muzzle of her weapon appears to be past him, but is not. This is obvious by the placement of his feet compared to hers. If she moves her left arm laterally outward, so towards the background of the image, that puts the muzzle of her fusion blaster against his belly. Then, speed of thought because that is how these things work, his lower torso vaporizes when she fires. Whitey there just took out her drone with a two-handed swing, which is going to require a moment to recover from (because that's how physics do). So Mr. Lightning Claw takes a fusion blaster point-blank to the gut, and that basically separates him at his skinny, probably-washboard-abbed middle... that's a tactically-unviable Space Marine. The Crisis Suit that is behind Shadowsun and facing her direction sees Whitey taking out the shield drone, and just puts its giant boot in his ass and sends him flying. Don't even need to try that hard. It's a big ass getting kicked by an even bigger boot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 18:34:58
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Psienesis wrote: Totalwar1402 wrote:Shrike has momentum and is a space marine so its very implied that he will gore shadowsun before she could spin and do that. Hes many times faster than her. Even at human speeds she wouldn't have the reflexes to do that. Shrike would be on top of her even if the first blow didn't kill her. Hes inside her guard and this makes her bulky weapons useless.
I won't argue about whether or not a fusion blaster is a "flamethrower" type weapon or a "bolt"of plasma. It could be either but its not really important. What matters is that he is inside her guard and she is firing because shes missed him; which shows that Shrike is a lot faster than her. Which makes sense considering the characters specialty of combat.
He's not "inside her guard", he's trying to get to inside her guard, since she's foregrounded more than he is, rather than being on the same line, the muzzle of her weapon appears to be past him, but is not. This is obvious by the placement of his feet compared to hers. If she moves her left arm laterally outward, so towards the background of the image, that puts the muzzle of her fusion blaster against his belly. Then, speed of thought because that is how these things work, his lower torso vaporizes when she fires. Whitey there just took out her drone with a two-handed swing, which is going to require a moment to recover from (because that's how physics do). So Mr. Lightning Claw takes a fusion blaster point-blank to the gut, and that basically separates him at his skinny, probably-washboard-abbed middle... that's a tactically-unviable Space Marine. The Crisis Suit that is behind Shadowsun and facing her direction sees Whitey taking out the shield drone, and just puts its giant boot in his ass and sends him flying. Don't even need to try that hard. It's a big ass getting kicked by an even bigger boot.
Alternatively, she fires, the Iron Halo blocks the shot and she turns into red mist. Tau aren't the only ones with high-tech stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 18:42:02
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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He's not wearing an Iron Halo.
Mr. Lightning Claws does not appear to be equipped with the above item of wargear on his PA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 18:55:52
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Shrike's model doesn't have one either, but he's got oneby virtue of being a Marine Captain (and, in-game, because the rules say so).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 19:02:19
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Apparently, they left them at home. WYSIWYG.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 19:04:42
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Fine then, he's wearing it on his left shoulder pad and we can't see it, because his arm's blocking the view.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 19:16:18
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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The Iron Halo is a relatively large piece of wargear that mounts behind the head of the wearer, hence the name. They're a fairly iconic bit of gear in the franchise, and you don't go sticking it wherever you like, as the War-Spirit of your PA doesn't generally get on with such shenanigans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 19:34:20
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Lexicanum wrote:The Iron Halo appears as a spiked circle or half-circle of grey iron worn either on the helmet or the left shoulder pad. Sometimes it is more elaborate and takes the form of an actual halo arching over the Battle-Brother’s helmet, connected either to his gorget or backpack. In rare cases, the Iron Halo will also be inlaid with litanies of the Battle-Brother's deeds or the names of heroes of his Chapter.[3]
I didn't mention the left shoulder pad as just some random body part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 19:47:16
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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I have never seen an Iron Halo mounted anywhere on a pauldron on anything.
Lexi seems to be confusing the Halo for a Crux Terminatus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 20:05:05
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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I know I've seen Iron Halo shoulderpads somewhere, but I can't find it ATM, so that's anecdotal I suppose.
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 22:35:44
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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I am wondering if Lexicanum is confusing the force-field generating bit of wargear with the honor badge that goes by the same name, and is worn on the shoulder?
http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/ia/insignium/23_honourbadges.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 22:46:57
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Now I remember where I saw it!
Admittedly on his knee, but still.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 22:54:04
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Hmm... are you sure that's an Iron Halo? It just looks like a pretty typical "bling bit" that some SM get.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 23:04:56
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Looks like an Iron Halo surrounding a skull to me.
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/21 23:51:33
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Masculine Male Wych
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To answer the OPs question:
Shrike throws just ones on his to hit roll and GW decided to add a new random table to punish such a big failure. After rolling on that new table Shrike misses Shadowsun and hits Khan instead. With his last breath Khan put his sword through the throat of this Raven Guard traitor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/22 00:14:11
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Yes, but that's an Honor Badge, not the force-field creating device.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/22 15:07:34
Subject: Re:How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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It's big enough on the Helbrecht model to house a shield generator, and it's obviously not just painted onto his armour.
The entire point's moot anyway, we can't see Shadowsun's jump jets, so she can't jump away, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/22 21:59:13
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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She dies. The Tau are then retconned out of existence and Squats are brought back. All is right in the world.
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"If the application of force does not solve a problem; apply more force." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/22 22:32:48
Subject: How could Shadowsun possibly survive this fight?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Saevus wrote:She dies. The Tau are then retconned out of existence and Squats are brought back. All is right in the world.
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