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 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
In game terms I that she got smacked with the sword, then Shrike whiffs his attacks, or only does a single wound, end of turn 7, everyone goes home happy.

In universe, yeah, she's getting a beat down. Perhaps they leave her for dead thinking the four new ventilation holes in her chest have killed her and she survives?

Well. In game terms if it was me. Shrike and Khan would never get in close combat with her. I'd jump within 12 inches of them. Markerlight the squad to take away their pesky stealth rules and up BS. Then proceed to hit them with five str8 ap2 shots and 6 twin linked str6 ap2 shots before jumping 3d6 away from them. Then repeat the same thing next turn...

In response to your edit

Yeah a bit of the jet pack. Probs not flying away either then.

No, its a antenna. you can see it on the model. Her jetpack is a bit more integral, not a separate piece like crisis suits'.

nareik wrote:
The picture is a point of view image drawn from the perspective of a big battle suit as he unloads both weapons on the two space marine captains?

That made me chuckle.


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
It's just like a comic book. The cover is not in any way representative of the actual action going on inside.

How many comic books show the whole super team of good guys at the villains feet as he laughs or two good guys fighting to the death against each other when on the inside the team barely gets smacked around a bit and the two good guys have an argument over something trivial?

Oh good god I know. It really put me off comics that they kept doing that with the unrepresentative front covers.

Pretty sure Shadowsun is the villain here though. You've got two captains from "good" chapters trying stop an alien warlord. Plus she has the whole villainous screaming in frustrated rage as her wicked plans are foiled. You can almost hear her shouting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EnsUeR2MyI

1.) She might remember what that jetpack on her back is for.
2.) She might remember that a plasma gun can not only be used in close combat

Then again, the novel Savage Scars was bolter porn of the worst sort. The Imperium wants a genocide on a Tau homeworld, Tau flee and Space marines slaughter as many fleeing Tau as possible. Tau are characterised in two ways: Those that splatter by a projectile and those that splatter by a close combat weapon.
Also, the short novel Shadowsun had a melancholic undertone, so I wouldn't rule out GW ripping her to pieces.

She survives because Shadowsun doesn't take an XV8 bodyguard. So there's 6 stealth suits somewhere in that picture packing 2 fusion blasters and 4 burst cannons which are locked onto the space marines.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
She survives because Shadowsun doesn't take an XV8 bodyguard. So there's 6 stealth suits somewhere in that picture packing 2 fusion blasters and 4 burst cannons which are locked onto the space marines.

Actually now she is an independent character she can accompany a crisis squad even if she takes drones. Its what makes her so effective. Those crisis suits in the background are her bodyguards.


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 Kroothawk wrote:
1.) She might remember what that jetpack on her back is for.
2.) She might remember that a plasma gun can not only be used in close combat

Then again, the novel Savage Scars was bolter porn of the worst sort. The Imperium wants a genocide on a Tau homeworld, Tau flee and Space marines slaughter as many fleeing Tau as possible. Tau are characterised in two ways: Those that splatter by a projectile and those that splatter by a close combat weapon.
Also, the short novel Shadowsun had a melancholic undertone, so I wouldn't rule out GW ripping her to pieces.

Courage and Honour was worse. One space marine company and a single guard regiment demolishes this huge tau invasion despite being outnumbered 20:1.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
She survives because Shadowsun doesn't take an XV8 bodyguard. So there's 6 stealth suits somewhere in that picture packing 2 fusion blasters and 4 burst cannons which are locked onto the space marines.

Actually now she is an independent character she can accompany a crisis squad even if she takes drones. Its what makes her so effective. Those crisis suits in the background are her bodyguards.

Yes, but if she is in a uit of stealth suits they all get sworn protector (the ponly thing different between bodygaurds and crisis shas'vres)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Actually they are selling another audiobook which I suspect follows on from this fight thats in the novella. In it the White Scars are also chasing down Shadowsun to hunt her down.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/shape-of-the-hunt-mp3.html

You know. I think they might actually do it. Not like its never happened before. They killed Lelith in an old Deathwatch book. It would be a bit odd to sell two works of fiction about trying to kill Shadowsun and have them fail both times. Unless they make the point that this is a tragic failure on both instances or do it from Shadowsuns perspective for the novella and have the hunt be a tragic failure; they would almost have to do it to avoid cheating readers.

I really, really need to stop caring, and play/read Iron Kingdom stuff instead.

Yes.

Yes, you do indeed.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
She survives because Shadowsun doesn't take an XV8 bodyguard. So there's 6 stealth suits somewhere in that picture packing 2 fusion blasters and 4 burst cannons which are locked onto the space marines.

Those crisis suits in the background are her bodyguards.

Yes, but if she is in a uit of stealth suits they all get sworn protector (the ponly thing different between bodygaurds and crisis shas'vres)

Well. She can take full legit crisis suit bodyguards with sworn protector as well. But I find its unneccesary because she avoids being hit on a 2+ anyway for being an independent character and it means you can take a bigger squad of crisis suits for her to boost with her abilities. For me, stealth suits don't pack enough firepower, are too expensive pts wise and are too fragile' especially since Shadowsun confers her stealth n warlord abilities to whatever squad she joins.

Being that a rail weapon shot would pass through this 'picture' much quicker than Shrike's claw would fall...it is entirely possible that Tau fire knocks Shrike back before he can strike the blow.

Better question: why should we care? Are we supposed to be afraid of Shadowsun being killed off in the story and permanently removed from the game, rules and all?

 Wilytank wrote:
Better question: why should we care? Are we supposed to be afraid of Shadowsun being killed off in the story and permanently removed from the game, rules and all?

Well, she didn't really have any background or lore in the old edition of the codex. Then in this edition they added a lot of stuff to her backstory as well as giving her pivotal role in winning the war of confederation and the Agrellan campaign as part of the 3rd Sphere expansion. In old editions this was much more threadbare and less embellished. They've then made all this other stuff and references to this fight. It all seems to be part of building a more shared universe and ongoing backstory between the different publications.

IMO they probably wouldn't build up a character and then kill said character off in a short story which most people won't read. Its ultimately meant to be a promo to get people buying riptides, tau armies, white scars and raven guard; plus Knight titans. They probably felt that putting a special named character as the focus would be cooler/more unique than a random Shas O.

Nobodies asking you to care. I am more bemused at how you have an epic image which ultimately shows two marines bullying a weaker xenos character as if its this grand encounter. I just think its very representative of how things work in the 40k verse where you have bolter porn with the space marines being powerful and easily winning. Personally I would prefer if blac library did more to develop stories around their xenos characters(who aren't eldar) rather than feeling they have to always have humans and in particular space marines be the most important thing going on.

Thats some nice lookout sir's mam, tuna

So now we're blasting art for not being accurate to the tabletop then?

Okay, if that is the case, wouldn't that make the art a stunning vision of Shadowsun JSJing? And hell why is Shrike even in the book given how crap assault is now, amirite?

 curran12 wrote:
So now we're blasting art for not being accurate to the tabletop then?

Okay, if that is the case, wouldn't that make the art a stunning vision of Shadowsun JSJing? And hell why is Shrike even in the book given how crap assault is now, amirite?

No I am just replying to some rules things. Thats an off topic thing.

Its more because this artwork isn't really a fight with opponents duelling it out with the outcome in the balance. You have one helpless character about to be coup de grace by a space marine. The art shows you the killing blow being made. This makes it impossible to imagine Shadowsun surviving.

Don't get me wrong. Its an amazing piece of art and as I said before I like that Shadowsun has gotten this much attention and been associated with recent releases. But that image is an execution not a fight.

Even if Shadowsun dies on a Space Marine blade, that wouldn't necessarily pull her from the Codex. Captain Tycho is unequivocably dead but he's still in the BA book. His page even describes how it happens.

But yeah. The only way she lives is if the claws don't kill her outright and just put her down in critical condition, then the rest of the cadre manage to drive off the Captains before they can secure the kill. I could see GW doing that, having her do the whole near death experience and wringing it for all the drama and terrible writing they can.

Anyone who thinks Shadowsun is going to actually die in this story is an idiot.

Yes, she should get cut to pieces against a duo who have beaten a daemon prince in close combat before, but she won't. With Farsight off in the Enclaves, she's the flagship character of the Tau Empire.

Anyway, it's a picture, which is just a single-snap shot in time. With her footing as it is it's feasible for her to bring her right foot back and to her left, side-stepping Shrike's blow completely, at which point if she were smart, she'd use that vastly superior to any Imperium-tech jetpack to go skyborne and rain down hell upon the two captains, or leave.

The way she's leaning back would make that side-step pretty damn difficult though. I've never understood why Tau prefer to have their weapons underslung rather than shoulder-mounted, so that they can lean into their shots.

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Also, Lelith was killed in one of the Salamander novels.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Yes.

Yes, you do indeed.

Do not worry, I would still come back to bother you .

 Wilytank wrote:
Are we supposed to be afraid of Shadowsun being killed off in the story and permanently removed from the game, rules and all?

Not from the game, it allows you to play dead characters (especially now with HH), but from the lore, yes.


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
Anyone who thinks Shadowsun is going to actually die in this story is an idiot.

Uh, thanks for the compliment, I guess…

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Anyone who thinks Shadowsun is going to actually die in this story is an idiot.

Yes, she should get cut to pieces against a duo who have beaten a daemon prince in close combat before, but she won't. With Farsight off in the Enclaves, she's the flagship character of the Tau Empire.

Anyway, it's a picture, which is just a single-snap shot in time. With her footing as it is it's feasible for her to side-step to the left and make Shrike whiff completely, at which point if she were smart, she'd use that vastly superior to any Imperium-tech jetpack to go skyborne and rain down hell upon the two captains, or leave.

Well we actually know she doesn't die in THIS story because Black library has ANOTHER white scars trying to murder shadowsun book.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/shape-of-the-hunt-mp3.html

They won't be milking it for a near death epxerience because the stories will be from the space marines perspectives.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Neither of them have eternal warrior and she has a fusion blaster.
Oh, and Shadowsun has a Sheild generator

And both Captains have Iron Halos...

 ace101 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Neither of them have eternal warrior and she has a fusion blaster.
Oh, and Shadowsun has a Sheild generator

And both Captains have Iron Halos...

Assuming that she uses her drones to re-roll ones that's a 41% chance to kill at least one and a 16% to kill both. If she focuses on only one of them that's an 81% chance to kill. That's factoring in the iron halo. Without it it's a 65% to kill both, 81% to kill one, 162% to kill one with focus.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
162% to kill one with focus.

Your math is wrong.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
162% to kill one with focus.

Your math is wrong.

Without Iron Halo and with re-rolling ones its a 35/36 chance to hit, a 5/6 chance to wound with two shots that's 2((35/36)(5/6))=1.62037037≈162%

You can never reach or exceed 100% as long as random dice rolls are included. What you mean is probably that she'd kill 1,62 captains on average.

You do not understand. If you find that the chances for anything to happen are greater than 1 (except if said event is “Some marines will betray”. This can go as far as over nine thousand !), then your maths are wrong.

Apparently you are computing the expected number of kills. Which, frankly, does not make much sense.
If you want to compute the chance of killing one of those miserable marines, you should work that way :
The chance of a marine being killed is 1-chances of a marine surviving.
The chance of a marine surviving is the chance of a marine surviving the first shot times the chance of him surviving the second shot knowing that he survived the first shot.
The chance of a marine surviving the first shot is 1- the chance of him dying to the first shot.

The correct formula is 1-( [1-(35/36×5/6)]² ).


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End result is 44975 chances out of 46 656 to kill that marine dead.
Decimal approximation : 0.9639703360768175582990397805212620027434842249657064

Also, Lelith was killed in one of the Salamander novels.

Are you thinking of Lyythe in Nocturne - Lleith was killed in a really old BL novel I think but I can't recal which one.

With Shadowsun - well maybe GW think there are already too many female characters..................sarcasm

Oxayotl, I see why you say 'sisters of spite'. xC
Rarely have I seen such butthurt, although partially justified.

 Mr Morden wrote:
With Shadowsun - well maybe GW think there are already too many female characters..................sarcasm

Cannot risk the precious marines getting cooties, can we ?

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Oxayotl, I see why you say 'sisters of spite'. xC

Yeah, I am not hiding anything, it is displayed for all to see !
It is Sisters of Bitter, though. Sounds closer to Sisters of Battle. But yeah, Acts of Spite.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Rarely have I seen such butthurt, although partially justified.

Only partially ?

Easy the guy in white his sword is stuck in a rock, Guy with blades isn't actually striking he is slipping on a banana peel and Shadowsun just jump packs out......simple as that.

Or its just a nice piece of art and it doesn't matter how shadowsun survives haha

Btw Khan is killing a drone not her. That drone is messed up.
Still what could happen is Shadowsun engages a single thruster spinning her just millimetres out of reach just scarring up her armour (counts as invulnerable save), the crisis suit blasts forward knocking shrike back but sacrificing itself. Then Khan follows up with another swing, but Shadowsun facing him (from the turn) blasts him, knocking him away. Meanwhile using her split fire rule she fires at Shrike.
Hit jump pack get hit and in the confusion she engages her stealth field to vanish.

Bit off topic but more stuff from the artist


http://ukitakumuki.deviantart.com/art/Black-Library-The-Shape-of-the-Hunt-440917248