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"What do you mean I'm barred from the armory? Whose idea was that! It would cause a moral problem with my battle brothers if they see me wielding a different weapon? Nonsense! Even the Imperial Guard have an armory! Who goes to battle without an armory! Wait what? Craftworld eldar? I thought they were all dead? Really.
Mount up! We got to purge some Xenos!

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Fluff question: is it written in DW codex that they have access to real Custodian Spears or are they using just inferior copies?

DW get access to all sorts of goodies that most don't, if not purely due to the Inquisition granting them the rights to do so.

So, knowing that, it's entirely possible the Watch Master (Especially by his age, considering how slowly Marines age, this guy must be ancient) was gifted a relic, or possibly WAS/IS a Custodes. Remember, the Minotaurs chapter master has a Custodes Halberd as well.

Hadn't seen this posted yet....

Bwhahahahaha!!!!!
(Exaltin' time!)
(In ref to JOnneyhell's earlier skit dialogue)

Cephalobeard wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Fluff question: is it written in DW codex that they have access to real Custodian Spears or are they using just inferior copies?

DW get access to all sorts of goodies that most don't, if not purely due to the Inquisition granting them the rights to do so.

So, knowing that, it's entirely possible the Watch Master (Especially by his age, considering how slowly Marines age, this guy must be ancient) was gifted a relic, or possibly WAS/IS a Custodes. Remember, the Minotaurs chapter master has a Custodes Halberd as well.

Yeah, I know that they use lot of stuff normally unavailable but would like a confirmation from luchiban or anyone with a codex Also no way a Custodian would be a WM in DW. They do not mix with inferior supersoldiers

Fair enough! I feel you there.

Warp Rider wrote:
It looks pretty, goes on pre-order this Saturday and UK price is £95, which when you think about, the Deathwatch side (based on rough estimates) are about £130 alone. So tempted but I really need to show some restraint!

I haven't bought a new 40K model in years, but this is tempting even if all I ever do with the set is paint them up.

YEP that's a Ynnead reference

So, going by the army units, it looks like Deathwatch does not have access to a Land Raider Crusader. They only have normal Land Raiders and Redeemers. I wonder why they get short changed?

Is there any formation for harlies (and maybe Ulthran)?

EDIT: Ah, ignore my question please. It was Deathwatch codex, not the Death Masque box my mistake.

I'd really like to see harlie rules as well as arts, although most people are interested in deathwatch.

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, going by the army units, it looks like Deathwatch does not have access to a Land Raider Crusader. They only have normal Land Raiders and Redeemers. I wonder why they get short changed?

The list is cropped. No page 90 and a big jump in the other column. Someone has assured LRC is present.

The only harlie rules in there will be for the formation including Eldrad. Probably won't see that until people get hold of boxes.

Well. Gak. They'll have my money after all. Feth me.

Wachaza wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, going by the army units, it looks like Deathwatch does not have access to a Land Raider Crusader. They only have normal Land Raiders and Redeemers. I wonder why they get short changed?

The list is cropped. No page 90 and a big jump in the other column. Someone has assured LRC is present.

The only harlie rules in there will be for the formation including Eldrad. Probably won't see that until people get hold of boxes.

Yep, the Crusader is in, no worries

Are inquisitors?

migooo wrote:
Are inquisitors?

Nope. You will need the Inquisition Codex for that ^^

Hi luchiban!

What new formations to the DW have acces to and their bonuses?
Do DW use chapter tactics at all or specific DC chapter tactics?
What artifacts do they have?
New weapons?
Stats for the flyer and rules?
New special rules?

Any chance for a picture of Eldrad, Iuchiban?

jesper77 wrote:
Hi luchiban!
Do DW use chapter tactics at all or specific DC chapter tactics?

Not Luchiban, but if you have the rules for the Overkill guys?

None of them used Chapter Tactics. They had USRs that matched the Chapter Tactics.

Are there restrictions for using xenos weapons or you can go radical without worries?

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Are there restrictions for using xenos weapons or you can go radical without worries?

Why would there be worries?

Deathwatch use xenos weapons. It's irony at its finest to murder the alien with their own technology.

 Atia wrote:

migooo wrote:
Are inquisitors?

Nope. You will need the Inquisition Codex for that ^^

Atia, do you know if the -BIKES- have DW specific iconography?

They have Frag cannons

Frag cannons AND Heavy Bolters w/ Flamers mounted underneath them. I never knew I wanted that.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Are there restrictions for using xenos weapons or you can go radical without worries?

Why would there be worries?

Deathwatch use xenos weapons. It's irony at its finest to murder the alien with their own technology.

I know but how much of it would be considered ok = not branded radical? I do not say that they will care or not care (probably depends of WM in question) but I simply asked if there are any restrictions (also in rules=you can field weapon X but then are limited to only squad Y etc.).

Well, well ...

let's get the party started:

First of all some general stuff:

- No named Characters in the codex

-The "Chapter Tactic" of the Deathwatch is called: Mission Tactics. At the beginning of your first turn you choose: HQ, Elite, Troops, Fast Attack or Heavy Support. You may reroll 1`s to hit vs Targets of the chosen type. Once per battle, at the beginning of any of your turns you may change the chosen type.

- There is a "Decurión" style formation in the codex called Black Spear Strike Force

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Soooo... Artemis has little in common with the original mini apart from pose and being a Deathwatch Marine then? Different sword, a combi-weapon not a bolter, relics and adornments different, addition of a cape and backpack bling. Why even call him Artemis?

I change my clothes, adornments and work tools from time to time, yet my name stays the same.

I must admit I find this latest box set strange to say the least.

Don't get me wrong, the models look good, and the value for money is excellent, but Deathwatch...again...

Very strange...

I look at that flier, and two things spring to mind:

1) Somebody's been watching Empire Strikes back, recently...

2) The old Rick Priestly interview where he made the point that the models drive the rules, and not vice versa, springs to mind. Somebody designed this flier and then dumped it on the desk of one of the games designers...

Not the way I'd plan a release schedule...

Available Datasheets are:

HQ
- Watch Master
- Watch Captain
- Chaplain
- Librarian


Troops
- Veterans

Elite
Terminators
Dreadnought
Venerable D.
Vanguard Veteran

Fast Attack
Bikes
Rhino
Razorback
Drop Pod
Corvus Blackstar

HS
All three types of Land Raider


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 Azazelx wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Soooo... Artemis has little in common with the original mini apart from pose and being a Deathwatch Marine then? Different sword, a combi-weapon not a bolter, relics and adornments different, addition of a cape and backpack bling. Why even call him Artemis?

I change my clothes, adornments and work tools from time to time, yet my name stays the same.

His datasheet is in the box, not in the codex.

Is the Heavy Bolter rocking a Heavy Flamer or a normal Flamer underslung?

Well obviously we need to know what the detachment bonus is. Sure we can run CAD apparently but that's boring.


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Iuchiban wrote:
Well, well ...

let's get the party started:

First of all some general stuff:

- No named Characters in the codex

-The "Chapter Tactic" of the Deathwatch is called: Mission Tactics. At the beginning of your first turn you choose: HQ, Elite, Troops, Fast Attack or Heavy Support. You may reroll 1`s to hit vs Targets of the chosen type. Once per battle, at the beginning of any of your turns you may change the chosen type.

- There is a "Decurión" style formation in the codex called Black Spear Strike Force

That's actually not a bad rule. Do Veterans all have Special Ammunition still?

Let's start with the HQ:

Watch Master:
- 175 points
- Chapter master profile (No EW)
- 2+ Armour sabe
- Equipped with: Guardian Spear, Granades, Clavis, Iron Halo
- Special Rules: IC, Mission Tactics, ATWKNF, Tactic Master

Guardian Spear: S+1, AP2, Melee, 2 hands, Block (Once per turn choose an attack the hit the bearer. Roll a D6, if the result is higher than the to hit roll of the enemy, attack is ignored).
Clavis; -1 to WS, BS and I to enemy vehicles at 6"
Tactic master: If chosen as the Warlord, you may change the Mission Tactic rule one additional time per game.