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 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

jouso wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
See, they do understand the importance of a minutes silence when it suits them. Evil hateful bastards.

Playing devil's advocate here but when was the last time a Western football team held a minute of silence for a terror attack happening on Saudi Arabia or Yemen? (plenty of them around).

I am pretty damned sure Portugal would do it if the other team was going to do it. It's called having a modicum of respect and decency.

Whoops. Thought they were just playing a random game with someone else from the region.

jouso wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
See, they do understand the importance of a minutes silence when it suits them. Evil hateful bastards.

Playing devil's advocate here but when was the last time a Western football team held a minute of silence for a terror attack happening on Saudi Arabia or Yemen? (plenty of them around).

I'm sure if the local team started observing a minute silence any western football team would join in and do the same.

That said I'm hoping it was just a misunderstanding, do the Saudi players all understand English well enough? Maybe they just didn't understand that's what was happening and weren't told beforehand that was going to happen.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

jouso wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
See, they do understand the importance of a minutes silence when it suits them. Evil hateful bastards.

Playing devil's advocate here but when was the last time a Western football team held a minute of silence for a terror attack happening on Saudi Arabia or Yemen? (plenty of them around).

I'm sure if the local team started observing a minute silence any western football team would join in and do the same.

That said I'm hoping it was just a misunderstanding, do the Saudi players all understand English well enough? Maybe they just didn't understand that's what was happening and weren't told beforehand that was going to happen.

They understand it. Theres no other way to look at it. Those football players are all douchebags. The world is full of those, sadly.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

jouso wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
See, they do understand the importance of a minutes silence when it suits them. Evil hateful bastards.

Playing devil's advocate here but when was the last time a Western football team held a minute of silence for a terror attack happening on Saudi Arabia or Yemen? (plenty of them around).

I'm sure if the local team started observing a minute silence any western football team would join in and do the same.

That said I'm hoping it was just a misunderstanding, do the Saudi players all understand English well enough? Maybe they just didn't understand that's what was happening and weren't told beforehand that was going to happen.

According to the BBC, they were told in advance.

Seems to me they were being douchebags.

 Spinner wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

jouso wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
See, they do understand the importance of a minutes silence when it suits them. Evil hateful bastards.

Playing devil's advocate here but when was the last time a Western football team held a minute of silence for a terror attack happening on Saudi Arabia or Yemen? (plenty of them around).

I'm sure if the local team started observing a minute silence any western football team would join in and do the same.

That said I'm hoping it was just a misunderstanding, do the Saudi players all understand English well enough? Maybe they just didn't understand that's what was happening and weren't told beforehand that was going to happen.

According to the BBC, they were told in advance.

Seems to me they were being douchebags.

If they knew beforehand, then yes, a bunch of d-bags. Even a primary school soccer team should be reprimanded for such pathetic behaviour.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
If they knew beforehand, then yes, a bunch of d-bags. Even a primary school soccer team should be reprimanded for such pathetic behaviour.

Luckily they're nowhere near top flight, but as usual KSA gets a free pass as long as the oil for weapons program keeps flowing.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Saudi Arabia is NOT our friend, it is our ENEMY. We should be cutting all ties with them, cancelling all arms deals, boycotting their oil.

If we even still have an "Axis of Evil", Saudi Arabia should be on it.

Tell that to your politicians and watch them ignore it.
Then blame it on PC culture…

One Saudi player did stop honour the minute's silence. So good on that guy. But it also shows the team as a whole would have been aware, and chose not to acknowledge the silence.

Now possibly they were resentful because we treat terror attacks in the West with great sensitivity, but show almost complete indifference to the constant attacks that occur in many places in the ME. So maybe the players were resentful about that. But while that may be a good point, the Saudis were in the home town of one of the victims of the attack, and that place was choosing to spend a minute honouring the dead. And the Saudis ignored that local rememberance, which is a total dick move even if there is a grievance at the bottom of the issue.

 sebster wrote:
Now possibly they were resentful because we treat terror attacks in the West with great sensitivity, but show almost complete indifference to the constant attacks that occur in many places in the ME.

How many happen in Saudi Arabia though? Frankly I don't think Saudi identify that much with Iraki or Syrians that they would care deeply about it…

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 sebster wrote:
Now possibly they were resentful because we treat terror attacks in the West with great sensitivity, but show almost complete indifference to the constant attacks that occur in many places in the ME.

How many happen in Saudi Arabia though? Frankly I don't think Saudi identify that much with Iraki or Syrians that they would care deeply about it…

Thats true... Saudi have publicly seemed condemned little going on there and kept quiet on alot of stuff.
They have not been loudest for or against much in public statements that is anyway.

They seem to meddle is some issues, and at times condemn others.
Those they seem to ignore more of present but probably keep a careful watch on things.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
How many happen in Saudi Arabia though? Frankly I don't think Saudi identify that much with Iraki or Syrians that they would care deeply about it…

There was one earlier this year that killed two people, including a baby. Last year there was three, including the attack on Medina. There was another five or six in 2015. Mostly car bombs and suicide bombs, targeting mosques, soldiers or oil production. I don't think any of it got any media coverage in the West, outside of the Medina attack.

In the context of other ME countries it's pretty minor. It's nothing compared to Syria or Iraq. So that's possibly the context that many Saudis see the issue - a couple of people in a couple of attacks each year isn't something to that demands constant public displays of mourning. And then if you contrast that how this is dealt with in the West, where we need to give a public display of mourning, where the amount of grief is clearly linked, among other things, to how white the victims are, then I can understand to an extent some level of resentment.

Again, though, this isn't to defend what the Saudi players did, which was a dick move.


Oh, and while I agree that I doubt too many Saudis would be that personally invested in Syria or Iraq, it's natural for people to feign concern for others in order to stake a claim of being personally aggrieved. The whole region was downright cruel to the Palestinians for centuries, but once sympathy for their Palestinian arab brothers became a way of sticking it to Israel and the West, they assumed that posture. That kind of bs is just human nature, unfortunately.

 sebster wrote:
There was one earlier this year that killed two people, including a baby. Last year there was three, including the attack on Medina. There was another five or six in 2015. Mostly car bombs and suicide bombs, targeting mosques, soldiers or oil production.

I admit I was expecting way less.

 sebster wrote:
And then if you contrast that how this is dealt with in the West, where we need to give a public display of mourning, where the amount of grief is clearly linked, among other things, to how white the victims are, then I can understand to an extent some level of resentment.

That's quite true. There is also a bit of “more reaction to something that is more unexpected/unusual” (as in, people will talk more about the recent terror attack in Iran than they do about a terror attack in Irak because Iran has very few terror attack) but even then the public displays of mourning for the Iran attack was… well, not very high. Like for instance President Lapdog of the Saudi tweeted a very insensitive tweet…

In fairness, he tends to do that if there's a terror attack anywhere.

Guy uses van to hit another bunch of people in London - all Muslims leaving Finsbury Park mosque after prayers.

Apparently the cops took an hour to arrive (according to eye-witnesses, no one confirming as of yet).

Reports of one person killed.

It's beyond time that Britain First was declared a terrorist organisation. First Jo Cox, now this barely a year after her murder by a right wing extremist.

Cops say they were there in ten minutes.

There are going to be pretty serious reactions if this starts being reported as lone, deranged attacker. Current official position is 'possible terrorism'.

Acorsing to some attacker was reported "I'm gonna kill all Muslims"

Seems like a terror attack to me...
Its religiously motivated it seems..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/finsbury-park-mosque-latest-terror-attack-london-live/

Looking forward to Douglas Murray demanding to know which pub this man was radicalised and why his fellow drinkers didn't report him in advance.

Another attack? This one sounds different but I hope is investigated just like the other for links etc. A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack.

 Frazzled wrote:
Another attack? This one sounds different but I hope is investigated just like the other for links etc. A terrorist attack is a terrorist attack.

Absolutely. It doesn't matter what ideas or what ideology motivates you to run a car into a group of people. It is unacceptable.

Edit: reports I was referring to seem to have been removed so probably false info.

nfe wrote:
Good old US media publishing details not yet announced by UK police, again. Some claiming that the driver was a Jewish American, which I really hope is incorrect. Last thing we need.

New rule.

If the source is unnamed, use truckloads of .

The media has so much egg on it's face in the last 12 months...

nfe wrote:
Looking forward to Douglas Murray demanding to know which pub this man was radicalised and why his fellow drinkers didn't report him in advance.

If friends and family knew of his intentions but kept quiet, then yes, they should be held accountable.

Now also arrested on terrorism charges, on top of murder and attempted murder.

Now can we ban Britain First and the EDL as terror groups? Or do we need them to murder a white Tory first?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now also arrested on terrorism charges, on top of murder and attempted murder.

Now can we ban Britain First and the EDL as terror groups? Or do we need them to murder a white Tory first?

Er..trying not to open a can of worms, but what are EDL and Britain First?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now also arrested on terrorism charges, on top of murder and attempted murder.

Now can we ban Britain First and the EDL as terror groups? Or do we need them to murder a white Tory first?

Er..trying not to open a can of worms, but what are EDL and Britain First?

The English Defence League (EDL) is a far-right street protest movement which focuses on opposition to what it considers to be a spread of Islamism and Sharia in the United Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League

Britain First is a far-right and British nationalist political party and movement formed in 2011 by former members of the British National Party (BNP)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First

 whembly wrote:

nfe wrote:
Good old US media publishing details not yet announced by UK police, again. Some claiming that the driver was a Jewish American, which I really hope is incorrect. Last thing we need.

New rule.

If the source is unnamed, use truckloads of .

The media has so much egg on it's face in the last 12 months...

Old rule.

If a headline (or video title or text scroll) ends in a question mark, the answer is probably "no".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

 Frazzled wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now also arrested on terrorism charges, on top of murder and attempted murder.

Now can we ban Britain First and the EDL as terror groups? Or do we need them to murder a white Tory first?

Er..trying not to open a can of worms, but what are EDL and Britain First?

English Defence League, and the other one, are "keep Britain White" type organizations. Racist gakstains, basically.

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now also arrested on terrorism charges, on top of murder and attempted murder.

Now can we ban Britain First and the EDL as terror groups? Or do we need them to murder a white Tory first?

Er..trying not to open a can of worms, but what are EDL and Britain First?

English Defence League, and the other one, are "keep Britain White" type organizations. Racist gakstains, basically.

Would they be considered at the level of neo Nazis, Klan or just nationalistic?

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now also arrested on terrorism charges, on top of murder and attempted murder.

Now can we ban Britain First and the EDL as terror groups? Or do we need them to murder a white Tory first?

Er..trying not to open a can of worms, but what are EDL and Britain First?

English Defence League, and the other one, are "keep Britain White" type organizations. Racist gakstains, basically.

Would they be considered at the level of neo Nazis, Klan or just nationalistic?

Britain First yes.

The EDL are more like football hooligans than actual Neo Nazis. Calling them Nazis would be undeserved flattery.