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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

If you're into giant monsters, and especially giant monsters fighting other giant monsters, that is. Seriously, if you wanted to watch giant monster fights, this is as good it gets.

If you're looking for good acting, solid characters, and other film school stuff, go elsewhere.



Saw it in theater (which is rare enough for me) with the wife today, and this is fairly spot on.

Without going in to spoilers, the plot is quite predictable, but not really in a bad way. Some stuff gets super telegraphed what will happen (and I don't mean foreshadowing here) and no surprise it does. Bit of humor/levity in spots so its not all GrimDark.

I especially liked the end and the possibilities it opens up for the future.
   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw it on preview, and it's AWESOMELY GREAT!

If you're into giant monsters, and especially giant monsters fighting other giant monsters, that is. Seriously, if you wanted to watch giant monster fights, this is as good it gets.

If you're looking for good acting, solid characters, and other film school stuff, go elsewhere.


Seen it day before yesterday, and it's awesome! Granted, I do agree with what you said in regarding to the acting, and by extension the plot and the script. (Though if you're there for the acting/plot/script, one might wonder why you're watching a Kaiju movie in the first place )
   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw it on preview, and it's AWESOMELY GREAT!

If you're into giant monsters, and especially giant monsters fighting other giant monsters, that is. Seriously, if you wanted to watch giant monster fights, this is as good it gets.

If you're looking for good acting, solid characters, and other film school stuff, go elsewhere.


you mean, those crazy things that make good movies?

The issue is that it should not be that way. It most certainly does not HAVE to be. If you need an example of this, I point you to Kong: Skull Island


The run time is so drawn out that the entire film could have been about a half hour long, instead of two hours. If all you want is a highlight film of WWE style monster smackdown, buy Godzilla for PS 4, you'll get more for your money.

I think that if WB is looking to create a franchise of films, they need to look into make them not only about Giant Monster, but also GOOD.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw it on preview, and it's AWESOMELY GREAT!

If you're into giant monsters, and especially giant monsters fighting other giant monsters, that is. Seriously, if you wanted to watch giant monster fights, this is as good it gets.

If you're looking for good acting, solid characters, and other film school stuff, go elsewhere.


you mean, those crazy things that make good movies?

The issue is that it should not be that way. It most certainly does not HAVE to be. If you need an example of this, I point you to Kong: Skull Island

The run time is so drawn out that the entire film could have been about a half hour long, instead of two hours. If all you want is a highlight film of WWE style monster smackdown, buy Godzilla for PS 4, you'll get more for your money.

I think that if WB is looking to create a franchise of films, they need to look into make them not only about Giant Monster, but also GOOD.


Puh-leaze. KSI was absolute garbage compared to Jackson's Kong. If it doesn't show savages delving into the Deepest, Darkest Africa tropes, it's not a Kong movie. Kong is thematically synonymous with White Savior tropes, and failing to play them up is an absolute failure on the part of any director. Total failure to understand the source material. It's the American GINO, but with Kong.

I am not looking forward to Godzilla Kong, unless Kong gets the GINO treatment from Final Wars.

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It helps that the movie is practically a love letter to Ghidorah, The Three Headed Monster in it's own way.

Honestly, I love my monster action films. It seems the audience scores are quite good for it as well at this point in time even if the critics aren't thrilled.

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People who are rating are probably like me, they went to see monsters fight and whenever humans are on the screen it’s just like, uh get back to the monsters please.

Many cuts away from the fights to the dumb boring humans really irritated me in this movie. But there was so much more monster fighting than in Godzilla 2014 so that was great.

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At least the human parts were just cheesy additions to the monster bits. Serizawa always seems to amuse me just how seriously he managed to make every single line sound.

But yes, I was there for the Kaiju. I went for two hours of WWE Kaiju wrestling. I got what I went for and then some.
   
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I would have liked more WWE kaiju fightin.’

They seemed to forget that a simple punch can be exciting. Not everything needs to be a finishing move.

   
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I absolutely loved it, but you need to know up front that the bar for me to like a monster movie, and especially Godzilla movie is very, very low. I am not impartial in any way.

Some of the human drama was stupid, but I don't care about the human drama at all. To me, they are only there in my mind to set the stage for the next monster scene. That being said, if you get Charles Dance, you gotta do something better with him.

One of the negative reviews I read said it looked like the whole movie had been run through a blue Instagram filter. This is accurate, they are totally guilty of this. The color grading is pretty extreme.

I agree some of the fights could have been a little lengthier and less... extreme, I guess? Like Manchu said, more regular old punches would have been cool.

I loved the way Ghidorah looked and moved, especially when he kinda slithered one head at one point towards the end. I also liked when the heads would "bicker" with each other a little Visually it was amazing.

Spoiler:
I don't really remember Rodan being a dick when I was a kid. He was kind of a baddie! And then when he bowed, I knew exactly which baddie - Starscream.


 BaronIveagh wrote:
Spoiler:
Also, a bomb with a timer needs ABSOLUTELY NO ONE to STAY WITH IT. IT HAS A fething TIMER AND THERE *IS NO MANUAL DETONATOR*


Spoiler:
I think the reason he stayed was that in getting that close and placing it, he took lethal radiation. I think it was an allegory for the old people volunteering to help clean up Fukishima.








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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw it on preview, and it's AWESOMELY GREAT!

If you're into giant monsters, and especially giant monsters fighting other giant monsters, that is. Seriously, if you wanted to watch giant monster fights, this is as good it gets.

If you're looking for good acting, solid characters, and other film school stuff, go elsewhere.


you mean, those crazy things that make good movies?

The issue is that it should not be that way. It most certainly does not HAVE to be. If you need an example of this, I point you to Kong: Skull Island


The run time is so drawn out that the entire film could have been about a half hour long, instead of two hours. If all you want is a highlight film of WWE style monster smackdown, buy Godzilla for PS 4, you'll get more for your money.

I think that if WB is looking to create a franchise of films, they need to look into make them not only about Giant Monster, but also GOOD.


I'll repeat what I told a friend of mine after we went to go see one of the earlier Godzilla movies.

"Dude, a 500' lizard stomping on Tokyo WAS the plot. If you wanted more, you were in the wrong theater."

I submit, you're expecting things out of kaiju movies they're not designed to deliver. You were simply in the wrong theater for what you wanted.

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
 BaronIveagh wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw it on preview, and it's AWESOMELY GREAT!

If you're into giant monsters, and especially giant monsters fighting other giant monsters, that is. Seriously, if you wanted to watch giant monster fights, this is as good it gets.

If you're looking for good acting, solid characters, and other film school stuff, go elsewhere.


you mean, those crazy things that make good movies?

The issue is that it should not be that way. It most certainly does not HAVE to be. If you need an example of this, I point you to Kong: Skull Island

The run time is so drawn out that the entire film could have been about a half hour long, instead of two hours. If all you want is a highlight film of WWE style monster smackdown, buy Godzilla for PS 4, you'll get more for your money.

I think that if WB is looking to create a franchise of films, they need to look into make them not only about Giant Monster, but also GOOD.


Puh-leaze. KSI was absolute garbage compared to Jackson's Kong. If it doesn't show savages delving into the Deepest, Darkest Africa tropes, it's not a Kong movie. Kong is thematically synonymous with White Savior tropes, and failing to play them up is an absolute failure on the part of any director. Total failure to understand the source material. It's the American GINO, but with Kong.

I am not looking forward to Godzilla Kong, unless Kong gets the GINO treatment from Final Wars.


First of all, Jackson's King Kong was an abomination of a movie. Second, Kong in Skull Island was a metaphor for every brown enemy in a jungle the US ever fought. Instead of sacrificing a blonde starlet, the US sacrificed its innocence/moral high ground/sanity/I don't know, but Samuel L Jackson nailed it.

I'd take KSI over JacksonKong any day. I'd take King Kong Lives over JacksonKong.

King Kong Escapes ruled, too.

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That was legit one of the worst films I've ever seen. I would probably rank it alongside Independence Day Resurgence for quality. If it's possible it seemed like there was somehow even less kaiju fighting than the 2014 film. The movie is chock full of stupid human crap as if the director forgot the monsters are the whole point of movies like this. You probably never see more than 5 seconds of kaiju fighting at once before a cutaway to someone doing or saying something stupid.
   
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Ouze, you are so right about the bickering Ghidorah heads, very characterful.

Spoiler:
did you note Godzilla bit off the one that kept being snapped at by the center head?

   
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I did not! Awesome.

Is that Ghidorah
Spoiler:
head going to be used as the basis for Mechagodzilla, do you think?

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 creeping-deth87 wrote:
as if the director forgot the monsters are the whole point of movies like this.


Watch more old Godzilla films then come back to us.


I liked the movie alot, call me crazy but I liked it more than Endgame. Which, is fitting cause I was looking forward to it alot more than Endgame.
Can't wait for the next one, and hopefully any that come after that one.

Spoiler:
Clone Ghidorah and/or Mecha-Ghidorah here we come!
   
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I really enjoyed it. They have a contract for one more film. Godzilla vs Kong. Then they have to renegotiate with Toho to keep the godzilla monsters license.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

The Nazis were right. It's better to be a Nazi than a fan.

Thank you for getting me on the side of Milo and the Nazis.

 
   
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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I liked the movie alot, call me crazy but I liked it more than Endgame. Which, is fitting cause I was looking forward to it alot more than Endgame.


I feel the same even though Endgame is a better movie by pretty much every metric. The problem there is that at this point, pretty much all of the Marvel movies feel the same to me. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - because I love them all - but I don't exactly get excited for them anymore either. It's like having a piece of delicious chocolate cake every Tuesday. It's nice, and you enjoy it, but it's not fresh either.
   
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Going to see this today. Looking forward to it a lot - but I'm very easily pleased by monster movies.

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Ouze, I would be surprised if that’s what was going on because in the past the only time Mechagodzilla had a biological component (Kiryu), it was from GodIlla rather than his enemy. I would bet the severed head will tie into the regenerative power angle we saw in this movie.

   
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 Ouze wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I liked the movie alot, call me crazy but I liked it more than Endgame. Which, is fitting cause I was looking forward to it alot more than Endgame.


I feel the same even though Endgame is a better movie by pretty much every metric. The problem there is that at this point, pretty much all of the Marvel movies feel the same to me. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - because I love them all - but I don't exactly get excited for them anymore either. It's like having a piece of delicious chocolate cake every Tuesday. It's nice, and you enjoy it, but it's not fresh either.


Oh yeah, on the metrics a much better movie, but like you mentioned, its just more of the same. Too much of a good thing and all that.

Spoiler:
One thing I forgot to mention was how pleased I was that Charles Dance didn't die. At the end (before the credits finished) though I was like, What the Hell happened to him? Oh...oh... I like where this is going.

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 Manchu wrote:
Ouze, I would be surprised if that’s what was going on because in the past the only time Mechagodzilla had a biological component (Kiryu), it was from GodIlla rather than his enemy. I would bet the severed head will tie into the regenerative power angle we saw in this movie.


I'd imagine we will meet the aliens before we get Mechagodzilla. Since it was confirmed that King Ghidorah was an Alien entity that means there could be another planet of Titan's or humanlike aliens that could create their own.

Since we never got an actual explanation for how King Ghidorah got a ride to the planet in the movie aside from "He's here, but he came from the skies"

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Just finished watching it with the wife and I have to say as a 30 year fan of Godzilla (since I was 5-6 years old) I was insanely satisfied. Tons of little callbacks to old Godzilla tropes and elements. Also a perfect level of lots of Godzilla fights while terrified people tried not to get crushed by mountains of flesh.



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I just saw it and I loveedee it, Even the human parts where interesting
My next guess for Kong Vs Godzilla is we are gonna get destroyah
Man there where so many call backs to OG movies I loved it.

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nfe wrote:
Going to see this today. Looking forward to it a lot - but I'm very easily pleased by monster movies.


Well. I fell asleep through most of it. Saw a couple scraps before hand and then the big one at the end. If there was wall-to-wall monster bust-ups in between it would have been good fun. If there wasn't it was probably a bad film.

Fun to see Charles Dance back doing full-tilt scenery-chewing like the Last Action Hero glory days.
   
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I loved it. Yes the human element is meh but that's par for every Gozilla film ever. Humans wax over some sort of philosophical or political ideal that is abstractly tied to Godzilla either causing or standing against, cue city destruction.

I agree that two straight hours of carnage would be cool to watch, but it just wouldn't work as a film. It's very hard to keep long fights going and the viewer engaged for more than a short stretch. I do feel they could do a much better job with trying to make the human side of Godzilla films work, but aside from the B&W original I don't think any of them have hit that bar successfully nor do I expect it to happen. You don't go to Godzilla films for in depth plot lines, it's all about the action and tropes.

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I saw it today a one probably went in with too high of expectations. Enjoyed it and it’s much much better throughout than the last one but I felt like everything great was in the trailers. No where near as dull as the last but nothing as awesome as atomic breathing down the mutos throat either. Still good stuff overall though.
   
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Saw it yesterday afternoon and enjoyed it very much. The human story plot elements was enough to link the monster battles together.

Spoiler:

Was there an abandoned plot element about Madison 'bonding' with the Titans. The hand reaching out to Mothra and Gidorah? Why was Madison 'up' at the Mothra hatching?
Monarch/US military seemed to have a major tech upgrade. Maybe the aliens are among us already.
Hmm. Atlantis (or an equivalent) being thrown into the mix- why not, I guess.

I also loved the bickering heads (and the slithering in the final battle) as said before. I'm not sure what Jonah is going to do with the Gidorah head - it was the 'stupid' one. My guess is that in Kong v Godzilla they duke it out before settling their differences and teaming up against a regenerated Gidorah.

Shame to see Wantanabe and Hawkins leave the franchise. Dr Graham got a mundane exit for someone who, although not a front-line character, wasn't 'third scientist' either.
   
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The human plotlines weren't just boring, they were actively irritating and brought down the movie as a whole. Every single character with the exception of Tywin Lannister was a boring caricature at best and annoying at worst- and Charles Dance was only okay because he had such little material to work with that it was impossible for him to feth it up.

And it's weird to me that so many defenders of the film are saying that the human element doesn't matter, it's about the monsters anyway, etc when the monsters aren't on-screen and the humans are all we get for about 70% of the film. I'd wager that in this 2 hour movie there's about 30 minutes of total monster screentime. That's an hour and a half of watching the awful MC hiss and wheeze at the camera (what was up with the delivery of this guy's lines?) and 11 run around unchecked for the entire film with the grown adults completely incapable of stopping her for some reason.

Yeah the monster scenes were great. The sound design was great (that hum when Godzilla uses his atomic breath, dude), the special FX were great, the designs of the monsters was awesome. But I don't see how I could possibly recommend someone to watch this movie in theaters rather then on youtube or a home theater, so they could FF through the majority of the film. The characters were terrible, the pacing was awful, one of the most yawn-inspiring third quarters of a film I've seen in awhile, etc. Just seriously weak writing across the board. It actually reminds me a lot of Batman vs Superman DoJ in regards to the contrast between the fun of the fight scenes and the mediocrity of everything else.

Spoiler:
No, seriously. Why would a group of cold-blooded, murdering terrorists allow this 13 year old girl to run around unchecked throughout their entire facility? Especially when she had already shown a penchant for snatching stuff/being impulsive. The first time, when she snatched that guy's clearance pass in the beginning, I was like w/e. The second time, when she snatched the GIANT MONSTER MIND CONTROL DEVICE out of her mom's hands and everyone just kind of stood around and stared at her, I rolled my eyes. The third time, when she snatched the giant monster mind control device AGAIN, because these terrorists never thought to have a security guard or even just a locked door nearby to protect it, I was ready to walk out of the theater lol.

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MarkNorfolk wrote:
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Shame to see Wantanabe and Hawkins leave the franchise. Dr Graham got a mundane exit for someone who, although not a front-line character, wasn't 'third scientist' either.


Spoiler:
I agree, that struck me during the viewing as well and I think i whispered to my wife "Did Sally Hawkins just get eaten?"


That didn't feel like a very good death.
   
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I almost feel bad for enjoying this film now. I saw it in theatres, and I'd recommend seeing it in theatres although there wasn't nearly enough gunfire to make the d-box seats worth it. I like how the human characters offset and added context to the giant monster action. I especially liked the comment about flipper babies.

Spoiler:
As for good deaths, I'd imagine everyone in the Osprey at the end is going to die of cancer very shortly.


Also, someone needs to put Aisha Hinds front and centre in a big budget movie. She's gorgeous.


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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Just finished watching it with the wife and I have to say as a 30 year fan of Godzilla (since I was 5-6 years old) I was insanely satisfied. Tons of little callbacks to old Godzilla tropes and elements. Also a perfect level of lots of Godzilla fights while terrified people tried not to get crushed by mountains of flesh.

Agreed.

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