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New Project Pandora stuff from the blog:

Tile layout


New Veer'myn


Enjoy.

The plastic Veer’myn are better than I was expecting. Overall not a badly priced game, I may pick up a copy.

They're not bad. I don't like the design they went with, blunt monkey faces and builds that are very close to their Orx. A sleeker, pointier space-rat could have been much more interesting. These guys look like thugs.

I was really hoping I could use them as Clan Skryre Skaven, but then Mantic decided to use the old Skaven monkey head designs from the 90s. Well, guess Mantic and I will never get along.

Kroothawk wrote:then Mantic decided to use the old Skaven monkey head designs from the 90s

I totally agree with you.

Again a new disappointment from Mantic. They insist to follow the same path of GW, and make 'toy-soldier' with 20 years old design, instead of go for the 'miniature' path and try quality and more new and original designs.

I was really excited with the first sketches of the corporation troopers, but with the actual 'models', they have burst the balloon... Yes, their products are cheaper, but they are also really poor... There are out there many more companies with cheap and quality stuff that could teach to Mantic one or two things, but anyway...

Hoarmurel wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:then Mantic decided to use the old Skaven monkey head designs from the 90s

I totally agree with you.

Again a new disappointment from Mantic. They insist to follow the same path of GW, and make 'toy-soldier' with 20 years old design, instead of go for the 'miniature' path and try quality and more new and original designs.

I was really excited with the first sketches of the corporation troopers, but with the actual 'models', they have burst the balloon... Yes, their products are cheaper, but they are also really poor... There are out there many more companies with cheap and quality stuff that could teach to Mantic one or two things, but anyway...

I disagree with what you have said in general, but specifically this line.

make 'toy-soldier' with 20 years old design, instead of go for the 'miniature' path

I mean they make miniatures, and when those miniatures are constructed they are toy soldier miniatures. Seems like you are grasping at straws to attack mantic. They make stuff i like, and stuff i dont like, but none of it is objectively offensive as people are trying to portray it.

Fenriswulf wrote:So you're saying that in all your years of gaming, you never scraped down a mold line, fixed a bent sword or had to fill in a gap on any of the miniatures you've ever bought. Mmm-hmm, yeah not buying it.

If you don't like the figures, don't like them, but don't try to make them out as being unusable because of a tiny bend.

Mantic has sent me some and they are excellent. There is very little flashing, and the 'bend' in the guns is so slight a bit of heat from a hair dryer will set them correct in no time. It's on par with the kind of bend you would get in a regular sprue, so I have no idea why you are so up in arms over this.

Edit: Kroothawk: I think the problem with the shoulders is caused by the fact that the person who assembled them used blu-tack to stick them on. On the ones I have they fit in very nicely and look good on the miniatures. The Ranger models shoulders stick out a little more most likely due to even more blu-tack. I will have to wait to see what those are like, but so far the Marines are very very good.

Sometimes, yes, but rarely need to and I buy more than just GW miniatures. I have never experience this sort of shoddy QC with Avatars of War. I don't usually buy resin figs for this reason, I don't like to spend a great deal of time correcting issues. I was hoping they'd be releasing plastic miniatures but I guess they've given up on that so they can make a quick buck instead. That's fine, I'll just stick with their undead range and stay clear of the sci-fi ranges.

GBL wrote:I mean they make miniatures, and when those miniatures are constructed they are toy soldier miniatures. Seems like you are grasping at straws to attack mantic. They make stuff i like, and stuff i dont like, but none of it is objectively offensive as people are trying to portray it.

No, of course is not offensive. I only say that for me, is dissapointing.

I was hoping for Mantic to make affordable, cool and quality models, but when they finally show the actual miniatures, well...
With the 'miniature' vs 'toy soldier' thing, i mean that 'miniatures' are stuff of more quality, and 'toy soldiers', well, are like tokens or little toys for children. Or that's how i see it.
I believe in an adult and valuable hobby, with quality miniatures and things that could be as respectables and 'socially accepted' as other hobbies are. And the 'toy soldier way' doesn't make anything positive for that target...

And please, excuse me if something of my posts sound rude or something, english is not my mother tongue and is a pain to write in it and trying to be understandable

Hoarmurel wrote:

GBL wrote:I mean they make miniatures, and when those miniatures are constructed they are toy soldier miniatures. Seems like you are grasping at straws to attack mantic. They make stuff i like, and stuff i dont like, but none of it is objectively offensive as people are trying to portray it.

No, of course is not offensive. I only say that for me, is dissapointing.

I was hoping for Mantic to make affordable, cool and quality models, but when they finally show the actual miniatures, well...
With the 'miniature' vs 'toy soldier' thing, i mean that 'miniatures' are stuff of more quality, and 'toy soldiers', well, are like tokens or little toys for children. Or that's how i see it.
I believe in an adult and valuable hobby, with quality miniatures and things that could be as respectables and 'socially accepted' as other hobbies are. And the 'toy soldier way' doesn't make anything positive for that target...

And please, excuse me if something of my posts sound rude or something, english is not my mother tongue and is a pain to write in it and trying to be understandable

That makes more sense.

However i find some of their designs to work. For one i really prefer their dwarves to GW's. The style is interesting/different, but anything to get rid of those horrible skirts the GW dwarves wear. The elves seemingly were an experiment in doing something different (elves based more on fairies or something) and that was almost universally panned. Their undead gets a lot of praise and i also like the marauders. The less said about the squats the better, but i am sure they have learned from that mistake looking at corporation.

I do think that the Corporation and even the VeerMyn are definitely a step in the right direction for mantic. Neither force is based on an existing mantic fantasy miniature. While minimising the amount of components they seem to have been sculpted very well (even if not in poses people would like them to be) this seems to be the first line that will mark mantic taking that first tentative step into quality.

And lets face it, Project pandora will sell out like Dwarf Kings Hold.

I won't be buying any Veer-Myn other than the ones in the Project Pandora box.

Just not interested in them, I think they're unsuitable as a sci-fi race without something to make them not literally just "rats in space".

I could have got on board with a race of bestial aliens or something like that, but not straight up space skaven.

Corporation on the other hand...

.. hello, 4 army boxes as soon as my next paycheck comes in. They rock.

No surprise that they're running out of stock either. Mantic just sent out an email stating that starting next Monday, anyone who places a Corp pre-order might not get their stuff on or before the release date of March 26th. Everyone who has pre-ordered already will get their stuff shipped on time, it's just that people who do it next week might have to wait an extra week or so. They've posted a pic of them packing hundreds of Corp army boxes, all of them are pre-orders, so it's likely that they've already sold over 10k - 15k corp models to the public just as pre-orders.

This is of course, great news. If the Corp make them plenty of cash, then they might be able to start going back to releasing proper plastic sprues.

I think they look really cool, although I agree they could do with perhaps a bit more of a 'sci-fi' look to them. As we saw with the Forge Fathers, perhaps that will come later on?

Great little set of models for Project Pandora though, looking forward to it coming out!

Corp make them plenty of cash, then they might be able to start going back to releasing proper plastic sprues.

Why? Plastic Resin is better. Wouldn't have got the Corporation sculpts we did if they'd been on a plastic sprue cuz they can't use Remy. The vermyn too are Remy figures and they wouldn't be as good either. I like this sculpt quality, it's great and if it means getting them in plastic resin, then fine.

I was really hoping I could use them as Clan Skryre Skaven, but then Mantic decided to use the old Skaven monkey head designs from the 90s.

I bet you they didn't. I don't think anyone bothered to look at the Skaven range, all of the models are too big.

Black Nexus wrote:

Corp make them plenty of cash, then they might be able to start going back to releasing proper plastic sprues.

Why? Plastic Resin is better. Wouldn't have got the Corporation sculpts we did if they'd been on a plastic sprue cuz they can't use Remy. The vermyn too are Remy figures and they wouldn't be as good either. I like this sculpt quality, it's great and if it means getting them in plastic resin, then fine.

I was really hoping I could use them as Clan Skryre Skaven, but then Mantic decided to use the old Skaven monkey head designs from the 90s.

I bet you they didn't. I don't think anyone bothered to look at the Skaven range, all of the models are too big.

Yeah but they're the same price as discounted GW minis now which means I, and many others, won't be buying them. Unfortunately only 40k and WHFB is played in my area to any great extent.

a) those rat man look cool
b) they look diferent
c) they have good prices
d) they are not produced by GW

I have 4 reasons to make an army with them, it will be probably for 40k, but "count as" is there for it. I just want to wait for the vehicles...

A review of the Corporation minis on BoLS

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/03/goatboys-model-review-mantics.html#disqus_thread

Some pics from there, not really news I know but think they look much better in this colour scheme than the official one:





Finally, a size/proportion comparison between Cadian and Corporation (which I don't think anyone has actually done yet). Discount the rock and they are of similar height, although proportions are quite different. I do think they would probably sit better alongside FW Elysian or other FW IG.

The Cadian looks kind of... squat... compared to the Corp Marines. I guess you could use him as a counts-as Forgefather in your Warpath games though.

I'd like to see a bigger picture of the rats before I say anything.

I really do like the proportions of them compared to GW. Very nicely sculpted I have to say. The Ranger basic weapons are definitely growing on me as well, compared to the Marine ones.

GW meltaguns look ridiculous on the Corp models, better to use the meltaguns you get in the box rather than trying to kludge one of GW's telegraph pole guns on to the models.

Pacific wrote:

I don't know why it continues to surprise me, but man GW's 'heroic scale' sculpting is ridiculous looking!

It isn't bad within the range as a whole, but when you see them next to 'more realistically proportioned' miniatures that are allegedly in the same scale... wow!

Bruckenkopf has their Corporation Rangers review up.

Link to the translated page:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brueckenkopf-online.com%2F%3Fp%3D55945&act=url

Quite a lot of scale pics in that as well as a component list.

The scale looks pretty good next to the forgefathers:



Unfortunately, they've also assembled the rangers arms incorrectly with the shoulder coming out of the chest. Everyone keeps doing this, those shoulder pads are supposed to be much higher, and the shoulder pads are not part of the upper arm.

I can't help but think that the Corp are all walking on a high gravity world.

My only issue with them is the legs. I know they're going for realistic proportions, but they look like a bunch of girlymen in tight jeans with those legs. I'm not talking Cadian style tree trunk legs, but something in the middle.

Alpharius wrote:

Pacific wrote:

I don't know why it continues to surprise me, but man GW's 'heroic scale' sculpting is ridiculous looking!

It isn't bad within the range as a whole, but when you see them next to 'more realistically proportioned' miniatures that are allegedly in the same scale... wow!

I guess I'm not seeing any "more realistically proportioned" miniatures in that picture. Differently unrealistically proportioned, sure, but I don't really buy the Corporations emaciated shock troopers waddling towards me like they've peed their pants.

-Loki- wrote:My only issue with them is the legs. I know they're going for realistic proportions, but they look like a bunch of girlymen in tight jeans with those legs. I'm not talking Cadian style tree trunk legs, but something in the middle.

I'm sorry in advance, but you are absolutely right, and their leggins remind me of this picture:

http://9gag.com/gag/3507245

Again, I am sorry...

Elmir wrote:

-Loki- wrote:My only issue with them is the legs. I know they're going for realistic proportions, but they look like a bunch of girlymen in tight jeans with those legs. I'm not talking Cadian style tree trunk legs, but something in the middle.

I'm sorry in advance, but you are absolutely right, and their leggins remind me of this picture:

http://9gag.com/gag/3507245

Again, I am sorry...

I think they took the official colour scheme from that second picture.

Call me crazy but I loved the old 5th edition monkey-faced cartoony Skaven, so I friggin' love these Veermyn. I will be buying them by the truckload. I *might* even play 40K again, if I can't get people interested in Warpath, and use them as... I don't know. Orks or something.

Granted, I'd buy them anyway if they were more similar to the current, less-cartoony Skaven.

I love the 4/5E WFB Skaven as well. I think these Veermyn look great.

As for the Corporation, I just got a package of some 15mm sci-fi infantry from Khurasan and they have crisper detail than the Mantic 28mm ones. Maybe it's the paint schemes people are using, but the Corporation models look like the detail has been smooshed out. The Marauders didn't have that problem and neither do any of the fantasy races.

Perhaps its the sculpts? Or the resin plastic? Or maybe it just is the paint jobs we've seen so far.

frozenwastes wrote:
As for the Corporation, I just got a package of some 15mm sci-fi infantry from Khurasan and they have crisper detail than the Mantic 28mm ones. Maybe it's the paint schemes people are using, but the Corporation models look like the detail has been smooshed out. The Marauders didn't have that problem and neither do any of the fantasy races.

Perhaps its the sculpts? Or the resin plastic? Or maybe it just is the paint jobs we've seen so far.

While I do not think the quality is too bad, I somewhat agree that the detail isnt all that great on these guys to justify the price (in comparison to mantics other ranges and other companies). I mean look at the comparison with the forge father, not too much of a difference if you ask me. I'll agree with what someone said earlier that Mantic should focus a bit more on getting normal plastic kits out. Sure for "elite units" like cavalry its fine but when you have to pay 10-30% extra with no real additional benefits, it's a bit annoying

Blah blah blah, plastic injection molds are expensive, blah lecture in the near future

I am currently looking at a Mantic Marine right now in front of me. There are very few mold lines and the detail is as crisp or crisper than the plastic kits they sell.

If anything is not showing the detail correctly it is the paint schemes and painting quality of the units that have been demonstrated thus far.

I don't see the troops as looking all that emaciated actually. Ever seen the SAS troops from Australia or the UK? They aren't huge roided out slabs of beef - They go for wiry tough guys of average height or so that have endurance out the ying-yang. There is plenty enough beefcake style IG out there to use, I am glad for an alternative.