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It doesn't matter what crime. A crime is a crime is a crime.

According to another article, a refugee is qualified as a visitor if they are authorized to stay for at least 12 months and must be taxed income if they are to receive "family allowance". If a refugee is out of status then they get no "family allowance" but pay no tax either. Welfare in B.C is determined by residency, which is against the rest of Canada and is being fought against so refugees in B.C can get welfare regardless.

halonachos wrote:It doesn't matter what crime. A crime is a crime is a crime.

So you'd refuse refuge for a christian fleeing persecutiuon from Indonesia/similar ? Somone whose crime was merely believing in a different god ?

LunaHound wrote:Issuance date Number of Payments Amount Issued
April 20th, 2009 Cheques 679,894 $184,381,765.47
Direct Deposits 2,198,895 $641,787,159.29
Total 2,878,789 $826,168,924.76


Goods and Services Tax/Harmonized Sales Tax (GST/HST) credit
Issuance date Number of Payments Amount Issued
April 3rd, 2009 Cheques 5,038,360 $460,564,101.27
Direct Deposits 3,516,411 $370,045,455.84
Total 8,554,771 $830,609,557.11

I believe that those are refunds.

reds8n wrote:

halonachos wrote:It doesn't matter what crime. A crime is a crime is a crime.

So you'd refuse refuge for a christian fleeing persecutiuon from Indonesia/similar ? Somone whose crime was merely believing in a different god ?

Where are you getting these religious criminals from or are you just throwing random things again?

Not many countries still have that as a crime reds8n. Its 2008, not the late 1700s.

Also, persecution is not always allowed under law. A person being persecuted is different from being a criminal.

PS: Its not against the law to be christian in Indonesia.

In fact, christianity/judaism are only outlawed in countries with Sharia Law(the muslim theocracy) and last time I checked, it takes a while for new systems of government to be put in place so christians/jews have a chance to get out. Also, any muslim hoping to convert can leave the country and then convert while out of the country. These people are not called criminals.

halonachos wrote:Not many countries still have that as a crime reds8n. Its 2008, not the late 1700s.

Also, persecution is not always allowed under law. A person being persecuted is different from being a criminal.

sadly there's quite a few countries where various religions are if not outlawed then its adherents are victimised to the point of murder

Indonesia is perhaps not the best example but recent laws etc there have been making life every difficult for people.

PS: Its not against the law to be christian in Indonesia.

In some countries it is, unbelievably, illegal to convert -- " proselytizing"

Also, any muslim hoping to convert can leave the country and then convert while out of the country. These people are not called criminals.

See here

The chap returned to his country after converting. He should've stayed in germany.

There was also a typo in that article; "while" not "Wwhile".

Back on topic though mate.

According to tax refunds, etc. Non-residents can get their taxes refunded to them. Refugees are categorized as non-residents/visitors so they can get their taxes back.

In the first site you posted, I saw a lot of the word militant, sectarian violence, attacks. Perhaps these are not new laws, but people going against the law?

What taxes are they paying though and how are they then claiming back more than they paid ? That's the issue I have.

HE didn't convert in Germany, but anyway...

halonachos wrote:In fact, christianity/judaism are only outlawed in countries with Sharia Law(the muslim theocracy) and last time I checked, it takes a while for new systems of government to be put in place so christians/jews have a chance to get out. Also, any muslim hoping to convert can leave the country and then convert while out of the country. These people are not called criminals.

That's actually not true at all. Any Muslim who converts is considered apostate, and is therefore subject to the death penalty. At least according to the most conservative interpretations of Sharia.

Its also worth pointing out that alternative faiths are not explicitly banned under Sharia. They cannot convert followers (though only because of the aforementioned death penalty), and they cannot build new places of worship (though they can repair old ones), but are otherwise permitted to operate as they see fit.

At reds8n,
If they are authorized to stay for 12 years or over, they pay income tax. If they are not a resident, they can get the money back. If they decide to stay as a resident then rules still apply, but they can stay for over 5 years without being a resident.
Also, those who go to canada, but are not granted refugee status often stay as an illegal immigrant.

At dogma,
About people being called criminals, I was talking about them converting after leaving the country. By leaving the country I mean emigrating to a non-sharia law country. I was wondering about that no alternative religion thing, there are churches in Saudi Arabia but they are not allowed to build additional ones.

I need some sleep. Ciao for now.

halonachos wrote:
I was wondering about that no alternative religion thing, there are churches in Saudi Arabia but they are not allowed to build additional ones.

The rules regarding the treatment of other religions form the most explicit component of Sharia. That's why Sharia nations that break from the classical mold are so significant. Actually there was a big deal made over a country (either Yemen or Qatar) for doing that just a couple months ago.

reds8n wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Stupid accusations? Ppl would stone you to death if you are in BC right now.

Enough , dont need someone across the globe telling us what happen and doesnt happen.

t(^^t)

It would seem you do.

Still why let the facts get in the way of your bigotry eh ?

OH noes ! The $%^ £$% girl called me a name !

Ok dude, you need to calm the hell down and stop getting all rear end hurt over this.

This thread is closed due to multiple flameouts and from people who normally don't do so.