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halonachos wrote:What are CPR guidelines over where you are at? Here its 30 compressions for every 2 breaths.

We do rate of 80-100 compression per min ( though reality its 60 per min since rescue breathing)

4 cycles of (15 compressions and 2 breath)

@ Pharcae , mouth to mouth is by far not moot. Because thats when we keep the air way open at the same time checking
for any sign of vitcim's breathing.

In our procedure, there are no time or actions wasted.

ABC's of Health.

We do a cycle of 4, check pulse and keep going. If they are breathing, but having difficult we stop compressions but maintain rescue breathing.

If its a larger incident, those who can have their airway opened and maintain breathing are tagged red, if they need someone to stay and help them breath they are tagged black, if they are dead they are tagged black. I would hate to do triage.

@halo are you telling that to me or to Pharcae?

i know the Airway Breathing Circulations >.>

More to pharcae about the CCR and CPR comparison. ABC means that breathing and compressions are equally important but compressions must be done more in order to pump the blood.

Regarding the towel thing , say some guy is shot and his lung is filled with blood.

Say i plug my finger into the punctured wound and the moment he is resuscitated he throws up the blood into my mouth since his lung is already filled with blood.

Thats gross no matter how you look at it and dangerous.
What does vampire and eating dog have to do with this?

This is going super off topic -_-

Uhm, to clear up any misunderstandings, when I said that MTM might be falling out of "fashion" i meant the ventilation. Ensuring that the airway is open/if the patient is breathing is still a part of CCR. But anyways, no point in debating this as CCR still is just research and not much else.

And as I said earlier CPR is the one to use according to international guidelines.

LunaHound wrote:Regarding the towel thing , say some guy is shot and his lung is filled with blood.

Say i plug my finger into the punctured wound and the moment he is resuscitated he throws up the blood into my mouth since his lung is already filled with blood.

Thats gross no matter how you look at it and dangerous.
What does vampire and eating dog have to do with this?

This is going super off topic -_-

First of all, he wouldn't vomit blood, its his lung and not his stomach. He would cough it up though. Oh, its also VERY bad practice to stick your finger into a puncture wound, it contaminates the wound with your external bacteria(MRSA is spread this way) and could cause further trauma to the wound. You cover it up, not put your finger into it.

As to the whole mouth thing, you wouldn't give cpr to the guy unless he is not breathing. Chances are he is still awake and has what is called a "sucking" chest wound. His lung would collapse and he would stop breathing/coughing at this point you could find a mask to use. There should be some around the lifeguard station.

LunaHound wrote:

Say i plug my finger into the punctured wound -

You never do that. Open wounds/similar can take a compress dressing or bandage but you never put things in them or try and remove things out of a wound either. Do that and you won't be covered by your insurance and you're well and truly on your own.

Is is, apparently, very unlikely that'll get someone to revive through CPR, you're really just trying to keep them alive until defib pads get there and/or actual medical personnel.

That said the one and only time I've ever had to perform CPR the guy came round after about 1 minute ! Longest fething minute of my life though.

Torniquits are bad too, unless they're already missing the pieces below the bleed. Just FYI.

I didnt say vomit blood, when i say throws up blood i basically meant ( sudden release of blood from his mouth into my mouth due to him
been resuscitated hence he is now breathing, and the pooled up blood that was flooded in his lung as i said )

If someone is shot i seriousely wont have the time to go look around looking for things to stick in the puncture lol.
And no there are no life guard stations around! (this is what i meant by "held legally responsible when off duty")
So no mask , no gears , just me and anyone around thats willing to assist me. or maybe someones dirty t shirt .

Yep, apply pressure until paramedics arrive. Take some cloth(preferably the victims) and put it on the wound and keep it pressed down. Wait until someone better trained in gun shots arrives and talk to the guy who was shot to try to keep the guy's focus. Talk about family and try to reassure him that he's going to live, even if you don't believe it.

Also he probably would've began moving if he was resuscitated, giving you some time to remove your face from the vicinity of his before the blood eruption comes.

In america though, in most places, you can just walk by without worrying about being held to blame.


EMT SAYING: You came into this world naked, you're going to leave it naked. This comes from the fact that most heavily injured people are stripped while in the ambulance to remove a chance of missing signs of bruising/bleeding.

BloodofOrks wrote:@Ironhide

I have a choice about buying products from China? Oh my. Seriously, I oppose China's human rights violations not China or its citizens. I was criticizing Luna for romanticizing a public policy which results in millions of people being mistreated, not trying to start an embargo on China.

Yes, you do. When you buy something, look at where it is made, if it says China, then don't buy it. Not everything is made in China. While you may have been criticizing Luna for his views, you are also being a hypocrite if you bemoan the practices, but still continue to buy their products. Because the money they make off of said products allows the government of said policies to remain in power.

Love how this topic has strayed off topic.

@Ironhide (going waaaay back): I'd love to give him a place to stay, but I don't think my 5 housemates or my landlord would see it like that. Perhaps the council could have just let him have one of the 1 million empty homes in Britain.

I feel I should clarify my earlier points; I agree that people abusing benefits is a problem. I just happen to think that people living in pverty is far more of a problem, and we should deal with that first. Get everyone off the streets, get everyone above the poverty line, get everyone decent educational opportunities. After that, we'll catch the scroungers. I think it's far more criminal that in London, one of the wealthiest economic centres in the world (I seem to remember it's the wealthiest, buut I can't be sure) we have one in three children growing up in poverty and extremely high homlessness rates. I care more about that than a few people getting more benefits than they deserve.

Greebynog wrote:
I feel I should clarify my earlier points; I agree that people abusing benefits is a problem. I just happen to think that people living in pverty is far more of a problem, and we should deal with that first. Get everyone off the streets, get everyone above the poverty line, get everyone decent educational opportunities. After that, we'll catch the scroungers. I think it's far more criminal that in London, one of the wealthiest economic centres in the world (I seem to remember it's the wealthiest, buut I can't be sure) we have one in three children growing up in poverty and extremely high homlessness rates. I care more about that than a few people getting more benefits than they deserve.

QFT

@Ironhide: Are you boycotting Chinese products, or are you okay with the human rights abuses? Luna pointed to a Chinese social program and suggested something along those line be implemented. I pointed out what such a plan actually entailed. Then you called me a hypocrite for informing Luna of what she had suggested. So by your logic, since I do not think Canada should adopt China's "one child policy" I should be boycotting China... what?

Greebynog wrote:I feel I should clarify my earlier points; I agree that people abusing benefits is a problem. I just happen to think that people living in pverty is far more of a problem, and we should deal with that first. Get everyone off the streets, get everyone above the poverty line, get everyone decent educational opportunities. After that, we'll catch the scroungers. I think it's far more criminal that in London, one of the wealthiest economic centres in the world (I seem to remember it's the wealthiest, buut I can't be sure) we have one in three children growing up in poverty and extremely high homlessness rates. I care more about that than a few people getting more benefits than they deserve.

im going to get shot for this.
but the who is going flip my burgers or wash my car?
that is capitalism and if you do that we will have a void in the system where all the low icome jobs are usually take from

Just because someone flips burgers or washes cars doesn't mean they should live below the poverty line. We should not have people in our societies who cannot afford to live to an acceptable standard.

I'm not advocating giving people in menial jobs six-figure salaries, just enough money to adequately live.

what im saying is there is a system inline that we shouldnt interupt

Yeah, the system's clearly working fantastically at the moment.

let me ask you this greebynog
lets sy we get all the poor people a associates degree or bachelars
what do you plan to do about all the low incomme jobs they used to take
the problem with your plan is thst you plan to give them all this stuff(like apartments)that thay cant pay rent since there flipping burgers or something else
what your plan when whan they default this apartment rents?

Some of the answer sounds almost like they perfer communism

but they sugar coat it since they do realize they still need the hard working to run the country
and the rich to let the lazy leech from.

whos they? luna

I assume I'm 'they' Luna, and actually, as Frazzled found out in another discussion my politics can be defined as "Pragmatic Left-leaning Liberal", or Social Liberalism, as I like to call it, in order to make it sound snappy and important. I don't believe in out and out communism, and I support the working man, that's exactly what this is about, and is the fundamental underlying principle of all Socialism, including my wishy-washy moderate version of it. I hope you don't think of Socialism as a dirty word. People are constantly exploited in their jobs and cannot afford basic necessities. Not all poor people are lazy Luna, far from it. Not all unempyed people are lazy or workshy. The rich aren't all some lovely bunch of wonderful, hard working go-getters who deserve all they have. Has the rank greed and corruption that has lead to a global financial collapse not illustrated that to you?

Garret; at what point did I suggest degrees for all? Some people aren't cut out for higher education, some don't want it. Of course we need people in low income jobs (perhaps somewhat ironically, this is where immigration can be a boon), I'm just saying that these people should still be able to feed their kids.

No greebynog , i KNOW poor and lazy are not totally related.

What have i being saying 1st post is, government need tighter controls with what they are handing out so the lazy doesnt abuse / take what the REAL NEEDY people should have.

And what I have been saying is that you overestimate the problem. You are yet to provide any solid evidence of your claims that this is a huge and terrifying threat to our societies.

And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.

"And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window."
Sigg'd

I'd like to add at this point that I pretty much agree with everything Greebynog is saying.

LunaHound wrote:
Some of the answer sounds almost like they perfer communism

but they sugar coat it since they do realize they still need the hard working to run the country
and the rich to let the lazy leech from.

And some of the others sound like silly people who don't really seem to understand exactly what terms mean and come across of incapable of realising that people's opinions tend to be varying shades of grey. Still when you appear to base your entire philosophy off a a crib sheet of Atlas Shrugged that's the sort of low intellect thinking we come to expect.

I am intrigued that you think it is the "hard working" who run the country. I do note you separate them from "the rich", we'll make a socialist of you yet.

what do you plan to do about all the low incomme jobs they used to take

Mechanisation ? I believe was the huge hope for the future.... I assume it's coming alongside the paperless office that computers are going to give us ...?

Oh, and

truth, about three quarters of resettled refugees receive financial assistance from the federal government, for a limited time, and at levels lower than Canadian pensioners. They are known as government-assisted refugees.

We have to remember that many of these people have fled from unimaginable hardship, and have lived in refugee camps for several years. Others are victims of trauma or torture in their home countries. Many arrive with little more than a few personal belongings, if that. Canada has a long humanitarian tradition of accepting refugees and helping them start their new lives here.

For this reason, government-assisted refugees receive a one-time amount of up to $1,330 from the federal government to cover essentials — basic, start-up needs like food, furniture and clothing. They also receive a temporary monthly allowance for food and shelter that is based on provincial social assistance rates. In Ontario, for example, a single refugee would receive $710 per month. This assistance is temporary — lasting only for one year or until they can find a job, whichever comes first.

reds8n wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Some of the answer sounds almost like they perfer communism

but they sugar coat it since they do realize they still need the hard working to run the country
and the rich to let the lazy leech from.

And some of the others sound like silly people who don't really seem to understand exactly what terms mean and come across of incapable of realising that people's opinions tend to be varying shades of grey. Still when you appear to base your entire philosophy off a a crib sheet of Atlas Shrugged that's the sort of low intellect thinking we come to expect.

I am intrigued that you think it is the "hard working" who run the country. I do note you separate them from "the rich", we'll make a socialist of you yet.

what do you plan to do about all the low incomme jobs they used to take

Mechanisation ? I believe was the huge hope for the future.... I assume it's coming alongside the paperless office that computers are going to give us ...?

No, i do NOT think the hard working runs the country, i think they SUPPORT the country. And right now the hard working camel have one straw too many on it's back.
you think mechanisation can save our future? i think thats intriguing too , because before thats possible, what do you think will happen between point A and point C?

Your quote is also fail too. You forgot about the part they are making more babies for the only purpopse to receive additional government cheque?
Might want to read on that sir

No, i do NOT think the hard working runs the country, i think they SUPPORT the country.

Not what you typed though. If you are going to debate with the adults you need to learn to actually say what you mean.

And right now the hard working camel have one straw too many on it's back.
you think mechanisation can save our future? i think thats intriguing too , because before thats possible, what do you think will happen between point A and point C?

I would say we already have technology capable of flipping burgers.

Your quote is also fail too. You forgot about the part they are making more babies for the only purpopse to receive additional government cheque?
Might want to read on that sir

I have been, I note you don't attempt to defend the vastly inaccurate figures you claimed earlier.


Now let's look at the child support payments then

Basic benefit
We calculate the basic benefit as described below:
■ $108.91 per month for each child under 18 years of age
(if you live in Alberta, see the note below); and
■ an additional $7.58 per month for your third and each
additional child.
www.cra.gc.ca 15
We reduce the basic benefit if your family net income is
more than $37,885. For a family with one child, the
reduction is 2% of the amount of family net income that is
more than $37,885. For families with two or more children,
the reduction is 4% of the amount of family net income
that is more than $37,885.
Note
The Alberta provincial government has chosen to
provide different benefit amounts depending on the age
of each child. For Alberta residents, the basic monthly
benefit is:
■ $99.66 for each child under 7;
■ $106.41 for each child 7 to 11;
■ $119.08 for each child 12 to 15; and
■ $126.16 for each child 16 or 17.

Somewhat different ..again !.. from the figures you quoted.

Gst Credit and Tax benefits count as money too