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1. People are always going to try and sue, thats what Insureance is for.

2. I know everybody in the Military is required to provide aid, and protected unless we contribute to their death directly. Medical personel have the same protection.

3.Check out America's tourture boats, secret prisons, and sidesteping the constitution and geneva conventions, and tell me again about our peerless record.

4. You think the treat of being sued is hard, If an enemy is more wounded than a comrade, I have to make sure he gets treatment first.

@Frazzled: Whenever the U.S pulls out of world issues something bad happens.

reds8n wrote:

I believe "Splendid Isolation" has been tried before. It doesn't work.

It does work, if done properly. After all we only entered WWII because Japan attacked us. They only attacked us because we embargoed them. I'm afraid if its good enough for Switzerland, its good enough for me. Its for the good of humanity after all.

Frazzled wrote:

reds8n wrote:

I believe "Splendid Isolation" has been tried before. It doesn't work.

It does work, if done properly. After all we only entered WWII because Japan attacked us. They only attacked us because we embargoed them. I'm afraid if its good enough for Switzerland, its good enough for me. Its for the good of humanity after all.

The US was a founding member of the League of Nations though. Ignoring it's ineffective failed run, the US was involved in international politics before WWII we just didn't go throwing our military around. (Unless it was against Spain of course.)

@hero

I don't know how military medical works...yet.

I do know that if a fireman is hurt while in a burning building, the other firemen will help him first. I believe it goes that you help the one that can be more beneficial, oh and the fact that your human emotions would override your senses and you would rather help a person you know and not some random guy.

As to helping an enemy if he is hurt more, I don't know how this works if it is dictated in some manual or what. I will go and say that this is because of medical beliefes saying that the squeeky wheel doesn't get the oil and the more injured gets treatment first(most of the time). Triage sucks.

Just to clarify... you get the reference yes ?

Not sure that phrase would have been used in your classes etc... or if you'd have even covered that period much.

If it didn't work with a much simpler world economy ( from the British perspective anyway ) back then there's no way it'd work now. Try it. And watch CHina pull all their loans and credit, along with Saudi Arabia and everyone else.

We should remove the U.N while we're at it.

reds8n wrote: Do you not have a good samaritan law over your way then ?

Thats hard to say , because legally, im also a life guard . If im off duty for example,
and someone with AIDS drowns , im still legally held responsible if i dont save and resuscitate the person.

What is the US issue with the UN exactly?

You have to train to control your emotions, they will more than likely get in the way. Youd save the fireman if it was the most expediant thing to do, you wouldn't drop a person you happen to be helping to go back for him. You'd help the Civilain out first, then go back for you buddy,because nobody gets left behind. Firefighters know the dangers when they take the job they know who they have to help first.

The U.N is the butt of many jokes and ridicule,rightfully so. But they have also done plenty good, and present the image of a unified front.

Edit: I don't understand your last comment Luna, are you saying that if the person didn't have AIDS you wouldn't help them, or if the person did have AIDS you'd be hesitant?

Thats funny. Well, you probably don't already know he has aids, and I believe that that's why they make those nifty little mouth covers that you can use, or you could just use a shirt or cloth.

In the grand ol' USA if I am an EMT and I see someone lying on the streets bleeding and I'm off duty I could just as easily say "feth it, I'm going home.". While if I stayed to help, I'm legally obliged to stay there with the bleeder until "equal or better trained" personnel arrive on the scenes.

I always tell people doing stupid and potentially dangerous things "Just because I have EMT training doesn't mean I have to use it.". Yes I am NREMT-B.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:What is the US issue with the UN exactly?

They suck up $billions. Most of that goes to graft.
They are the refuge of bureaucrats and dictators.
They hold Human Rights hearings and then are shocked, shocked when the the Iranian President goes goomba when giving a speech to them.
They do nothing benefitting democracies. They do spend a lot at fabulous ski resorts. Politicans love that.

sexiest_hero wrote:You have to train to control your emotions, they will more than likely get in the way. Youd save the fireman if it was the most expediant thing to do, you wouldn't drop a person you happen to be helping to go back for him. You'd help the Civilain out first, then go back for you buddy,because nobody gets left behind. Firefighters know the dangers when they take the job they know who they have to help first.

But the enemy combatant most likely knows that he's going to get fethed up as well. What if your ally was closer to you than the enemy then, who do you help first?



@reds8n,
We really don't learn about that. We learn the Triple entente, and then we learn about WW1 and go to reasons WW2 was started.

Just because I have EMT training doesn't mean I have to use it."

The old "I'm not going to help you because it might hurt me." way of thinking. It leads to people bleeding to death while everybody walks by and pretends not to see anything. What if it was a loved one laying there bleeding and somebody was to say that and walk by? What happens if it is you? I know I'd help you out, and anyone else. An hero is somebody who steps up and saves a life. To turn away from a dieing person is... the opposite of being a hero.

Ah, but usually I say it to people who are trying to ride an electrical scooter in doors or a similar silly attempt.

An EMT is also trained to fix anything from a cut finger to a guy who has been shot 50 times and is still alive after being hit by a bus. So, I could say that I would deny treatment to a person who hits his nards on a rail while skatebording or I could say that I am denying help to someone who is dying.

There are lots of possibilities, but it is so much better when someone else thinks of the outcomes. Perhaps the reason why you had such a negative response to my comment is that you really want to deny a dying person aid. I meant it out of a jest, your mind took it elsewhere.

If the enemy is further away then you help the closest. It simply comes down to who is in more danger and who can you safely get to, regardless of what side they are on. Remember they are fighting because some old fart told them to as well. The enemy has to be treated fairly remember. hell enemy Officers have to be saluted and can't be forced to work.

Yeah, I bet that sucks.

I just like annoying people, you see. I know I am annoying so that doesn't help. I could go into hypothetical situations, but I wouldn't want to make you too angry. Lightly pissed is just enough.

If you ment it out of just, say J/K (jusk kidding). How was I to know you were joking otherwise. I feel better now I really thought you'd abamdon a person. As for helping people who do stupid things, Just wait till you complete your training and work a few years. If you didn't help teens that try something they see on jack-ass the WWE or movies, we wouldn't have youth at all. In fact I think 80% or so 911 calls come from people doing something stupid and hurting themselves.

Edit I'm not upset I don't mind a good debate!

I never say JK, its against my morals.

My teachers told us a story about a guy who called for help after he got a banana stuck in his rectum somehow by accident.

My training is done, Nationally certified because a 12 hour shift doesn't work well with going to college, but I didn't want to take the class in vain.

EDIT: You didn't seem upset, but I didn't want to push you that far. Besides, if it was a debate I'm pretty sure I would've lost.Badly.

LunaHound wrote:
Thats hard to say , because legally, im also a life guard . If im off duty for example,
and someone with AIDS drowns , im still legally held responsible if i dont save and resuscitate the person.

A bit off-topic maybe, but to transfer HIV via saliva, both the saver and the patient would have to have a open wound in their mouths for that to happen. And even then the chance of that happening is very unlikely. All in all, it's very, very rare for diseases to transfer due to mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. To get HIV from saliva you would have to drink several liters of the stuff.

I just wanted to clear that up, so people don't shy away from trying to save lifes due to fear of disease.

edit: wrote AIDS instead of HIV

Maybe she does have an open sore in her mouth all of the time, you never know.

Or maybe the person she's resuscitating has a needle for a tongue, you never know.

Perhaps I should just stop this nonsense, you never know.


But yeah, aids is spread via blood. So as long as you don't drink the guys blood or jab him with a needle and then yourself then you are safe. Just use that handy CPR mask though to prevent the spread of other diseases like cancer.

halonachos wrote:...to prevent the spread of other diseases like cancer.

I see what you did there

halonachos wrote:Maybe she does have an open sore in her mouth all of the time, you never know.

Or maybe the person she's resuscitating has a needle for a tongue, you never know.

Perhaps I should just stop this nonsense, you never know.


But yeah, aids is spread via blood. So as long as you don't drink the guys blood or jab him with a needle and then yourself then you are safe. Just use that handy CPR mask though to prevent the spread of other diseases like cancer.

Average people dont just need mtm out of the blues.
Obviousely something happend so external injury is highly probable.
Also dont forget hepatitis .

And for the record i dont have any sore of any type you are gross.

Oh yes, I am gross for pointing out that something is probable. Candida and other nasty diseases thrive in the human mouth.

Most people are not average, so being average is really not being average in fact its rather abnormal to be average.

reasons for MTM:
External Injury, choking, drowning, hereditary disease, SIDS, etc.

PS: The whole human body is disgusting get used to it. Its called being a human. You also would rather become a vampire instead of eating a dog or hunting, I think that's rather gross myself.

By the way, the point with mouth-to-mouth might be moot as there are much debate to the validity to the whole procedure as recent research seem to point to CCR (compression only) having a larger effect. But as usual normal CPR guidelines should be followed.

What are CPR guidelines over where you are at? Here its 30 compressions for every 2 breaths.

Exactly the same here, but as I said, newer research indicate that CCR might be more effective than CPR.

Well, que sera sera.

Anyways, thats why we use :

but as i said people dont run around carrying this, and it sucks to run into an emergency without it and be
legally bound to rescue someone with diseases.

Just be off duty, also we are trained to use the following as barriers:

1)Cloth around the area.
2)Our hands, usually wearing gloves.
3)The mask found in the first aid kit.
4)The above object.

You have many choices, some are cleaner than others. Also, its hard to tell whether or not a person has a disease from the way they look or act even.

There once was a doctor who was patching up a guy who had been beaten badly and was bleeding wildly all over the place. The doctor saved the guys life, but was drenched in blood, some of it got into his eye. The guy told the doctor that he had aids. The doctor was worried to hell.

I have a question concerning the "free" housing in Canada to foreign immigrants.

How does that work? I know some people that immigrated to Toronto and they live in an apartment complex with about 6 or 7 family members,and not all of them work, and the ones that do, only work menial jobs. (possibly sweat shops)

How long are you allowed to stay there? and How do you qualify?

GG