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For those that think im asking for sympathy , get out now. But if this type of situation
happens to me, then im sure many other share the same too. So enlighten me to why
this is supposed to be fair.

Me:

As my family is divorced , father is none resident of Canada . because of that, each month we have to pay $200 fine for living
in the house. As well as we have to still pay for property tax each year ( $11,000 ) , add those 2 together, $1160 per month gone.

compared to refugees accepted / adopted by slow Canadian governments:

Refugees :

Receives welfare of $900 per month , $ 300 per child per month. No tax , lives in free government housing.
Free education , free local college.

Now , i pass by the area daily and what do i see , i see some shops they open supposed to be (clothing store)
but instead, we see 10-20 jackets hang randomly , and nothing else BUT smell of marijuanna.

By now, everyone know they are just pot sellers ( the whole block's buisness are drugs / prostitution etc etc )

While waiting for bus, i see a refugee with 5 children , we end up chatting. I said " wow it must be hard taking care of so many"

the refugee replied " girl , the government pays ME , the more children i have, the more i get from government each month "

So yes, now im mad . How hard i work and it goes to pay for something like this.

This is justice? this is fair?

*** you canada government.


Problem #2 ok , there are 5 raccoons living in my roof.
After paying $600 for the removal and patching the rest up , there is ANOTHER problem.
It is illegal for the animal control to relocate the raccoons. What does this mean?
It means it'll either return to my house and i have to pay another $600 , or it'll go to someone else 's house.

So yes *** you canada government atleast make it legal for us to drop the raccoons off the park.
Im not paying $600 everytime this happens

Problem #3 , * you too refugees, we took you into Canada, used our tax to give you a better life so you dont have to suffer.
What do you do in return to repay us? you use the money to buy and sell drug , use it to buy illegal weapons.

You are turning our city into the very same hell hole we rescued you from. Oh Thank you so much.

Oh I can top that.

My mate Deacon, who was my first and only friend in England from the age of 11 - 14, has had to move to Milton Keynes (the Devils Layby!) recently. Why?

Well, when he and his family moved into their previous home, there was an initial hiccup with the Rent payments. The Landlord had given them the wrong account details, and the Direct Debit from Deacon's account didn't go out. Now this time, nicely sorted out by paying cash. Hurrah! Proper details are sorted, next payment goes without a hitch, Paul forgets about it, which is kind of the idea about Direct Debits.

Anyways, Christmas last year, he gets a phonecall from his Landlord informing him that he's not received the Rent for TEN BLOODY MONTHS, and has only just got round to chasing Deacon up. Obviously, this is a massive problem for a young family of 5 (D and his Missus, Little'un and the Twin Sprogs). Deacon checks with his bank, and yup, no payments had left the account. Neither the Bank nor the Landlord had informed him of this. Kicking himself for not having checked either, he faces eviction.

So he goes round the Council, only to be effectively told 'Oh, sorry to hear that, but since you've actually paid tax into the system, you can go and feth yourself!'

Nothing. No help, whatsoever. A very young, tax paying family sidelined as 'not being a priority'. What a crock!

Seems par for the course any more.. Governments are so interested in helping the poor they end up instituting a system where they reward poor decision making and outright laziness over hard work and personal discipline.
For example, here in South Carolina lately, due to the economy, we've been having part shortages at my job so what ends up happening is I work one week for 60 hrs and the next one for 20. Any week that I work less than 24 hrs in I get an unemployment check from the state as well. Now, I'm not going to knock unemployment. It's a nice safety net, but check out this doozy: I get paid more like this, even on my slow week than I do with a regualr 40 hr check.
Due to funny income taxes, I bring home 3/4 of my pay for 20 hrs, then my unemployment covers roughly 1/2 of my pay. So in a 20 hr week I get paid 5/4 of my normal pay. In the 60 hr week I should get paid 7/4 of my normal pay, but because of taxes I get paid something more like 6/4 of my pay.
So.. work 40 hrs and get paid 1/1 of my normal pay for 1/1 of my normal effort, work 60 hrs for 6/4 my normal pay for 6/4 of my normal effort or work 20 hrs for 5/4 of my normal pay for 1/2 my normal effort.. Now which choice is more enticing? Get paid more to do less? yes, please!! And I'm just a regular working stooge who hates being dependent on anyone and I already know how to manage my money well enough to not need to worry about a couple of intermittent crappy pay checks.
To me this is an active assault on my principles.. Nothing that made this country great is rewarded any more. Hard working, determined people hell-bent to make it on their own in the name of their own personal independence are now the caretakers of the slackers who do nothing but generate income outside of the law to avoid taxes and capitalize on social programs to live higher on the hog than others trying to do right. Now, it's getting to the point that the lower middle class keeps finding handouts from the government that only entice us to stop working our damn selves..

My sister and I owned a rental house, which was the house that I grew up in that was left to us when our parents died. My other sister was renting it from us when in 2006 it caught fire and burned, but not completely. My sister died of smoke inhalation but the unified government of Kansas City Kansas and Wyandotte County started harassing us about getting the house demolished pretty much the next day. First, I had to get a special permit just for the demolition contractors to be on the property, then I had to coordinate with the various utilities companies and the demo people to get the utilities shut off in the legal manner, which is unbelievably complicated. Then, I had to go to court every thirty days and explain to the grumpy judge why the demolition was not finished yet. Regardless of the fact that the complications were coming from the government, It seemed he was content to threaten me with a $2,500 fine. At the same time, my sister I live with was in and out the hospital with various ailments and she was on so many medications that she barely knew where she was most of the time. After all of the expenses, fines and other expenses, we finally got everything finished two years later and ended up going through all of the money we got from the insurance company and another couple of thousand dollars. This is why every time anybody asks me, I tell them in no uncertain terms KANSAS CITY KANSAS SUCKS!!!. Don't move here, don't let anyone move here. I would move if I could afford it, even if I had to go to some part of the country with a greater risk of natural disasters.

LunaHound wrote:Problem #2 ok , there are 5 raccoons living in my roof.
After paying $600 for the removal and patching the rest up , there is ANOTHER problem.
It is illegal for the animal control to relocate the raccoons. What does this mean?
It means it'll either return to my house and i have to pay another $600 , or it'll go to someone else 's house.

No, it means take a baseball bat, golf club, crobar, hammer, axe, shovel, or other improvised or actual weapon and kill it... this may seem barbaric to you, i dont know you, i dont know what kind of person you are. Failing that, buy a have-a-heart trap and relocate it yourself, or if it has done something you feel makes it worthy of death, but you still don't want to do it, find a friend who wount mind and ask them to kill it for you. I realize this was not the intention of this thread, but you seem upset so i'm trying to give you a solution.

Dude! Down South, we eat the little fethers! Kill them and send me the carcasses and I'll have a barbeque with the extra free time and money I'm getting from our broken social programs! WIN! And don't worry, I'll post pics too of me and the in-laws gorging ourselves and I'll see if I can find that how-to for tanning hides so I can make raccoon skin hats to send back to you

Edit: oh for feth's sake.. you can't say C00N in it's proper usage without Dakka Dakka getting all up and arms at you?

Luna, racoon removal would be easiest if you owned a gun, but you're in Canada. In the meantime, just put some rat poison and put it in the attic. I promise if you put enough of it they'll die.

mcfly wrote:Luna, racoon removal would be easiest if you owned a gun, but you're in Canada. In the meantime, just put some rat poison and put it in the attic. I promise if you put enough of it they'll die.

But no one wants to dig up dead raccoon family hiding between the insulation .

It took the animal control 6 hours to find them all. Not to mention sticking their head in the
roof space ( its not actually an attic thats why its so hard )

They your best bet is the have-a-heart traps, if you cant get one, you can make one out of chicken fencing and some thick wire.

EDIT: FYI Just because you "have-a-heart" doesn't mean you have to let them live.

fun story about have a heart traps: every year when I was young in Ottawa, there used to be lots of groundhogs that would come around. so, in order to get rid of them, my dad would get his have a heart trap out, and catch them. We then drove them down to the experimental farm and released them =P. also, one year we caught a skunk. we managed to get rid of it without too much hassle, but boy was it scary... looked like a ticking time bomb...

My friend traps squirrels in have a heart traps and drowns them. He does this because they keep getting in his garden and doing anti-garden things, so he really hates them. One time he caught a skunk and right when he was about to drown it he realized it wasn't a squirrel.

He also has bats in his belfry and a monstrous furnace, but those are irrelevant to the topic of trapping small creatures.

Life isn't fair, and then you die

with #1.
...and people wounder why i dont like socilalism....

with #2
1. get a havaheart trap
2. catch the raccoon with the trap
3. fill bath tub with watter
4. while raccoon is in said trap, put it in bath tub that has been filled with watter
5. dispose of raccoon... and beware of zombie raccoons (turn them into stew and make a hat out of them and i doubt they could zombify)

with #3
take that problem. X it by 1,000,000 and you have the same problem the USA has with mexico.

#1 Nothings is perfect there will always be some free loaders.

#3. People will do what they know, thats been thier whole lives and thier parent's lives.Cycles are hard to break.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Milton Keynes (the Devils Layby!) recently.

Don't insult Milton Keynes

LunaHound wrote:Problem #2 ok , there are 5 raccoons living in my roof.
After paying $600 for the removal and patching the rest up , there is ANOTHER problem.
It is illegal for the animal control to relocate the raccoons. What does this mean?
It means it'll either return to my house and i have to pay another $600 , or it'll go to someone else 's house.

....this is a joke, right? You pay them 600 bucks to get the c00ns out of your house and then they just leave them there because relocating is illegal??? How the fething feth does this make any fething sense???
I know it's a long shot, but have you ever tired just writing a letter to the mayor or something like that? To me this sounds like a real problem. Is there a Zoo around or something which can take them in?

themandudeperson wrote:Seems par for the course any more.. Governments are so interested in helping the poor they end up instituting a system where they reward poor decision making and outright laziness over hard work and personal discipline.

"Isn't a man entitled to the sweat of his own brow? No, says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor."

Seriously, when I hear stories like that, Andrew Ryan had a pretty good idea

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Oh I can top that.

My mate Deacon, who was my first and only friend in England from the age of 11 - 14, has had to move to Milton Keynes (the Devils Layby!) recently. Why?

Well, when he and his family moved into their previous home, there was an initial hiccup with the Rent payments. The Landlord had given them the wrong account details, and the Direct Debit from Deacon's account didn't go out. Now this time, nicely sorted out by paying cash. Hurrah! Proper details are sorted, next payment goes without a hitch, Paul forgets about it, which is kind of the idea about Direct Debits.

Anyways, Christmas last year, he gets a phonecall from his Landlord informing him that he's not received the Rent for TEN BLOODY MONTHS, and has only just got round to chasing Deacon up. Obviously, this is a massive problem for a young family of 5 (D and his Missus, Little'un and the Twin Sprogs). Deacon checks with his bank, and yup, no payments had left the account. Neither the Bank nor the Landlord had informed him of this. Kicking himself for not having checked either, he faces eviction.

So he goes round the Council, only to be effectively told 'Oh, sorry to hear that, but since you've actually paid tax into the system, you can go and feth yourself!'

Nothing. No help, whatsoever. A very young, tax paying family sidelined as 'not being a priority'. What a crock!

If it was the case that the payments just weren't leaving their account then surely the rent money would still be there building up month on month? Why can't he just pay the outstanding amount from this?

If the money wasn't leaving the but he just just subsequently spent it anyway, then its hard to have much sympathy for him. I heard this excuse from an ex flatmate of mine. For whatever reason the direct debit wasn't coming out of his bank account but he just spent it anyway. Even a bit of simple arithmetic would make you suspicious if you had an extra £300 in your balance each month. Needless to say he didn't stay my flatmate for much longer.

slow New Yorkers move to the place I call home. The parents send their children to live with G'ma/G'pa/Aunt etc. etc. cause they're too stupid to pass some Regent test or something, bringin my scores down. Also, these sh itheads get free lunches, because they're mom and dad don't live together, yet pops drives a Lexus. Also retards think it's cooler to live in the projects than a real house, cause they could get a $300 pair of shoes every 2 weeks, and now they have too wait a month. Why, oh why govt. can't you just sanction the sterilization/extermination of morons like this?

I propably won't win this thread, but I believe we should start a petition to the govt. and Obama to have a mass sterilization done. Cruel? Not if it's done to the
right people.......

For raccoons and squirrels and the like, I have used a commercially available predator-scent product successfully. It's one thing to try and relocate a varmit. It's another to convince it to leave by tricking it into thinking that there's a coyote or a bobcat living next door

As for the social issues - yup, them's the breaks. My wife and I made good choices, bought a house that was within our means, didn't splurge on status symbols like SUVs or 'luxury houses'. Net result - we're the ones stuck paying taxes to bail out those who lived well beyond their means and are now crying to the government that they're losing their homes&cars.

LuciusAR wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Oh I can top that.

My mate Deacon, who was my first and only friend in England from the age of 11 - 14, has had to move to Milton Keynes (the Devils Layby!) recently. Why?

Well, when he and his family moved into their previous home, there was an initial hiccup with the Rent payments. The Landlord had given them the wrong account details, and the Direct Debit from Deacon's account didn't go out. Now this time, nicely sorted out by paying cash. Hurrah! Proper details are sorted, next payment goes without a hitch, Paul forgets about it, which is kind of the idea about Direct Debits.

Anyways, Christmas last year, he gets a phonecall from his Landlord informing him that he's not received the Rent for TEN BLOODY MONTHS, and has only just got round to chasing Deacon up. Obviously, this is a massive problem for a young family of 5 (D and his Missus, Little'un and the Twin Sprogs). Deacon checks with his bank, and yup, no payments had left the account. Neither the Bank nor the Landlord had informed him of this. Kicking himself for not having checked either, he faces eviction.

So he goes round the Council, only to be effectively told 'Oh, sorry to hear that, but since you've actually paid tax into the system, you can go and feth yourself!'

Nothing. No help, whatsoever. A very young, tax paying family sidelined as 'not being a priority'. What a crock!

If it was the case that the payments just weren't leaving their account then surely the rent money would still be there building up month on month? Why can't he just pay the outstanding amount from this?

If the money wasn't leaving the but he just just subsequently spent it anyway, then its hard to have much sympathy for him. I heard this excuse from an ex flatmate of mine. For whatever reason the direct debit wasn't coming out of his bank account but he just spent it anyway. Even a bit of simple arithmetic would make you suspicious if you had an extra £300 in your balance each month. Needless to say he didn't stay my flatmate for much longer.

Well indeed, Deacon feely holds his hands up to his part in this debacle. But it's more the councils attitude that a young family were not a priority. Single mother? No problem! Immigrant, no problem! And you know, fair enough. But come in. Dude has 3 very young children and a partner needing a roof over their head. How the situation arose is less important to the story than the way the council handled it.

That is bull
refugees should have to pay the same amount as anyone else
if they live there they pay to live there
refugees from where anyway
I guess the welfare system suck whereever you go
as for the racoons are they harming you?
if no than you shouldnt have to worry about them if they are just living there
just have them pay rent

I'm glad the US at least fixed the earned income credit (EIC) on our taxes, so now people can only claim a total of 2 dependents. Kinda discourages having more than 2 kids.

let me ask you why this is fair
dvc has dorm rooms(unlike other comunities colleges)
but there only for foreign students
while student that live here have to pay 1600$ to live about 1/2 mile away if they moved here from somewhere else while foreign student live on campus for free

What the hell happened to your signature.

Are you talking to me Tacobake?
what do you mean

garret wrote:Are you talking to me Tacobake?
what do you mean

I should have been specific. I meant Luna and I was being semi-sarcastic. I get yours, a game or something.

I am a big fan of the idea that the government shouldnt support the poor/illegals. Why you may ask? Cause all it does is feth over the non-lazy who actually want to do something with their lifes. The Above is a perfect example of this!

We give them free food, free/low income houses, free medical, (Yes its free... if you show up to an ER and cant pay by law they cant turn you away, thats why your Bill is so high cause your paying for every person that has ever stiffed the system), Free Money and countless handouts in every way shape or form from cloths to cars.

I also wish that the government would bulldoze every last building in every shantytown/ghetto/trailor Park. Dont want to be homeless? Upkeep your building and dont turn it into a drug slum.

Dont want to starve and have a roof over your head? Get a job! Dont sit at home with 10 kids waiting for the food stamps to show up while cooking meth in the kitchen.

Oh lord dont even get me started on Mexico right now....
That country just needs to fall off the face of the earth.

LunaHound wrote:

mcfly wrote:Luna, racoon removal would be easiest if you owned a gun, but you're in Canada. In the meantime, just put some rat poison and put it in the attic. I promise if you put enough of it they'll die.

But no one wants to dig up dead raccoon family hiding between the insulation .

It took the animal control 6 hours to find them all. Not to mention sticking their head in the
roof space ( its not actually an attic thats why its so hard )

Moth Balls and Cayenne Pepper.

let me ask you why this is fair
dvc has dorm rooms(unlike other comunities colleges)
but there only for foreign students
while student that live here have to pay 1600$ to live about 1/2 mile away if they moved here from somewhere else while foreign student live on campus for free

What is dvc?

Most colleges charge extra to students who come from out of country or out of state. I'll also bet that the college gets federal monies for having a certain amount of foreign students at their college. So giving the foreign students free room and board encourages them to go there, and nets the college extra cash. Fair? Not by a long shot. How to deal with it? File a discrimination suit against them. To my knowledge, any colleges that are funded by government monies (state or federal) are subject to the Equal Opportunity Act. And suing people and organizations seems to be the American way now.

Ironhide wrote:What is dvc?

Diablo Valley College

i dont go there as a full student so i can really do anything.
me im all for the concept of welfare just not the way its put out.
i think it should only be given for 8 month straight(the time it take to find a job) and you have wait 4-5 years in order to apply again
but dont think we should help illegal immirgrants
why because it incurages more to come in