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This whole thread has pretty much much devolved into a debate on BELIEFS. Much akin to views on a religion.

If someone is so insecure they feel the need to seperate themselves because they like different ASPECTS of the same hobby- I'll point out this is a game that draws many that lack social skills.

By the same token-calling someone an elitist because they like fielding well done armies in preference to unpainted ones is an attempt to make that seem wrong as well. Hypocritical even.

So, just like some people prefer assault armies over shooty armies, some prefer to model and paint over not doing so.

Respect that choice, respect the consequences of your choice, and stop being a buncha insecure whiny gamer nerds that are arguing/debating something thats essentially pointless. This is silly drama, that wont have any useful outcome as its just over different aspects/beliefs of the same hobby.

I didnt get back into dakka to watch the special olympics play out in silly threads.

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
And yes. People wouldn't let you proxy Sisters of Battle as Marines, what a tragedy.

Watch your tone of voice sir , not only have you started this thread accusing me of making this thread for attention ,
you have taken a basic trade of opinion onto a personal lvl.

Granted you seem to be pretty heated into the discussion , just dont get carried away.

wow, just wow.

You cannot expect someone to, reasonably, let you proxy an army as a whole separate army without some form of conversion or explanation. Just going in and saying "These Sisters are really Marines. Have fun!" is ridiculous.
I'm sorry if you thought the "what a tragedy" was some form of personal attack, but if you did--get a thicker skin.

Mistress of minis wrote:This whole thread has pretty much much devolved into a debate on BELIEFS. Much akin to views on a religion. A: Which is unfortunate , if people cannot see what exists in front of them ,no wonder they cant deal with religion issues.

If someone is so insecure they feel the need to seperate themselves because they like different ASPECTS of the same hobby- I'll point out this is a game that draws many that lack social skills. A: Which is unfortunate again , we dont need to seperate anything , as if this thread isnt obvious to show the different aspect of warhammer .

By the same token-calling someone an elitist because they like fielding well done armies in preference to unpainted ones is an attempt to make that seem wrong as well. Hypocritical even. A: I'll entertain that thought in a bit

So, just like some people prefer assault armies over shooty armies, some prefer to model and paint over not doing so. A: Not quite so simple , its saddening to see people's reaction when rejected a game due to lack of painting

Respect that choice, respect the consequences of your choice, and stop being a buncha insecure whiny gamer nerds that are arguing/debating something thats essentially pointless. This is silly drama, that wont have any useful outcome as its just over different aspects/beliefs of the same hobby.

I didnt get back into dakka to watch the special olympics play out in silly threads.

Please remember this for your own sake then. Put me on ignore if you must , i am pretty silly after all , and dont want to ruin your dakka experience.
This thread was created to see opinions , it was not I that chose what happens . After all (i'll repeat again 7th time) im a hobbiest not a gamer , this issue does interest me , but irrelevant to myself personally.
I ask because situations does happen around game shops i see in the past , you can hate on me all you want claiming im whinning because it happens to me , but its not so.

o schnaps... when I left work this thread was maybe 3 or 4 entries.... now its a novel... a VOLUME even...

*goes to read OP again*

I like Wayfarer's view and I also really see wittzo's side of it. combatmedic's comment was just hilarious!

Ultimately in my understanding, Warhammer Fantasy/40K is a hobby/game about collecting, modeling/painting and playing armies. We all choose to play it and I, specifically, chose to play it with all of these things in mind. I believe it is respectful to the Warhammer community as a whole to make an effort at collecting and modeling/painting my pieces before I decide to play. Not because someone will get mad at me for not doing it but specifically because it is respectful to others who play, whether painted or not.

I've already admitted I have a partially painted army I play with. I am continually making improvements to my army every week and my club knows it (at least I think they do ). The people I play with have varying degrees of quality in their painted armies and I'm the one that's usually behind. I'm embarrassed by this fact. They don't make me feel embarrassed, actually they are very supportive.

To re-type a point I already made but seems relevant to more recent posts:

You can model/convert all day, alone. No one else is involved unless they're appreciating your work which is after the fact and indirect.

When you play, you're involving others directly. This is where I agree with Wayfarer and wittzo and my own sense of respect for others that play the game.

Lunahound, I agree with you in response to Mistress of minis comments. I love that all of these opinions are out there. I find the whole thing very interesting and fantastic overall. Thanks for a great thread. Of course this makes combatmedic's comment all the more humorous!

Mistress of minis wrote:

Respect that choice, respect the consequences of your choice

Well put. Be mindful that others are different; accept your own difference as well. You say Lazgun, I say Laysgun...

Wolfstan wrote:I find it fascinating that there is a mind set that feels that there is something wrong in playing with unpainted figures. People have generally given the impression that the person turning up with an unpainted army is lazy or making excuses. That you should make the effert, other wise move along to a game that is more suitable for your lazy can't be bothered arse.

People have said that they tend to avoid gamers who turn up with unpainted models as it offends their ideas of what the hobby entails. That is sad. Yes it's your choice as people have posted, but it's still sad that you think it, even if you don't say it out loud.

There have been some damn good replies defending unpainted models on the post, many of them much better then I could articulate, but in the end they are probably wasted as I can't see the painted mindset changing their minds seeing how shallow they are. You've managed to implement a class system within a hobby, well done.

Me? I've seen guys turn up with models that are just the legs of walkers or half assembled and the only reason that this bothers me is that it is open to cheating.

Really???

If someone makes a super well painted army, I would be honored to play it. I feel a lot of these painters deserve due respect, and in essence I feel that you bitch-slap that opportunity away from them with every post. If people are SUPER-ELITE and have no regard for other people feeling they can take their hate outside, and we can take care of it right then and there, or THEY CAN LEAVE OR BE KICKED OUT. Making people feel bad because they have a standard is extremely petty, and borderline fascist.

This is not a personal attack but I am directing to you specifically as you so liberally attacked my attempt to help people achieve a reasonable goal.


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djphranq wrote:

Mistress of minis wrote:

Respect that choice, respect the consequences of your choice

Well put. Be mindful that others are different; accept your own difference as well. You say Lazgun, I say Laysgun...

Tomato, Tomatoe, Potato, Potatoe, Hand grenade, Nuclear bomb... OH #$@% NERD RAGE!!!

Mistress of minis wrote:I didnt get back into dakka to watch the special olympics play out in silly threads.

The athletes in the special olympics have the power to inspire more people than a "normal" person ever could. If I was in a wheel chair and could beat some of the players in the NBA I would be on top of the world, no joke. There are artists that can paint WITH THEIR FEET!!! Simply amazing to me.

"Note"
Not particularly offended by anything you said, but I will say that some would be.

GoFenris wrote:You can model/convert all day, alone. No one else is involved unless they're appreciating your work which is after the fact and indirect.

Sure... Until I get a you-tube channel and go cojones on the frying-pan. YOU MAKE THE DECISIONS as the client of designer, and I hope to offer this lesson anyway I can. This is true of any economy, the people are inevitably the designers BEHIND the designers of the real-time situations you and me will encounter in our average shopping experiences.

CAJONEZ IN DA FRYING PAN!!!


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AgeOfEgos wrote:I guess it depends on how you view the game.

I think a game between players is a non-verbal contract. The contract essentially states 'I know I can't have fun without your mutual participation and you rely on me in the same fashion. So lets work through game problems and try to have fun'. I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with that.

Given that, we are involved in a hobby where a high majority of players paint/model. The parent company that pushes the game system also pushes the model aspect of the hobby (highly). So, you can't be upset when another player enjoys games against painted armies. It's a part of the hobby and by showing up with your plastic blob, you've already possibly encroached on that above mentioned contract. Against other players who also play with gray plastic? Well who the hell cares then? Play.

However, if you refuse to paint your miniatures in a hobby that encourages/sales modeling.....you can't justify getting angry when people avoid playing you. Or when you play in tournaments that reward it. On a personal note (Not used for argument, just my opinion), it boggles my mind that people would spend the cash GW demands for their models....but not paint them. Why not just use boxes of appropriate size marked "Land Raider"?

/Ejects from thread

LOCK AND LOAD THIS SUCKER IS FALLING DOWN!!!

Great points, and a nice exit to boot

LunaHound wrote:K , for the very last time , dont patronize me , check my gallery, I-DO-PAINT . You guys truly think this thread is drama? No , its real incidents that happens to people.
Drama is only created by people that chose to . You know its really really funny . I'll repeat this again " its incredible . you think because i created this thread, this situation is related to me personally?"
thats so far from the truth . Or is it my painting is so awful that you think its worse then primed + slapping wash on?

Ohm hari hari peace be with Luna and surroundings she encounters. You should chill a bit, if they misread and avoid the purpose of your post, whoozy-whats-it who cares???

LunaHound wrote:
K guys , take this as a rant / complaint / which ever you want to call it . But surely we all have our share of agitation with hobby elitists just the same
way as there is TFG during the game plays.

What is warhammer ? its as much of a game as it is hobby. Some people do it for hobby 's sake , other do it for game sake . Then the most common type , they do both
to "get more bang out of their money"

Just like some people say "lawl its a game , relax" , there is also " lawl its just a game , please dont criticize how we paint or not paint our game pieces"

I know its abit "far fetched" to say warhammer is similar to chess . But you know what i mean , units represented by miniature / sculpts . They both function the same way,
just some are more detailed and elaborate than others. So if you want to be proud that you spent 100s of hours on your intricate army , you can be proud .
But please remember , there are the other half doesnt see it the same way you do , they are but game pieces.

So before you scoff at other's unpainted armies , please rethink the following:

1) They aren't in it for the hobby aspect.
2) They don't have much free time . Some only have time for 1 game per week , don't expect everyone to have same amount of time as you.
3) Some don't have the proper materials as you. (bad brush bad primer bad paints)
4) Some don't have the knowledge in techniques or the practice. Were you always as good as you are when you started? Nope ?

The list can go on , but basically we all must realize something. "we" are not "you" Its wrong and unreasonable to judge others on the assumption that
they should value / judge / behave things the same way you do.
Do they look like you? are they your clones ? no they arnt . So why should you suddenly expect them to do what you think they should do?

Luna, You've hit it pretty much on the mark. When I was single, I'd be able to paint some pretty fair looking armies and found time to do tournaments, etc.
These days, my wife and children top my priority list along with several other responsibilities I have. I am lucky to be able to get in one game every month or so with the occasional tournament thrown in every 6 months or so as an excuse to get a couple of extra games played.
That being said, I enjoy looking at the new codexes and buying the miniatures to go with them. I really don't have a lot of time these days to do much else than put the things together before running the new army in a game against my friends. I'll run my old Necrons or DE in tournaments because they're the only armies I have fully painted from years gone by if a tournament has a painted rule. Otherwise I'll just run grey plastic and metal.
It really in the end comes down to priorities in life. I know I like getting a painted army on the table, but I also know I have more important things to do these days. Maybe one day my kids will finish off the miniatures I don't have painted or maybe the miniatures will become a family curse that goes in all their grey and metal glory from generation to generation, waiting for the decendant with enough time and talent to finish them off.

I think that every gamer SHOULD at least make SOME effort toward painting. If you have just assembled a brand new army, and you want to try it out, it does not matter if they are painted, but after months...years? Then there is something wrong with your self-motivation.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I think that every gamer SHOULD at least make SOME effort toward painting. If you have just assembled a brand new army, and you want to try it out, it does not matter if they are painted, but after months...years? Then there is something wrong with your self-motivation.

On the other side of the coin, there are those that say something is wrong with your self motivation if you just spend time worrying about painting plastic soldiers. As I said it just comes down to what each individual person has in their life for preference and responsibilities.
For me I prefer playing the game but I really don't have time in my schedule for much else to do with the hobby. I'd rather be in the life of my family rather than losing time to painting miniatures. Kids grow up really quick and I don't want to lose a lot of that time.

Relapse wrote:
For me I prefer playing the game but I really don't have time in my schedule for much else to do with the hobby. I'd rather be in the life of my family rather than losing time to painting miniatures. Kids grow up really quick and I don't want to lose a lot of that time.

T-T the other thread asked "whats the meaning to be a father" well guys.... this is it. Love of a parent in the purest form.

The two words that really come to mind when I read this thread are as follows:

1. Prejudice
2. Bigotry

If you fall into the category of people who will judge someone else for how they spend their own money, and attempt to segregate them into a lower class of people whom you won't deign to play against because you've confused being "better" with being an "a-hole," then the preceeding two words apply to you, along with many others.

There comes a time when someone can simply be so dumb or obtuse that trying to show the light of reason qualifies under epic fail, and this thread fits that description. Calling people lazy/unmotivated/lesser/making excuses....are all symptoms of prejudiced bigotry. NONE of those are the issue. The issue is this:

Player A spends 10 hours of time dedicated to Warhammer 40k per week. Player A spends 8 of those 10 hours painting, and 2 of those 10 hours playing.
Player B spends 10 hours of time dedicated to Warhammer 40k per week. Player B spends 8 of those 10 hours painting, and 2 of those 10 hours assembling/converting/reading forums/painting.
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For some STRANGE reason, the player As around here think that they're better than player Bs. Again, please note previous two words. Can't say it enough, but its my money to spend how I want, and I'll do what I want with it. Not a single person out there has the right to frown at me and disapprove of how I participate in my hobby.

Shame on you guys. Shame on you for trying to suppress another portion of the population. You guys should run for office; you seem to be fans of telling people you don't know and have no personal stake in how to run their lives.

*EDIT* I do have standards for armies though; I expect people to play WYSIWYG, with clear proxies if needed so that I can tell what is what on the table. I don't think its too hard to at least prime your armies; that takes a couple of minutes. If people are going to play grey plastic, I expect something to delineate where squad choices begin and end....tag the bases a different color or something.

The way I see it, this is very simple: Don't be rude.

If a club or a tournament has a rule about needing painted minis to play there, don't play there. It's rude to force private people to change their club to suit your disinterest in painting. And trying to pass their club off as bigoted is just ridiculous.

At the same time, if you are in a club that doesn't have such rules and you see someone who doesn't have a painted army, don't be rude to them. A little playful ribbing is healthy, but at the end of the day it's that person's right to do with their money as they wish, and your approval of it is irrelevant.

Don't be rude. Don't try to control how other people have fun. Just have fun.

Dashofpepper wrote:The two words that really come to mind when I read this thread are as follows:

1. Prejudice
2. Bigotry

Stop acting like you can't go into a diner because you don't paint your warhammer models.

It's ridiculous.

JOHIRA wrote:The way I see it, this is very simple: Don't be rude.

If a club or a tournament has a rule about needing painted minis to play there, don't play there. It's rude to force private people to change their club to suit your disinterest in painting. And trying to pass their club off as bigoted is just ridiculous.

At the same time, if you are in a club that doesn't have such rules and you see someone who doesn't have a painted army, don't be rude to them. A little playful ribbing is healthy, but at the end of the day it's that person's right to do with their money as they wish, and your approval of it is irrelevant.

Don't be rude. Don't try to control how other people have fun. Just have fun.

He just said it better than I ever really could, I think.

Wrexasaur wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:I find it fascinating that there is a mind set that feels that there is something wrong in playing with unpainted figures. People have generally given the impression that the person turning up with an unpainted army is lazy or making excuses. That you should make the effert, other wise move along to a game that is more suitable for your lazy can't be bothered arse.

People have said that they tend to avoid gamers who turn up with unpainted models as it offends their ideas of what the hobby entails. That is sad. Yes it's your choice as people have posted, but it's still sad that you think it, even if you don't say it out loud.

There have been some damn good replies defending unpainted models on the post, many of them much better then I could articulate, but in the end they are probably wasted as I can't see the painted mindset changing their minds seeing how shallow they are. You've managed to implement a class system within a hobby, well done.

Me? I've seen guys turn up with models that are just the legs of walkers or half assembled and the only reason that this bothers me is that it is open to cheating.

Really???

If someone makes a super well painted army, I would be honored to play it. I feel a lot of these painters deserve due respect, and in essence I feel that you bitch-slap that opportunity away from them with every post. If people are SUPER-ELITE and have no regard for other people feeling they can take their hate outside, and we can take care of it right then and there, or THEY CAN LEAVE OR BE KICKED OUT. Making people feel bad because they have a standard is extremely petty, and borderline fascist.

This is not a personal attack but I am directing to you specifically as you so liberally attacked my attempt to help people achieve a reasonable goal.

Why am I bitch slapping painters? I'm a painter, see my previous post with the long list of examples, and enjoy playing with painted models. I've even done suff like stick unit patches on my RoE models so they look even better. As I've stated before, I don't like fielding unpainted models myself. When me and my mate play RoE, we will lay out the table and spend ten minutes feasting our eyes on the forces on display and the scenery (he's got Lost Valley trees and bushes, which are just awesome, think there are some images on the club website, www.wessexwyverns.org.uk). I will also offer advice and try and encourage other gamers to paint. So why would I bitch slap painters?

Given all that I've just said, at no time have I ever seen an unpainted army and had a negative thought on the person who owns it.

There are actually a fair few members of my club that field unpainted or half painted forces on a regular basis and nobody says a word. These guys collect and play tens of systems and generally can kick your arse with any of them, they also know their systems inside & out, in fact they even very rarely refer to rule books. On the flip side there is a club member who is a brilliant painter & convertor, who mainly plays a 40k IG army, been playing for years, but who a game against him takes double the time as he still keeps having to refer to the rule book or ask questions.

Just out of interest do the gamers who object to unpainted models play many other systems? There does seem to be an underlying train of thought that if you don't paint your models, then GW games aren't for you. To me, a true gamer is someone who plays a mixture of different systems. Each ruleset plays differently, presenting different challenges. If you go to a traditional wargaming show, you will meet these people. They have tons of systems at home and can reel off stats & rules without breaking stride. These people play for the love of gaming, not painting. Yes there will be keen painters in there, but there will also be the gamers who just game. Try visiting www.larryleadhead.com sometime and you will see what true gaming is about. I think you will find that these people treat vast amounts of unpainted armies as a badge of honour, not something to be ashamed of.

HI all.
Maybe the reason there appears to be 'elitism' in the 'GW hobby' is because it tries to cover all of wargaming expectations with very limited core games?

If the rest of the 40k/WH/Lotr player were more exposed to the wider wargames hobby.They would see that GW core games fufill a small part of gaming -hobby expectation.

There are much more 'game play' oriented games , with minimal 'hobby' input.And also there are far more hobby intensive games too!

GW try to appeal to the widest customer demoghaphic as possible.
(But rather than have a wider range of games to suit all types of gamer like they used to.)
They try to cram everyone into 3 core games no matter thier gaming -hobby requirments.

At our local games club we use over 30 rule sets , so each set of players can get a better experiance by picking the level of hobby -simulation -complexity they are happy with.

There is no right or wrong here , just opposing oppinions artificualy crammed together by GW to maximise profits.IMO.

TTFN
Lanrak.

My word, has this thread really got to 8 pages in a day?! Way to start a mini Civil War Luna

Something else to remember is that there are alot of traditional wargamers who still look down on GW systems. It has been said on this board that "gamers who just want to play" should move over to games like Axis & Allies. Well I hate to inform you, but alot of traditional wargamers view GW games in that way. They class the rulesets as systems designed for children or people who can't handle a real game. They do have a point about the ruleset, but if you enjoy it, great, adults & kids are interacting not sitting infront of the TV or playing computer games, thats got to be a good thing. However it does show that within wargaming there are enough snobs without adding another layer.

Traditional wargamers look down on GW gamers, GW gamers then feel that they will need look down on someone else... non painters.

Indeed, excellent point. We shouldn't be fighting and hating each other, we should be fighting and hating other people!

Wolfstan wrote:
Traditional wargamers look down on GW gamers, GW gamers then feel that they will need look down on someone else... non painters.

And LARPers

LunaHound wrote:Super , this thread have already yielded the results i was hoping to see. There are clearly 3 types of players here:

Type 3) Painting Elitists :

- Last time I checked painting 40k armies is part of official rules for gaming... you can choose not to its your perrogative as is others to decline to play with you... no need to rant or btch about it just learn to embrace the consequences of your choices.

K , i also see the argument comming from a weird issue. Painters not willing to acknowledge gaming is as essential to others as painting is to themselves.

Also , i have many people claiming what im saying is double standard . Not really , as we dont laugh about how nerdy someone is for spending 10 hour on a model ,
we would expect same basic lvl of respect not to do the same on lack of paint effort. It is not double standard when one out come = you dont get to play because the person complains about lack of painted minis.
You see the problem now?

I think you dont understant something basic in your ranting/complains whatever... you complain about someone not wanting to play with you or behaving like a ahole critisizing your choices but YET you feel entiteled to do the same thing and to call me a painter elitist... yet I never ever judged you in any way or form... what gives you the right to label my behaviour of avoiding playing with people with proxies/grey armies as a painter elitist?
This is double standart.
Mind i dont really care but your base ground is just amazingly ridiculous.

Also some really nasty mindless aggressive posts on this thread... not my cup of tea.



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Mistress of minis wrote:This whole thread has pretty much much devolved into a debate on BELIEFS. Much akin to views on a religion.

If someone is so insecure they feel the need to seperate themselves because they like different ASPECTS of the same hobby- I'll point out this is a game that draws many that lack social skills.

By the same token-calling someone an elitist because they like fielding well done armies in preference to unpainted ones is an attempt to make that seem wrong as well. Hypocritical even.

So, just like some people prefer assault armies over shooty armies, some prefer to model and paint over not doing so.

Respect that choice, respect the consequences of your choice, and stop being a buncha insecure whiny gamer nerds that are arguing/debating something thats essentially pointless. This is silly drama, that wont have any useful outcome as its just over different aspects/beliefs of the same hobby.

I didnt get back into dakka to watch the special olympics play out in silly threads.

I love you Mistress of minis. Totally agree!

NAVARRO wrote:

I think you dont understant something basic in your ranting/complains whatever... you complain about someone not wanting to play with you or behaving like a ahole critisizing your choices but YET you feel entiteled to do the same thing and to call me a painter elitist... yet I never ever judged you in any way or form... what gives you the right to label my behaviour of avoiding playing with people with proxies/grey armies as a painter elitist?
This is double standart.
Mind i dont really care but your base ground is just amazingly ridiculous.

Also some really nasty mindless aggressive posts on this thread... not my cup of tea.

I havnt actually called anyone elitists in the forum yet.
Do i know you? No .
Do i know you in person? No
Do i even know you on dakka? No
Then on what reason would i have to call you elitists? absolutely no reason. Because i wasnt even talking to you.

All you have been doing is jumping into the posts that wasnt directed towards you and then say it was meant for you.
Why do you do that?

Flashman wrote:My word, has this thread really got to 8 pages in a day?! Way to start a mini Civil War Luna

Unfortunately , so it seems . Its sort of incredible though , how much hate are generated out of thin air just to be standing on the opposite side of the *preference.
Can sort of see how ego / pride / believes / misunderstanding / assumption can lead to such chaos so quickly.

LunaHound wrote:
I havnt actually called anyone elitists in the forum yet.
Do i know you? No .
Do i know you in person? No
On what reason would i have to call you elitists? none.

All you have been doing is jumping into the posts that wasnt directed towards you and then say it was meant for you.
Why do you do that?

I agree.

If these threads are so hard on your eyes, why do you douse them in our super-secret sauce, and take things the wrong way. There are people that have said those things, but generalizing is missing the entire point here, IMHO. Stating your values and expectations of other gamers is totally acceptable, and most of the posters would probably agree with that.

LunaHound wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:

I think you dont understant something basic in your ranting/complains whatever... you complain about someone not wanting to play with you or behaving like a ahole critisizing your choices but YET you feel entiteled to do the same thing and to call me a painter elitist... yet I never ever judged you in any way or form... what gives you the right to label my behaviour of avoiding playing with people with proxies/grey armies as a painter elitist?
This is double standart.
Mind i dont really care but your base ground is just amazingly ridiculous.

Also some really nasty mindless aggressive posts on this thread... not my cup of tea.

I havnt actually called anyone elitists in the forum yet.
Do i know you? No .
Do i know you in person? No
Do i even know you on dakka? No
Then on what reason would i have to call you elitists? absolutely no reason. Because i wasnt even talking to you.

All you have been doing is jumping into the posts that wasnt directed towards you and then say it was meant for you.
Why do you do that?

Because on the option 3) that you labeled as a painter elitist behaviour... you quoted me 100%.

NAVARRO wrote:
Because on the option 3) that you labeled as a painter elitist behaviour... you quoted me 100%.

Oh yes i see that : Type 3) Painting Elitists :

- Last time I checked painting 40k armies is part of official rules for gaming... you can choose not to its your perrogative as is others to decline to play with you... no need to rant or btch about it just learn to embrace the consequences of your choices.

"embrace the consequences" , oh my.... which of the big sins have a player commited to warrant such harsh words.

I also quoted Luna when I said "also"

()

Continuing on judging? way to go lass... now keep on complaining on the aholes that do the same thing to you... makes perfect sense.

Wrexasaur , i have a question.

Personally i stand in the middle. As in:

Myself perfers the hobby more than gaming.
I would totally allow my opponent to field unpainted armies.
Yes i do agree painted army is better visually to look at.
Though i dont agree it should be enforced with such extreme attitudes.

Now my question Wrexasaur , why is it because i created this thread , ALL the posts that are anti-painter automatically directed towards me?

Is this like the petty fighting similar to Republicans vs Democarats? Where they are so engrossed into clawing each other's throat out they lost sight to the original discussuion?

NAVARRO wrote:Continuing on judging? way to go lass... now keep on complaining on the aholes that do the same thing to you... makes perfect sense.

Im not judging anything mister , im responding according to your sentence itself . Why would i judge you? i already said i dont know you.
I guess you can say "the response is the *consequence* of how you word your sentence"

Dont be silly Nav , i have never been denied a single game , try not to assume just because someone raises a question , it automatically means its to do with them personally.

If you must pick something to judge me with , use the Opening Post Nav , its what i truly wanted to ask before the chaos sets in.

First response, a literal .

Second, oh yes it is becoming something like the english parliment, cussing and shouting and all that. The american politicians are much too tame for this.

Don't throw stones at glass houses, as they say, and we appear to be inside a HUGE glass dome, surrounded by a billion ma-guay holding stones...and the sprinklers just turned on.

Here is where we were a page or two ago... Of course I posted this in response to the 3 pages that I had missed overnight

djphranq wrote:

Mistress of minis wrote:

Wrexasaur wrote:

Respect that choice, respect the consequences of your choice

Well put. Be mindful that others are different; accept your own difference as well. You say Lazgun, I say Laysgun...

Tomato, Tomatoe, Potato, Potatoe, Hand grenade, Nuclear bomb... OH #$@% NERD RAGE!!!

The funny thing is that in real life games at any of our FLGS this wouldn't even be an issue if it was the staff doing so. To be totally and utterly honest I haven't met ANY Super-Elite painting buffs who will actually turn down games. Either way it is their decision and finding another game isn't really that much of a problem. If you are in a club and they DEMAND it of you, I suggest finding a way to do so. After all it is A.) required by the club and B.) your choice either way, you CAN game elsewhere. People have their "Temples" so to speak, and I would recommend keeping the peace with them.