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Pipboy101 wrote:What I am seeing here and I know it has been said before, that a high majority of the people that are signing onto the boycott were already not planning on buying anything from GW anyways within the next 2 months. That is not much of a boycott since you were not going to send any money anyways. So this boycott is as limp as an old man's if a most of the people were not going to spend money in the first place so what kind of message are you sending? Think of this point before you start to rage.

Not true, i need a ton of things from the skaven line and a few odds and ends here and there. i will not be buying any GW for the holidays now though, even though that means no clanrats or slaves from the new stuff or the new screaming bell etc. That said im thinking that GW can hold out for a few mounths without my cash so i will be converting most of the stuff i was going to buy and hope i can make enough to seriously effect what i was going to perchace.

notprop wrote:Meanwhile....................................April 2010 - GW HQ Boardroom, Nottingham, England.

You know, it's posts like this that are a part of the problem. You treat Games Workshop like some kind of comicbook supervillain, which is not only completely insipid, but also outrageously naive. They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys. Demonizing them by this sort of infantile caricature serves nobody's interests, unless your intent is to portray this little "protest movement" as a bunch of teenagers completely out of touch with how the world works.

We're all little people. Nothing we do matters one iota. The best outcome we can hope for is escaping the hobby with out pocketbooks and dignities more or less intact.

See you are doing what is not buying from GW eventhough you want and need stuff which is an effective boycott not like the 90% of the boycotters that were not going to buy anything anyways.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

notprop wrote:Meanwhile....................................April 2010 - GW HQ Boardroom, Nottingham, England.

You know, it's posts like this that are a part of the problem. You treat Games Workshop like some kind of comicbook supervillain, which is not only completely insipid, but also outrageously naive. They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys. Demonizing them by this sort of infantile caricature serves nobody's interests, unless your intent is to portray this little "protest movement" as a bunch of teenagers completely out of touch with how the world works.

We're all little people. Nothing we do matters one iota. The best outcome we can hope for is escaping the hobby with out pocketbooks and dignities more or less intact.

Are you now, or have you ever been an employee or major stockholder of Games Workshop? Because you are taking an awfully partisan line there. I, for one will persist in thinking of them as a chaotic bunch of monkeys, thank you very much.

I wish, I might have been able to score a quick buck off Games Workshop fleecing the parents of their core demographic, an endless horde of snot-nosed punks. I'm by no means on their side, it's more a case of having utter contempt for all actors in this dismal spectacle.

GW's Board of Directors issuing orders out to the workers.

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The true name of the GW Headquarter.

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Agamemnon2 wrote:
We're all little people. Nothing we do matters one iota. The best outcome we can hope for is escaping the hobby with out pocketbooks and dignities more or less intact.

That's a beacon of hope in dark times!

Agamemnon2 wrote:

notprop wrote:Meanwhile....................................April 2010 - GW HQ Boardroom, Nottingham, England.

You know, it's posts like this that are a part of the problem. You treat Games Workshop like some kind of comicbook supervillain, which is not only completely insipid, but also outrageously naive. They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys. Demonizing them by this sort of infantile caricature serves nobody's interests, unless your intent is to portray this little "protest movement" as a bunch of teenagers completely out of touch with how the world works.

We're all little people. Nothing we do matters one iota. The best outcome we can hope for is escaping the hobby with out pocketbooks and dignities more or less intact.

your right, nothing we do will matter one lick spit to GW.... probably.
But what i do matters to me.
Their is a line between being a fan of the games GW puts out and being a fan of GW. im not at all a fan of the current GW because of the way it conducts it business. how it treats its fan base is abhorant. and as such i belive such actions taken from GW legal should have a suitable reaction from the people who support and buy the products.
Obviously a letter wont do squat, nor will complaint. but GW is a Business, its there to make money. So i 'choose' not to buy GW for the holidays and make alternative arangements for the things i would have bought as a protest against GW's behavior.
The people whom sit in the drivers seat of GW need to know that if alot of poeple think they have done something wrong, then they are answerable to the consequeses of those actions.
They will get the message someday, lets just hope its not so late that i stop buying altogether and switch to other companies for my minis.

Gandair wrote:

Pipboy101 wrote:The only person that will be hurt by a two month boycott is your FLGS owner.

I'm not sure about other guys, but my LGS does more than just warhammer...

If your FLGS is expecting typical large GW sales for the holiday, and instead you make him sit on a bunch of "excess" GW inventory for the next 6-8 months, while shorting him on the other stuff, I'm not sure he's going to like that...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Gandair wrote:

Pipboy101 wrote:The only person that will be hurt by a two month boycott is your FLGS owner.

I'm not sure about other guys, but my LGS does more than just warhammer...

If your FLGS is expecting typical large GW sales for the holiday, and instead you make him sit on a bunch of "excess" GW inventory for the next 6-8 months, while shorting him on the other stuff, I'm not sure he's going to like that...

Cant say i agree, most FLGS's i know dont order in huge stock for the holidays, but alot do restock after the holidays

Kilkrazy wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:
We're all little people. Nothing we do matters one iota. The best outcome we can hope for is escaping the hobby with out pocketbooks and dignities more or less intact.

That's a beacon of hope in dark times!

I snorted coffee, well played.

My FLGS just brought in a butt-load of AT-43 stock, so I'm sure they'll appreciate me taking some of that off of their hands.

Something I considered on the way home, slightly off topic but it fits here better than anywhere else.

What I find quite funny about this whole IP thing is that GW's early days were pretty much based on stealing ideas from others.

A large portion of the early WHFB is Tolkien inspired (Orcs, Goblins, Elves, Dark Elves [Eöl], Undead with their Wights and Ghouls, the two kingdoms of Men, and the Chaos wastes very much like Mordor )

Genestealers were a blatant rip-off of Aliens. The whole impregnation thing, and Space Hulk: Marines (Space Marines! They couldn't even think of a new name!) fighting off aggressive aliens in the corridors of spaceships.

The early 40k universe was obviously inspired by DUNE.
The Psykers, the Astropaths, and the Mechanicus, are all pretty much lifts with light rewrites of the Spacing/Navigator Guild, and Bene Gesserit in those books.
The Space Marines aren't too far apart from the Sardaukar, and the early Marine models were called Imperial Death Squads. Again quite close for comfort.
Most of the other early races (and some still current) are just WHFB lifts into a Sci-Fi setting, so Tolkien again..

So remember Kiddies! Don't touch GW's IP, just don't forget to forget where a lot of it came from.

Due to the sheer breadth and depth, Tolkien Fantasy became defacto standard - there isn't much of anything that doesn't follow it. GW ripped off no more than Gygax or Jordan, for example.

Dune, along with Heinlein (STroopers) and Asimov (Foundation) are similarly iconic insipration for pretty much everything that follows.

IMO, GW's the biggest movie rip off was Dark Future, and that thing tanked. Their big book rip would be Fury of Dracula - Stoker would be pissed!

Never mind stealing Tau Firewarriors off obscure album covers or their making off with Chaos right out of Elric.

That said, there are other things besides boycotts that can get GWs attention that don't require nearly as many people.

If you really want them to think the end is near: government audits are wonderful. Also get their employees discussing unionization. Put their name in the paper in a negative light. Don't lie. Just make them out to be villains. Some opportunistic public parasite or other will try to snap up what he perceives as an easy way to gain votes. Get him talking about regulating their business.

The price of their stock drops like a rock.

BaronIveagh wrote:stealing Tau Firewarriors off obscure album covers

And obscure video games, the pilot helmets in Colony Wars Vengeance look a lot like fire warrior heads.

Anyways, I don't know if the boycot will work or not, given the general dakka population. Somewhere between 'lets do it!' and indifference.

I'll give you the Tolkien thing.
Although I think there are plenty of other Sci-Fi settings that don't use Herbert, Heinlein, or Asimov as its foundation. Also I don't think inspiration from Heinlein or Asimov had much to do with the original idea behind 40K.

Agamemnon2 wrote:They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys.

How sure are on this?

Lord of battles wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys.

How sure are on this?

Given how they write rulebooks, I would not be surprised to find a thousand monkeys banging away on keyboards in their offices...

Agamemnon2 wrote:

notprop wrote:Meanwhile....................................April 2010 - GW HQ Boardroom, Nottingham, England.

You know, it's posts like this that are a part of the problem. You treat Games Workshop like some kind of comicbook supervillain, which is not only completely insipid, but also outrageously naive. They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys. Demonizing them by this sort of infantile caricature serves nobody's interests, unless your intent is to portray this little "protest movement" as a bunch of teenagers completely out of touch with how the world works.

We're all little people. Nothing we do matters one iota. The best outcome we can hope for is escaping the hobby with out pocketbooks and dignities more or less intact.

Oh dear, it appears someone was a little cranky when they got up this morning! I personally do not have a problem with GW or the way they operate, but a little satire in the face of allot of OMG!! throwing of toys out of the pram drama goes along way in this sceptred isle, but clearly does not translate to erm.....where-ever? You should try poking a little fun in the face of adversity you might find some of you posts being a little less doom and gloom. Sorry this isn't meant to sound like an attack [does it even?] but i'm far too lazy to translate into passive web nonsense or use the del button.

Suffice to say the underlining theme of my previous post was that GW can and will raise prices at a rate they choose, their market is such that a slight diminish in sales volume can be off set by an increase in price if required. They have't been particularly hit by the recession and are infact expanding their retail base.

Anyway like me old pappy always said "all the best jokes need to be expained"

And finally Agee - Cheer up you old bugger! [walks off whistling]

I work in a very big company and I can tell you from experience that it is much more like a chaotic assembly of monkeys than the well oiled machine people like to think businesses are.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys.

How sure are on this?

Given how they write rulebooks, I would not be surprised to find a thousand monkeys banging away on keyboards in their offices...

Maybe someday they'll write the complete works of Shakespeare?

BaronIveagh wrote:Put their name in the paper in a negative light.

Some opportunistic public parasite or other will try to snap up what he perceives as an easy way to gain votes. Get him talking about regulating their business.

Too bad nobody reads newspapers anymore...

More government regulation? HELL, NO. I'd rather GW drove every other manufacturer into bankruptcy with a perpetual, Disneyean non-compete guarantee than have an even larger government bureaucracy managing my hobby!

The problem is, the kind of person you want to join this boycott is the type of person who spends a lot of money at GW.
Those kinds of people won't join and will more likely oppose such an action, because they like GW as it sells them the models they crave.
If they boycott, how will they get their 40k or WHFB fix?

The kind of person who would join this boycott, has probably stopped buying GW products directly a long while ago.
Either by moving on to another system, or by buying second hand off Ebay.
If they join will it make a difference? No, because they don't buy anyway.

So in the end you're trying to convince the "not sure" crowd, who don't feel strongly either way.
So probably won't take any action either, or if they do it'll be a half-hearted effort because they don't really care as much as you do.

Damn shame but there you go. Now you know how Greenpeace feel.

I'm in.
21st November, 2009.

Ends about 20th January, 2010.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:You can't, however, have Warhammer of Justice league nights at Joseph's Hobby Shop, or Blood Bowltastic league nights.

I'll bet you can have Blood Bowltastic league nights if you're an AMF bowling alley...

The WoJl should be okay too, since warhammer is a generic term. The Warhammer Justice League might have a problem though.

@temprus, that's because DC Comics would object to the "Justice League" bit infringing on their trademark!

starbomber109 wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:They are a business, not some chaotic assembly of monkeys.

How sure are on this?

Given how they write rulebooks, I would not be surprised to find a thousand monkeys banging away on keyboards in their offices...

Maybe someday they'll write the complete works of Shakespeare?

They already have. "Shakespeare" was just the name of the luckiest zookeeper/editor in the world...

Actually DC are pretty easygoing with their IP.
They actually encourage fan art, they are the anti-Disney.

hey the c+d letters are a source of a piss take on you tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK-cI9bE9Tw