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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 00:16:48
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Why not let them have it?
The only reason they don't have it in their current codex is because in 3rd Ed Rhino Rush Assault armies were broken. GW made the GK's stupid awesome in assault (well at the time anyway), but removed the Rhino option in order to curtail any abuse that would've happened in 3rd Ed.
They're Marines. They should have what Marines have, with more options/specialization, and pay for their benefits.
Here's hoping they finally get Meltas and the like. To kill Soul Grinders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 00:17:27
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Phanobi
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So GK's are too cool to ride in metal boxes? All the cool kids teleport into battle...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 00:25:12
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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H.B.M.C. wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Bugger about the razors. So nows the time to shelf all the psycannon turrets?
They're an Inquisitorial transport option anyway, not a GK transport option.
Do you know something we dont? Automatically Appended Next Post: Voodoo Boyz wrote:Why not let them have it?
Here's hoping they finally get Meltas and the like. To kill Soul Grinders.
Oh the conversion possibilities. :-)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 00:27:17
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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It was in the IA book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 00:27:48
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm with Jonnyboy that the GK's shouldn't have Rhinos and Razorbacks (or any Rhino-based vehicle for that matter). If the Rhino/Razorback makes it into the Codex, it should be an option for Inquisitorial units only, not any GK units.
And really, the R-Back is a Marine unit, unique to them like the Pred, Vindi and Whirly.
I'd be fine with not having Rhinos/Razors. LR spam usually works like a charm for me with GK,anyways,and with everything trending towards mech,it would be nice to see a competitive footslogging SM army. If the rumors for rerolling armor saves are true,then against most armies you are beter off footslogging and softening up units with SB fire,anyways. If you run accross someone with BC's,then you hide the footsloggers behind the LR's while they advance. If GK can reroll saves AND get access to cheap transports,then I think the army will become overpowered. They'd just be too difficult to dig off of objectives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 03:25:58
Subject: Re:Grey Knight new rumours.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hope they dont get rhinos and raxorbacks, just the ISTs.
I cant see GKs riding to battle in tin cans, such quality troops arent risked in drop pods and paper thin rhinos, they should go protected in landraiders to ensure the biggest possible chance that they reach where they are needed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 04:00:41
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Plus their shtick is teleportation. They're one of the few groups that Teleports PA units, and it sets them apart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 04:07:21
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Lord of the Fleet
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They should get Heroic Intervention
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 04:15:19
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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And Teleporting Land Raiders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 04:21:45
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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H.B.M.C. wrote:And Teleporting Land Raiders.
This would make me LOL. Deepstriking Promethus in the middle of the enemies deployment, BAWOOSH! with the giant flamey clouds of death.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 04:27:08
Subject: Re:Grey Knight new rumours.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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And Sternguard Veteran Special Issue Ammunition for all their Stormbolters...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 04:32:39
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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wolfshadow wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:And Teleporting Land Raiders.
This would make me LOL. Deepstriking Promethus in the middle of the enemies deployment, BAWOOSH! with the giant flamey clouds of death.
Oh god, please tell me Matt Ward isn't working the GK codex. First it's deep striking land raiders, and next thing you know, you'll have the GK teaming up with Khorne Berzerkers to banish some daemonettes before leaving as the bestest of friends.
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metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 04:36:36
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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It would be cool if you could upgrade to some unique heavy version of the GK flamer thing for the Flamer-Landraider
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 06:21:00
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Incinerator Cannons on the Grey Knight Redeemer. They could just be the current rules + Ignore Invul Saves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 06:28:59
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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RogueSangre
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Incinerator Cannons on the Grey Knight Redeemer. They could just be the current rules + Ignore Invul Saves.
Isn't that pretty much what this is?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 06:31:19
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hmm...well, that's a shame. I liked the idea of Daemonhosts, if nothing else. I wouldn't mind them being updated rather than just scratched completely. One of the reasons I made a Chaos army in the first place was for the diversity of troop, rather than just the same baseline soldier with varying equipment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 12:04:55
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Commander Endova wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Incinerator Cannons on the Grey Knight Redeemer. They could just be the current rules + Ignore Invul Saves.
Isn't that pretty much what this is?
pretty much, though the rules for it state that it only ignores cover IIRC
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 13:03:03
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Because FW are gak at writing rules, and Warwick probably just copypasta'd the entry from the Marine Codex, did a find replace on "Space Marine" with "Grey Knight", and went home early for the day (exhausted, of course).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 14:02:35
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Because FW are gak at writing rules, and Warwick probably just copypasta'd the entry from the Marine Codex, did a find replace on "Space Marine" with "Grey Knight", and went home early for the day (exhausted, of course).
Except they don't say that. It correctly states that the Flamestorm Incinerators ignore invulnerable saves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 14:12:51
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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RogueSangre
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I dunno. The product description says they are Flamestorm Incinerators, so I just assumed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 17:52:25
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Is it written in the Fluff that the GK have Chaplains?
Yes, ROC army list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 18:10:23
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Gamble wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:Is it written in the Fluff that the GK have Chaplains?
Yes, ROC army list.
Then, none of the PA GK are Psykers? OK...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 18:15:21
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Irked Necron Immortal
Columbia, South Carolina
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This may have been discussed at length already and if so I apologize. Nobody else thinks an entire army rerolling failed saves is well beyond left field?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 18:21:54
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Sarge wrote:This may have been discussed at length already and if so I apologize. Nobody else thinks an entire army rerolling failed saves is well beyond left field?
It's almost like there's this thing called points cost, and by giving units powerful abilities you can increase their points costs, which allows you to take less of them. Which thusly balances them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 18:23:40
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sarge wrote:This may have been discussed at length already and if so I apologize. Nobody else thinks an entire army rerolling failed saves is well beyond left field? Not at all. Re-rolled saves simply mean that the GKs fail 3% (vs 17%) of their AA/ TDA saves, 25% (vs 50%) of their cover saves, or 44% (vs 67%) of their Invul saves. It's better, but not really earth shattering - massed fire of the appropriate type will still be effective, just somewhat less so. It's not like they're auto-passing or getting those saves for free. Nor is it likely that they'll have the full breadth of attack ability that the IG and SM contain. It's sounding like a defensive Rock army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 18:53:11
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Dakka Veteran
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There's nothing wrong with a Chaplain in a Grey Knights organization.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 19:19:22
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Gamble wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:Is it written in the Fluff that the GK have Chaplains?
Yes, ROC army list.
Then, none of the PA GK are Psykers? OK...
Why would these statements be connected?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 19:21:01
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Did you ever read the ROC GK list? Or the ROC GK Fluff?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 19:22:09
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Irrelevant. Why would chaplains being in the Grey Knights mean that the average Grey Knight is not a psyker? They would HAVE to be a psyker to use NFWs, so you would be claiming the average Grey Knight does not have an NFW, despite fluff saying otherwise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/20 19:35:02
Subject: Grey Knight new rumours.
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Sinister Chaos Marine
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MVBrandt wrote:
Much will rest on the shoulders of the Anointed Armor rumor - if it's true that their GK models get to re-roll basically all saves, that alone will ensure the quality of the dex - coupled/ w the option for cheap horde troops, you'll be able to field GK that don't simply die when you point a few heavier or spammier weapons in their over-pointsed direction.
This is good as it might force a step away from mech lists, they'll be hardy enough on their own to walk around undenied.
Problem comes in where they can't pop six rhinos over the course of a game, and I don't see this problem being fixed with any new rumors, other armies with razorback spam will walk all over it.
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