Speculation on special September release (Update with WD September incoming page)

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**Cryonicleech**

yakface wrote:
I just don't see how they can do the 'Space Hulk' treatment for Blood Bowl or any other 'specialist game'

I'm assume they'd release just one "starter" box or something.

Either way, I'm hopeful, but Yak does have a point.

**wyomingfox**

sonofruss wrote:
Watchmen 2 (2007) wrote:Man-O-War
I think we can also expect a future re-release of Man-O-War (one of the best games ever produced by Games Workshop!). However, they would surely not miss the opportunity to make it fully integrated with Warmaster and the new Mighty Empires (although I would not be surprised if we see it first for Warmaster Ancients if Rick Priestly has anything to do with it).

Didn't rick leave already?

That article was written by Harry back in 2007. Basically, Harry had heard rummors back in 2007 that GW was going to bring out a naval fantasy type game sometime in the future. At the time, he assumed that what he had heard was in regards to revitalizing Man-O-War. He now realizes that he had misinterpreted the rumors.

The rumors so far point to:
*a special release slated for either September or October (Bramguant last heard October)
*Fantasy themed (Ghost 21)
*Naval themed (Ghost 21 and Harry)
*NOT Man-O-War (Harry)
*Not a board game (Ghost 21)

My guess is it will be some kind of Naval expansion for Warhammer...maybe akin to Mighty Empires

**GiraffeX**

You never know it could be two games in one box Oi Dat's My Leg! & Trolls in the Pantry!

**4oursword**

TYRANID ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for punctuation abuse.

**CURNOW**

GiraffeX wrote:You never know it could be two games in one box Oi Dat's My Leg! & Trolls in the Pantry!

Oh please please release them again as my troll tape has worn out !

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

wyomingfox wrote:

That article was written by Harry back in 2007. Basically, Harry had heard rummors back in 2007 that GW was going to bring out a naval fantasy type game sometime in the future. At the time, he assumed that what he had heard was in regards to revitalizing Man-O-War. He now realizes that he had misinterpreted the rumors.

The rumors so far point to:
*a special release slated for either September or October (Bramguant last heard October)
*Fantasy themed (Ghost 21)
*Naval themed (Ghost 21 and Harry)
*NOT Man-O-War (Harry)
*Not a board game (Ghost 21)

My guess is it will be some kind of Naval expansion for Warhammer...maybe akin to Mighty Empires

Well that would be a big let down if accurate. I'm much more interested in some kind of box game deal, than another expansion of sorts, especially this close to Storm of Magic.

**Mad4Minis**

wyomingfox wrote:1)

My guess is it will be some kind of Naval expansion for Warhammer...maybe akin to Mighty Empires

Id have to pass on that, dont play fantasy, not planning to start.

Im still holding hope for WHQ.

A reworked Necromunda basic game would be my dream, but I wont hold my breath on that. They still sell the gangs, all we need is a sweet new starter.

**Kroothawk**

RetributionAngel wrote:how do you know that there will be a secret-box???
its just a rumor!!!
why start a threat if you have no fakts or rumors?

Please decide whether you accuse me of posting a rumour or not posting a rumour. Then I can answer. (and I started a thread, not a threat

)

RetributionAngel wrote:after the SOM releas just now
i don´t think there will be a spezial extra releas this year
its not wise from a marketting perspectiv

We will see soon.

**Scottywan82**

RetributionAngel wrote:
how do you know that there will be a secret-box???
its just a rumor!!!
why start a threat if you have no fakts or rumors?

after the SOM releas just now
i don´t think there will be a spezial extra releas this year
its not wise from a marketting perspectiv

What does Marcellus Wallace look like?

**ddsa86**

Since everyone here is speculating, guessing and making up stuff I will throw in my opinion / guess. With all the other game companies coming up with skirmish games and or boxed board games, I would say that they bring back Necromunda or Warhammer Quest. My own wish is that they relaunch Gothic with Finecast models. But who is to say with all the GW corporate changes what it might be. I recall that this rumor has been out every year for the past several years and the only real result was Space Hulk. What would be really cool is that they drop 6th edition on us with a new starter box....

**Kroothawk**

Harry posted some information:

Ender Shadowkin wrote:It is suspicious that someone in the know hasn't squashed the 28 scale idea down yet...

Let me do that now .... SQUASH!

Shyvax wrote:well, a MoW scale would make much more sense. I can't imagine the size of the table to play tactical battle with those big boats. No way, I say it's MoW scale, at least I hope so ^^

It's not. It is not Man o War. It is not Man O War scale.

static grass wrote:When I first saw Pirates of the high seas http://gamesofwar.net/acatalog/Pirate_Supplies_Store.html#aGOW_2dPS003 I was abit "whaaaaaat?!???" So there already is 28mm ships and pirates game out there thanks to none other than warhammer historical. It looks like this game is aimed at close quarters naval action rather than being a naval manoeuvre game. It's not MoW and it seems possible that we might sea a fantasty version of this?

Sadly ... no But ... it does not take much to knock up some house rules for different fantasy races to go with these rules.

What you and a number of people have said about 28mm scale is correct. Not best for a naval battle game.
28mm boats ... cool as they would be ... would only be scenery for warhammer or a skirmish game like Legend of the High Seas. Great game by the way ... but then I love all the warhammer historical stuff.

I confess when this first cropped up my first thoughts were the boats they had considered a few years ago in Warhammer scale that hastings mentions ... I think they even got as far as mock ups ... so I was quite excited about that as I have fancied plastic boats in warhammer scale since I saw the stompa kits and imagined the possibilities. I would snaffle up any boats they did in 28mm scale because I love that sort of thing but that is not this. This is something different.

So we are left with NOT Man O War, NOT Warhammer scale so .... somewhere in between.

When I first heard about this ... several year ago and what I hinted at in The Watchman back then was that they were looking into Naval combat in WARMASTER scale. I also heard that Rick Priestly was interested and if he had his way we would see naval battles for Warmaster historical before we saw it for fantasy. It was all just pie in the sky back then and as a result .....

... I had forgotten about this.
So when this rumour cropped again I failed to put two and two together initially.

But I have put it together now and I only have one thing to say .....
BRING IT ON!

I see the very nice rumour about sea gribblies on the previous page - nice catch.

This is Warhammer ... we are not getting a game without gribbleys.

If GW really tries to copy Uncharted Seas by Spartan Games, they are in for tough competition.
Anyway, seems like personally I will give this a pass.
A Naval Battle game will not come near the success Space Hulk was (and could have been with better marketing).

**Kroothawk**

Small update by dax over at Warseer (in a post he has edited to remove some information!:

I've heard that it is a Man O War type game and the scale is more suited to Warmaster. This has been in the works since 2009, now for the interesting part there is at least one Dark Elf ship done which would make more sense as a raiding fleet.

**shoggoth**

SoB resins pleaaaaase!

**aka_mythos**

Kroothawk wrote:Small update by dax over at Warseer (in a post he has edited to remove some information!:

I've heard that it is a Man O War type game and the scale is more suited to Warmaster. This has been in the works since 2009, now for the interesting part there is at least one Dark Elf ship done which would make more sense as a raiding fleet.

Every thing really seems to makes it sound like Man-o-Warmaster.... Ships for Man-O-War were about 30-40mm in length... in Warmaster's scale I'd imagine the ships would need to be 2 or 3 times that.

**Flashman**

Sooo....

We're talking a Warhammer navy fantasy game with boats larger than Man O War.

I'd be very interested in this, but how far would GW expand the range? I can't see them going as far as last time, but you'd expect at least Empire, High Elves, Dwarves, Dark Elves and some other evil races with sea faring in the fluff like Skaven and Chaos Marauders/Norsemen.

I also think that there's no real reason that you couldn't do more than two races in one box if there was no more than 3 class of ships per race. 4 large sprues (as is typical for a large box set), one for each race, should yield a fair number of boats each, no?

**infinite_array**

Flashman wrote:Sooo....

We're talking a Warhammer navy fantasy game with boats larger than Man O War.

I'd be very interested in this, but how far would GW expand the range? I can't see them going as far as last time, but you'd expect at least Empire, High Elves, Dwarves, Dark Elves and some other evil races with sea faring in the fluff like Skaven and Chaos Marauders/Norsemen.

I also think that there's no real reason that you couldn't do more than two races in one box if there was no more than 3 class of ships per race. 4 large sprues (as is typical for a large box set), one for each race, should yield a fair number of boats each, no?

I can see it being a Fantasy Flight boxed game, something like a board game. Square-based map, and 3-4 plastic fleets.

**fullheadofhair**

Why would there be a game that is known only by mostly vets that will be tied to a game that practically no-one plays and that GW doesn;t even support. Where is the business sense is that? I just don't get it.

**ceorron**

I think I get it and it makes unusual reasoning but I think I may have made some sense of it.

GW takes a lot of it's inspiration from films. What has been one of the most popular films of recent years but Pirates of the Caribbean.

Think about it, the whole pirates thing done in warhammer, thats a strong theme to begin with.

Empire v vampire counts (aka undead skeleton) ala the first Pirates film. I know it is difficult to vision but that is my guess.

I have also heard a rumour saying that the enemy will rise this autumn (or something like that). People are thinking that refers to Necrons but could be refering to the undead aka vamps in the Man O War game.

So not only do I think this is right but my guess is that the box will contain Empire and Vampire Counts if this rumour is correct.

Just a bit of a hypothisis.

**Eumerin**

Kroothawk wrote:Small update by dax over at Warseer (in a post he has edited to remove some information!:

I've heard that it is a Man O War type game and the scale is more suited to Warmaster. This has been in the works since 2009, now for the interesting part there is at least one Dark Elf ship done which would make more sense as a raiding fleet.

Could be that the DE ships that were on display in the 8th edition Fantasy rule book were designed for whatever this sooper sekret project is?

**ceorron**

kartofelkopf wrote:I have it on good* authority that it's a re-release of 'Railway Rivals.'

*read: no authority other than a bemused mocking of the European fixation on railroad games.

EDIT: On reading the wikipedia article for the game, it actually sounds like it might be fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Rivals

Wow I had no idea Games Workshop made something like that. Will need to keep my eyes out for that one at car boot sales/second hand etc.

**-Loki-**

Hopefully this is GW dipping their feet in Specialist games again, rather than a 1 off release.

**Alpharius**

Sadly, I don't think that's what this is at all, and that Specialist Games remain, for the most part, dead and buried for GW.

**Panic**

yeah,

Scottywan82 wrote:
RetributionAngel wrote:
how do you know that there will be a secret-box???
its just a rumor!!!
why start a threat if you have no fakts or rumors?

after the SOM releas just now
i don´t think there will be a spezial extra releas this year
its not wise from a marketting perspectiv

What does Marcellus Wallace look like?

The dude is German, His english is good enough for me...
his post about weak rumours in the rumour forum lacked any real point though.

Panic...

**Breotan**

If the MoW type game actually bears fruit, it means I likely won't be buying. I just don't have much interest in stuff like that. I don't even play BFG even though that's seeing a bit of an uptick in play here in Seattle.

**gorgon**

fullheadofhair wrote:Why would there be a game that is known only by mostly vets that will be tied to a game that practically no-one plays and that GW doesn;t even support. Where is the business sense is that? I just don't get it.

Does seem odd. The Pirates/Caribbean theory is solid, but this game doesn't look like a sure thing, and wasn't that the point of the last mystery box? A sure thing that will sell through quickly?

**Kroothawk**

Gw had two options:

1.) Rerelease a proven bestseller with the potential to draw new customers to the game (Heroquest/Warhammer Quest) or
2.) Rerelease a game, that was an economic failure even at its first release, has no potential to gain new customers and now has a strong established competition with Uncharted Seas and Dystopian Wars by Spartan Games.

Tim Kirby and Mark Wells looked at each other, lol'd hard and chose option 2.

**Achaylus72**

With GW new policy of releasing information one week prior to release, and everyone here knows this, any speculation or rumour is just that.

Anyone who tells you they have the inside scoop on what will be released in September basically is talking nonsense. Even GW staff at the coalface have no idea.

GW isn't going to release any game that can not be sold through its B & M stores, this rules out any of the Specialist Games. So no Necromunder, Blood Bowl etc.....

**shoggoth**

I think its necrons, considering they have stop stocking them?

same with sisters?

**Kroothawk**

shoggoth wrote:I think its necrons, considering they have stop stocking them?
same with sisters?

Erm, you mean that the special boxed game similar to the Space Hulk release is a Necron Codex? Or the Sororitas Codex, coming parallel to the Sororitas WD Codex? Rather not

BTW a quick check of the GW website would have shown that GW is still stocking almost all Necron and Sororitas models.

**kitch102**

Has there ever been a Fantasy Naval game done by GW? The reason I ask:

About 10 years ago I was given a VIP tour of Nottingham HQ. I got to meet everybody, the white dwarf guys, the designers, the mini makers - everyone. I can't remember the name of the guy that did the tour, he was one of the mini makers and his wife was on the board or somewhere high up in mega management.

Towards the end of the tour I was asked what I thought would be a good concept for a new game, and suggested the navy theme (spinning off of the recent battlefleet gothic release) and was told that it was already under consideration. Not to say that it would never be released, but I would have thought that we'd seen it by now if they had any temptation of releasing something like.