Speculation on special September release (Update with WD September incoming page)

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**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Although I'd love a remake of all the BB teams, because lets be frank some of them look really poor today, in fact I feel a lot of 2nd ed Blood Bowl figs look better than the current.

I really don't see folks at GW having any issue with re-releasing a new version of the big box as a celebration of its history.
A short release, not more teams, just an update, nice new pitch design, and re-design of two teams in the box, most likely Orc and Human.

They'd probably think they where throwing us a bone and should be eternally grateful they even bothered to do up one of the Specalist Games.

So yeah, I don't expect all the teams getting redone, which is a shame, but I could see them just doing the main box as a quick way to make some cash. Hell depending on how they promote it, they don't even need to reference the missing teams, just a 'hey look how awesome these new plastic sculpts are' It's worth the purchase just for them.

**Alpharius**

That is a good idea!

Let FFG take over Blood Bowl - and then we might actually see expansions/new teams/etc.!

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aye, in fact give FFG the whole danged specialist Games range. Those 'future/alternate reality WW2' Dust? figs prove they can handle detailled miniatures.

If GW have no plans of bringing it back, I'm sure FFG could make some money out of the range.

**BrassScorpion**

Space Hulk was out of print for well more than a decade before the 3rd edition splash release. Blood Bowl may not be GW's most accessible product these days, but it's not out of print or completely unavailable. Even if they do another Blood Bowl revision it's not equivalent to the Space Hulk release, not at all.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aye, although I'm not looking at it like that myself. The only comparrison I'd see with Space Hulk is it being a self contained game in a box.

I have no idea if this rumour is accurate mind, I just don't see any issue with it being a stand alone release. No matter how grating that would be for fans of the other races, myself included.
Hell, I'd not be surprised if the book didn't even mention them in that case rules wise.

Of course with recent production of plastics and vast steps to improve it, they might shock the hell out of everyone and have four teams or even more in there. I must stress I highly doubt that, but its not beyond belief when you look at IoB and AOBR.

**Necros**

They really need to start farming out their specialist games to other companies that can do them right.. or do a whole separate company kinda thing, like FW.

I'd like to see em announce they're gonna reprint the new space hulk and always have it around, and do some expansions with new missions and tiles... and then bring back warhammer quest that's really like the same style game, only fantasy.

**Kanluwen**

SilverMK2 wrote:I'd rather they re-release Spacehulk or Warhammer Quest.

Re-re-release Space Hulk!

Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has the rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog. So we might see Necromunda back soon.

**SilverMK2**

Kanluwen wrote:Re-re-release Space Hulk!

However, it would only be a re-release of the current edition

**Necros**

That would be great.. Necromunda is my all time favorite GW game, even though I haven't played it since it was new.. me and a friend had 3 sets between us so we could have massive underhives. Now it's all just spare 40k terrain :(

**XV25**

I can only imagine how amazing new Necromunda terrain would look considering how far the quality of their plastics has come since the mid 90's...

**Platuan4th**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
yakface wrote:Sure they can come out with a nice shiny new release of the game, but there's no way they're going to sink a bunch of money into making new models for every team when they have no space in their miniature line to carry another game.

That's *why* Space Hulk worked, because it was everything in a single box. GW printed a run, sold it out, and they're done.

That's what I keep telling people.

So, kinda what they did to Grind: make it from a build a team game to a board game with minor customization?

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aye, the only reason I haven't taken up Necromunda again is the range is dying a death, in looks and actual models available.

Blood Bowl is worse, Quest doesn't exist unless you want to pay through the nose on ebay. Epic is in ruins and Mordheim is also missing some key figures from the range.

Anything that helps bring life to SG again, would be huge news in my book.

**col. krazy kenny**

Black box special edition Blod Bowl!!! Yeah!!! about time GW is losing alot of the Blood bowl bussiness to thrid party manufactures.Also the CEO has mention a rehash of Blood bowl.They have some of the most dedicated fan base of any of the GW games.i for one i am an NAF member,i run a convention tournament and i am an active in the International players community.They (GW) have mention they want to do the models as multi part plastic kits.Sorry quest fans but BB is a seller not an old defunct Milton Bradley game.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Hey Quest was a GW game, Warhammer Quest is the one we are talking about, Heoquest is fun an all, but not the game folks are lamenting.

Also Been a NAF member myself in the past, have two sets of Block dice from my previous times over there, but not for a while sadly.
As stated Blood Bowl would make me happy, FFG however bringing back most of the SG range would make me dance a jig.

**Chimaera**

I wouldn't be surprised if it was some special box set to accompany the Space Marine game release.

**Bloodwin**

As others have siad the problem with Blood Bowl would be the variety of teams, but it is still actively played at tournaments. They could do a deluxe game with a plastic pitch like a mini realm of battle board. I'd much rather see Warhammer Quest redone. And I'm not in favour of FFG doing it. They have mutilated Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay and their minis are duff. The build quality of FFG is nice but they are too fond of weird dice and convoluted rules systems that make you buy into their supplies. I want a simple D6 system.

Warhammer Quest could be cool as they could do expansions for Warhammer armies as they come out. That way even people who cant afford a WHFB army can buy a few Finecast specials and a box of core. if they were being really evil they could do them as digital only expansions behind a subscriber wall. I don't want to see Necromunda ressurected, another minis line would not be good right now. Mordheim might work if they pegged it onto Warhammer Fantasy minis.

**Platuan4th**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Hey Quest was a GW game, Warhammer Quest is the one we are talking about, Heoquest is fun an all, but not the game folks are lamenting.

Easy to see the confusion, though, considering that they both have Quest in the name and the models for both games were sculpted by GW.

**Flashman**

Consider the fact that starter boxes in recent years have included 60+ miniatures. Blood Bowl teams have 11 players a side, so could a new box not include 5 to 6 teams?

As an aside, GW Oxford Street Plaza were selling Blood Bowl (the last edition) a few months ago.

**Worglock**

I loved Blood Bowl as an idea. Hated some of the rules. Especially the one where your turn ends if a guy falls over. That got me right out of it after one game.

If they got rid of that and the "procedure" rule (forgot what it's called, the whole moving your turn counter and junk. I'd try it again. Otherwise. Probably not.

**H.B.M.C.**

Platuan4th wrote:So, kinda what they did to Grind: make it from a build a team game to a board game with minor customization?

I'm sure the Blood Bowl community would love that.

That was sarcasm.

**Hellfury**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, in fact give FFG the whole danged specialist Games range. Those 'future/alternate reality WW2' Dust? figs prove they can handle detailled miniatures

While I agree that FFG should be given more leeway in their license in order to handle some games with miniatures playing a more predominant roles (something which is restricted in their current license) DUST is not FFG game. It is "DUST Games" Game.

In other words, FFG are just in charge of publishing and distributing the game. "DUST games" (the company) are the one in charge of hiring the sculptors and other development of the game.

**Kroothawk**

Posted by Erazmus_M_Wattle over at Warseer:

I have it in fairly good authority that the secret release is neither bloodbowl or heroquest. In fact I have it on good authority it's not a specialist game at all.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has the rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog. So we might see Necromunda back soon.

Wait, hold up. Missed this.

Since when, Kan?

**Hellfury**

Kanluwen wrote:Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has ABSOLUTELY NO rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog OR ANY OTHER GW GAME WHOSE COMPONENTS PREDOMINANTLY FEATURE MINIATURES.[/quote

FTFY Kan.

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has the rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog. So we might see Necromunda back soon.

Wait, hold up. Missed this.

Since when, Kan?

Supposedly last year sometime. I vaguely remember it coming up during the whole Blood Bowl debacle where GW had hinted at they'd passed the rights on to FFG and had to 'protect FFG's work as a licensee'.

**H.B.M.C.**

They're making a Blood Bowl card game. That hardly = "all of specialist".

They'd do a much better job than specialist than GW, but as long as that 'no miniature-based games' clause remains, we'll never get good versions of the specialist games.

**Kanluwen**

I have to wonder where that "no miniature based games" clause is coming from.

And if anyone has thought to point out the Horus Heresy game as an example of how it's not likely true.

**H.B.M.C.**

They are counters for a boardgame.

Making actual miniatures is a completely different thing.

And it's simple - GW doesn't want any competition with 40K/WFB models.

**Hellfury**

Kanluwen wrote:I have to wonder where that "no miniature based games" clause is coming from.

And if anyone has thought to point out the Horus Heresy game as an example of how it's not likely true.

It comes from the actual license agreement between FFG and GW:

"Fantasy Flight Games to Exclusively Publish Board Games, Card Games, and Roleplaying Games based on Games Workshop properties.
Second deal to include Sabertooth Games' Universal Fighting System CCG

Roseville, Minnesota (February 22, 2008) – Fantasy Flight Games (“FFG”) and Games Workshop (“GW”) jointly announced today that they have reached an agreement for Fantasy Flight Games to become the exclusive publisher of board games, card games (including collectible card games), and roleplaying games based on Games Workshop’s family of renowned intellectual properties including Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Warhammer 40,000. Additionally, the deal will grant FFG the exclusive rights to publish new versions of the classic board and
card games titles published by Games Workshop over the last 25 years.

Additionally, a second agreement between the parties will transfer the publication rights and system of the Universal Fighting System CCG, formerly published by Sabertooth Games, to FFG.

“We are just so thrilled to partner with Games Workshop in such an encompassing deal,” said Christian T. Petersen, CEO and founder of FFG. “Not only will we be able to continue the publication of some phenomenal roleplaying, card, and board games currently on the market, but we look forward to creating new games for the popular GW universes!”

In Fantasy Flight Games, we’ve found a partner who shares our passion for gaming and our dedication to producing the highest quality products,” said Andy Jones, Head of Legal and Licensing for Games Workshop. “ The legacy of our board, card, and roleplaying games is in the best possible hands with them, and we are extremely excited about the prospects of seeing some fabulous new games set in our universes as well. ”
"This is the beginning of an exciting new era for the Universal Fighting System," said Stephen Horvath, CEO of Sabertooth Games. “Fantasy Flight Games are the perfect choice to carry on the UFS line, and fans can expect great new content and more fantastic events supporting their favorite CCG going forward. FFG will take over the production of Talisman, and plan to produce a new printing and expansions for the 4th edition of this ever-popular classic board game. Further, FFG will continue production and new-product support for the Universal Fighting System CCG, the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay RPG, and the new smash-hit Dark Heresy RPG. More details on FFG’s publication plans for these titles will be provided in the weeks to come. The agreement does not include certain GW titles in which miniatures feature as the predominant component of of the game, such as Space Hulk and Blood Bowl. The Universal Fighting System CCG will continue to be sold as starter and booster packs in a traditional CCG format. FFG has no current plans to adopt the game to its LCG™ (“Living Card Game”) sales model."

**Kanluwen**

No skin off my back then.