Tyranids 2nd Wave Rumours (Actual Updates on Page 29, Pics on Page 31!)

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**puma713**

Maybe this discussion could be spun off into another rules thread, rather than discussing the rules (which we don't even know if they are real or not) in the thread about the Tyranid 2nd wave.

**Maelstrom808**

Agreed, probably just move it to the big thread about the PDF.

**Posit**

H.B.M.C. wrote:He was speculating. Don't convert that to fact right away.

Yes, sorry, I didn't mean for that to be taken as an actual rumor or news; I have no source of information. Though I do think it's hilarious that it's so easy to convince some Tyranid players that GW would do something that cruel.

**Maelstrom808**

Well, it's kind of like trying to scare a beaten puppy.

**N.I.B.**

I'm glad that we discuss the implicactions for 6th ed Tyranids in this thread, instead of drowning in the big thread.

tetrisphreak wrote:
N.I.B. wrote:
Ratius wrote:

+ Catalyst is not a psychic shooting attack.
+ You can choose to deep-strike your Trygon first and create the hole and have everything follow.
+ Monstrous creatures have their strength doubled in close combat

Catalyst has never been a psychic shooting attack.
The Trygon hole can only be used by one unit per turn, and they cannot charge the turn they show up.

Ratius wrote:
+ Hormagants have a 18" static charge range

Again these guys are often neglected for Tervi/termy spam so this gives them a nice boost. 12" deployment + 18" charge. yes please.

+ Tyranid Primes can join squads of warriors in a Spore
+ Doom's Spirit Leech is now twice as strong.

Someone said that it would be silly if Hormagants had 24" charge range, which is the range of much shooting. Well, Raveners have 24" charge range today... The average is 21", but will be taken down to 18".

As I understand it, Spirit Leech is now an activated psychic power that requires a psychic test and can be countered. Plus it counts as a psychic shooting attack so the enemies get cover saves.

Raveners are Beasts - They will have a move of 7", a run/cruise of 14", and thanks to bounding leap/gallop a charge range of 21". Exactly what the average range is now, with no ambiguity or threat of rolling low.

OH and they have move through cover which lets them bounding-leap through terrain without being slowed down. Raveners will be good.

My bad, looked at the Tyranid errata and saw that Hormagaunts has to chose between Fleet and Bounding Leap, and assumed it applied to Raveners too. But how do you know that Raveners have 7" move from Beasts and not 8" move from Fleet?

Re: Spirit Leech

pg 87/108 pdf
ADDTIONAL PSYCHIC POWERS
The basic Psychic Power action covers most of the
summonings on the battlefields of Warhammer
40,000. However, some powers are activated by a
different action and follow slightly different rules.
They require a successful Psychic test and can
provoke a Perils of the Warp attack like a normal
psychic power.

Shock Wave
Model Type: Psychic, Power, Shooting, Disembarked
Shock waves are psychic shooting powers that
work in a certain radius of the psyker. The psyker
doesn’t have to see the target or roll to hit. Units
inside transports and friendly units are not
affected. Determine cover saves and which
Armour Value facing is hit from the position of
the psyker.

Spirit Leech fits the bill for Shock Wave pretty much, which is why I think it will be a normal psychic power when 6th ed hits. But you're right in that it's not labeled as a psychic shooting attack in the leaked pdf.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Agreed, while this thread is about the 2nd wave, discussion about the rules implications of 6th Ed would get lost amongst the other discussions in that thread...

**Posit**

N.I.B. wrote:
My bad, looked at the Tyranid errata and saw that Hormagaunts has to chose between Fleet and Bounding Leap, and assumed it applied to Raveners too. But how do you know that Raveners have 7" move from Beasts and not 8" move from Fleet?

Do Raveners explicitly have fleet? I don't have the books in front of me, but I thought they only got that in 5th from being beasts. If they do have fleet explicitly in the Tyranid codex, they'd then have a 27" charge ([7"+2"] * 3).

**Vitruvian XVII**

Harry wrote:
Mirbeau wrote:
The 'walker' is rather large. Enough with that 8 kits stuff, you are going to upset the bug players, and they are a sensative bunch

There is no-where near that much coming next month, let alone in the foreseeable.

This is correct.

Stickmonkey wrote:
I meant what I meant.

8 total kits are done for nids. But not all 8 are on the schedule for next month. There will be some joy and some disappointment with the release, both in what is released and not, and how the released models look.

Early feb nids, late feb crons. Since it seems i was too cryptic on that...

One other thing, "Look at the size of that thing!"

No more from me til next month at the soonest...

Well in that case I may just pitch in.

I am not into my 40K as much as my fantasy so I do not always remember exactly what I heard (This is going back a good while) but from the names put forward in this thread I seem to remember something about a Harpy? Harpies? and a Tervigon.

Hastings has the Necrons covered.

**N.I.B.**

Posit wrote:
N.I.B. wrote:
Raveners are Beasts - They will have a move of 7", a run/cruise of 14", and thanks to bounding leap/gallop a charge range of 21". Exactly what the average range is now, with no ambiguity or threat of rolling low.

Do Raveners explicitly have fleet? I don't have the books in front of me, but I thought they only got that in 5th from being beasts.

I stand corrected.

**Vitruvian XVII**

The size refernce from stickmonkey has me excited, always love a good big bug!

**Absolutionis**

The Tervigon is the main model people are looking for, so if that's included, people will be happy. If the rumor of it being coupled with a Cerebore/Transportofex are true, even better. If the kit is coupled with the Exocrine/Tyrannofex/Shootbiggunofex, that's great too.
Considering the slight similarities between the Cerebore picture and the classic Exocrine in terms of body, this doesn't seem like too far of a stretch.

The Harpy isn't the best model rules-wise, but personally I'll be happy for yet another large Tyranid, a flying creature, and the inevitable bits that are included with the kit. I hope it won't be in any silly pose like the Zombie Dragon or the High Elf Dragon or the Cockatrice.

A superfluous Tyrant kit is inevitable as a finecost release. It'll probably come with no Wings.

**N.I.B.**

Personally I have no interest in a Harpy, because of it's rules.

And I don't think people want a Tervigon more than a T-fex. If they're like me they realized 2 years ago that you can't really play the new Nids without a Tervigon or two, so they have converted them already. But they couldn't be arsed to do the T-fexes too, so those are attractive to buy.

Btw don't forget that the rules for Beacon says

Deep striking units that are placed completely
within 6” of a beacon never counts as being in
critical range. They do not scatter and can be
placed in a lose formation.

Now I don't know if there's a definition in 6th ed of what 'completely within' means - does it refer to every model in a unit has to be within a 6" bubble with the whole of it's base, or is it enough if just a tiny part of the base is touching the 6" bubble? If it's the former, you can't really go crazy with the Lictor. On the other hand, Lictors are 1-3 so you can increase the bubble.

**Vitruvian XVII**

Im guessing within and completely within would be alla Warmachine atm.

Within if any part of base is touching the "zone" (including the very back of the base), completely within if every part of the base is within the zone.

Seems most probable imo.

**Davor**

Oh for the love of god. Where are the Tyranid 2nd wave rumours?

Like come one, make a thread in General if you want to talke about Tyranids and Leaded 6th edition. Hell I would even take part of it but not here.

Argh. Like really are we that dense?

**Vitruvian XVII**

Well there are some rumours, eg the post where i quoted Harry, just above.

**H.B.M.C.**

Absolutionis wrote:The Harpy isn't the best model rules-wise, but personally I'll be happy for yet another large Tyranid, a flying creature, and the inevitable bits that are included with the kit. I hope it won't be in any silly pose like the Zombie Dragon or the High Elf Dragon or the Cockatrice.

Just had this horrible thought... what if the Harpy model is in Finecost ala the Cockatrice and the Jabberslythe? *shudder*

**Vitruvian XVII**

A troubling possibilty indeed......

**-Loki-**

Considering that part of the rumours from last year was that stickmonkey has seen the plastic harpy, I don't think they're going to throw away an already tooled plastic mold.

**Kroothawk**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Just had this horrible thought... what if the Harpy model is in Finecost ala the Cockatrice and the Jabberslythe? *shudder*

Then they fit well with my current resin Tervigons, Tyrannofexes and Harpy, no problem

**LunaHound**

For what reason would they make Harpy in plastic?

its special character, hard to count as anything so people wont really buy multiple of it.
Its not exciting enough game wise that people convert it as much as Tervigon either...

No logical reason to be in plastic unless they introduce new unit + rule to go with it.

**pretre**

LunaHound wrote:For what reason would they make Harpy in plastic?

its special character, hard to count as anything so people wont really buy multiple of it.
Its not exciting enough game wise that people convert it as much as Tervigon either...

No logical reason to be in plastic unless they introduce new unit + rule to go with it.

Am I missing something? Harpies are fast attack, aren't they? Plus you could use it to make a Parasite or fancy winged tyrants...

**wyomingfox**

Per Stick Monkey's rumors, the Harpy is suppose to be the size of a rhino. Why would you want to make the parasite that big given TLOS?

**LunaHound**

pretre wrote:
LunaHound wrote:For what reason would they make Harpy in plastic?

its special character, hard to count as anything so people wont really buy multiple of it.
Its not exciting enough game wise that people convert it as much as Tervigon either...

No logical reason to be in plastic unless they introduce new unit + rule to go with it.

Am I missing something? Harpies are fast attack, aren't they? Plus you could use it to make a Parasite or fancy winged tyrants...

Hmm I'll double check, maybe I mixed the unit's name xD
1 per Fast choice, lack of gear customization,
Yes I think it makes more sense to be in finecash

**Andilus Greatsword**

LunaHound is thinking of the Parasite of Mortrex. The Harpy is like a flying Trygon, although more fragile and weaker.

**timd**

If the leaked 6th edition rules are any indication, the Harpy will have a flying ability and you will need 6s to hit it, making it much more viable in the game.

LunaHound wrote:For what reason would they make Harpy in plastic?

its special character, hard to count as anything so people wont really buy multiple of it.
Its not exciting enough game wise that people convert it as much as Tervigon either...

No logical reason to be in plastic unless they introduce new unit + rule to go with it.

**-Loki-**

LunaHound wrote:
pretre wrote:
LunaHound wrote:For what reason would they make Harpy in plastic?

its special character, hard to count as anything so people wont really buy multiple of it.
Its not exciting enough game wise that people convert it as much as Tervigon either...

No logical reason to be in plastic unless they introduce new unit + rule to go with it.

Am I missing something? Harpies are fast attack, aren't they? Plus you could use it to make a Parasite or fancy winged tyrants...

Hmm I'll double check, maybe I mixed the unit's name xD
1 per Fast choice, lack of gear customization,
Yes I think it makes more sense to be in finecash

That's the Parasite of Mortrex (though that's a HQ choice). The Harpy is a non-unique flying monstrous creature in the fast attack slot, with weapon options (twin linked Stranglethrone Cannons or twin linked Heavy Venom Cannons), option to replace default Stinger salvo with Cluster spines, and adrenal glands/toxin sacs/regeneration..It definitely deserves a plastic kit.

You got them well and truly mixed up.

**Absolutionis**

For what it's worth, I'll Copypasta Kroothawk's Copypasta from the other 2nd Wave Tyranid Thread.

NOTE THAT THIS IS ALL ANCIENT NEWS, but it may still be relevant.

12/14/2010 via Stickmonkey

Also, in other rumors, August is being banted about as Tyranid 2nd wave. To include:
Doom blister
Tyrannofex plastic with options to build as Tervigon - unreliable rumor as to the optional build, but I'm throwing it in
Harpy
Tyranid direct only lashwhip bonesword upgrade blister for warriors
"yrmgarll?" direct only genestealer blister...like flashgit model, one pose, direct only.

On the flyer front. Theres a rumor of a thunderbolt fighter in design for plastic...from the sound its very early, and if other rumors are true of a "flyer" WD supplemental release, it would not make that cut.

As always, my rumors are typically far off and subject to change. but so far ive got a better hit to miss ratio...hopefully GK wont ruin my record...

3/20/2011 via stickmonkey

There is a bit of speculation in this post so I'm putting in general and not rumors.

Lots of internal rumbling on a 2nd wave of tyranids. I don't have timelines, but expect it to hit before end of year, but after dark eldar releases complete that codex.

First, a new tyrant model is soon to debut. It has options for the swarm lord. It has some slight differences from the current metal, but is basically similar. I do think it stands between an inch or more higher, but not as tall as a trygon. I did not have an existing tyrant to compare. Wings are supposedly in the kit, but I did not see those.

Second, a harpy has been done, and will either be in this release or in the "summer of flyers"

Next for plastic kits the tervigon is finalized. IMO it does not exactly meet the image in the codex, but if you squint it's close. The model is nice and definitely fits the line.

This is where it gets fuzzy. The tyrranofex is not at all shaped or sized IMO like the tervigon model. I did not have them side by side to compare, but lot of Internet speculation these kits would be combined. I don't see it. Some pieces like legs might have dual use, but I didn't see sprue cuts to tell there. If they are one kit, it will surprise me.

No word on mycetic spores... Either way. I would place a bet they are also coming, but I don't know anything solid.

For metals,

There is a doom and parasite sculpted. They look as expected. Doom is fairly dynamic, parasite is a bit bigger than I thought and will likely use the larger skimmer base.

Also someone mentioned old one eye is getting a new sculpt, but I don't know how much faith I place in that one yet.

And a new yrgarll genestealer in metal...think flash gitz

That it for now.

Cheers.
(...)
Tyrant. Plastic.
Parasite. Vyper/wave serpent skimmer base, not flyer base.
Harpy. Flyer base. Harpy is about the size of a Valkyrie.

One thing I did not look closely at is the harpy/tyrant parts comparison. It's possible, though not probable, those might be a shared kit.

4/12/2011 via Brassangel

***UPDATE***

There will apparently be another wave of Tyranids coming soon, possibly a 3rd after that.

A Harpy is supposedly due with the "Summer of Flyers" 40k release, but that's not a part of the wave. This 2nd wave will either be in the fall or winter, and hopefully not pushed back any further. Think of how the Dark Eldar got some wave releases around and during the time of the new Grey Knights release, and expect this wave to be rather quiet alongside either the Tau or Necrons.

The models are said to be:

Tyrannofex/Tervigon (plastic kit - roughly US $50, like the Trygon)
Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord (plastic kit - roughly US $53, like the Dreadknight - if you've seen the size of the Swarmlord in Dawn of War 2: Retribution, you have the right idea...)
The Doom of Malan'tai (either metal, or that new resin/plastic hybrid we've been hearing about)
Special Edition Ymgarl Genestealer (1 mold only, Direct Order only)

Take with enough salt to season pasta water.

5/30/2011 via Blink

I have been sitting on some information for a week now about upcoming Tyranid models I've been forgetting to report on.

My contact who allowed me to successfully report Catalyst becoming a psychic power that gave Feel No Pain and the Tervigon's 3D6 spawning ability MONTHS before the release of the Tyranid codex has started talking with me again and has had a few things to report about Tyranid:

First of all, apparently some Tyranid second wave models had to be redone into Finecast so that put an even further delay on anticipated models.

Second, there is currently (well, as of last week) no concrete date set for the models to be released but a general timeframe will be late this summer and early fall.

Third, all the models are done, and many are painted and have had their photos taken for promotional usage, but the release of the models will be staggered among several second waves.

Fourth, the Harpy model has been done for a long LONG time, but apparently there is something that has been holding it back from being released (educated guess is that whole summer of fliers thing that might still happen).

Fifth, the Harpy's rules are looking at getting amended along with several other large flying non-vehicle models ala White Dwarf (who my contact is also affiliated with) some time in the future. These might just be optional rules or a preview of what's to come with 6th, but you never know; they could make White Dwarf useful again. That would be a good way to get people like me to resubscribe.

I think that was it.

As a Tyranid player myself, I HOPE the Harpy gets amended a bit, because I use 2 of them now and sink 340 points into basically 2 lascannon shots which don't hurt vehicles as easily. That is NOT a good investment and I'd like to see them become less of a liability in the army.
(...)
The fact that the models are done is somewhat old news anyway. They have been done for a while and other rumor providers have reported that part months ago.

I don't know why they're waiting so long to release them. If I were to take a stab at the logic, it's because Dark Eldar doesn't have as much staying power as Tyranid as far as the base of players go who will buy the models, so they needed to get the Dark Eldar stuff out quickly while the army was still hot (Dark Eldar hadn't been updated for a LONG time and customer response to the new book was better than most other books)... So Dark Eldar took the stage while Tyranid took the far back burner... GW doesn't like to release products too close to one another because of how we the customers work. GW needs to give us time to replenish our expendable income so we can buy more stuff from them. So with each Dark Eldar wave, Fantasy wave, and now that the Grey Knights came out, Tyranid have had a hard time trying to squeeze in their releases.
(...)
I don't think the Harpy was ever a metal model or had to be converted to Finecast.
(...)
but yes, the Tervigon/T-fex as a combined kit is currently expected.

Essentially, ignoring the timeframes:

- Plastic Harpy, about the size of Valkyrie
- Plastic Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit, looks nothing like the picture; $50USD
- Plastic Tyrant/Swarmlord, slightly bigger, $54USD
- Doom
- Parasite
- Really expensive single Ymgarl

**Kroothawk**

Absolutionis wrote:For what it's worth, I'll Copypasta Kroothawk's Copypasta from the other 2nd Wave Tyranid Thread.

You mean: Copypasted from page 1 of this thread?

(well except the blink quote, which I found a bit redundant)

**kenshin620**

Kroothawk wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:For what it's worth, I'll Copypasta Kroothawk's Copypasta from the other 2nd Wave Tyranid Thread.

You mean: Copypasted from page 1 of this thread?
(well except the blink quote, which I found a bit redundant)

Some people only care about whats going on in the last page, not the first

**Absolutionis**

I am shamed. :-(