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Does anyone know if GW released any numbers for their demographics? Like how much %-wise do kids ages 9-12 make of the sales vs the "way too old to be passionate about plastic toy soldiers but we are so stfu" crowd?

because if the latter group which i belong to really are THAT small of the sales-% then the marketing would make a lot more sense

Redaxe13 wrote:

Aerethan wrote:

Redaxe13 wrote:Just gotta say one thing here, GW minis are really not overpriced

This made me lol. $2.9 per model in plastic versus the $1.84 they were not even a year ago(Orc boys being the model used in this price example) and they didn't even resculpt the models.

And lets look at finecast. $49.50 for 3 fell bats! Are you joking?

GW minis are in so many ways overpriced. Even at my discount of 30% off they cost a pretty penny.

Find me equal quality models for a lower price. oh and that come with as many extra bits as GW models come with.

so bits are what we're paying $1.1 per model for? How about releasing bare bones kits at the old prices, and sell bits separately, because honestly I don't need any more spare heads and right arms.

^ Yep, Empire greatswords are worth £25 for 10 because they come with 20 different sword pieces, you can give them curvey swords or straight swords!

Wouldn't you so much rather pay an extra £1/model to get that kind of awesome customization and conversion potential?

I mean, you can give them big swords, or big swords! How cool is that? So much variety!

Bakerofish wrote:not a controversy but more like confusion to me

GW continues to target kids but if anything, the lore is anything BUT kid-friendly (Slaanesh? Chaos? I'm surprised there arent more GW-burning movements than Harry Potter ones)

Look at the old Daemonette, compare it with the new ones.
Seekers of Slaanesh
Look at Krullega of Dark Eldars
Dark Eldar Slave girls


etc etc, they are all being toned down.

The previous set(WFB 6th edition) daemonettes were easily the best out there. Hell even orcs don't have nipples anymore!

Fungus mammaries ;_;

There's still the dreaded Orc cheerleader...

I agree with the past posts about GW changing it's IP. I've been involved in GW products for about 2 and some change years now, and I can see the changes. I love picking up old books for RPGs or wargaming to see old stories and rule evolutions. AS aa result I have a couple 4th ed and 3rd ed codexes. Now, there are no more star vampires. There are no more heroic last stands or heroic charges to glory and death. Mysteries are being revealed by the truckload, undermining fan theories and speculation which is half the fun. A lot of the exotic aliens from Rogue Trader are never mentioned or cast aside, leaving the universe feeling very empty. The art style is softening.

Take the Rogue Trader cover:



It's not good art, but it's great inspiration. You get the feeling of their desperate last stand without being told what it is. Firing all directions, marines dieing, a head being waved in the air, marines piled in forming a wagon train of sorts.



On the other hand, doesn't give off a strong vibe. It's good art, but bad inspiration. There's no direction going on in the picture. No struggle. Just a dude. And a dude getting shot.

Necrons being the most recent codex to get an update got a radical overhaul to their fluff. They were emotionless and alien. Serving ancient gods who tricked them. Gods who wound up fighting each other, destroying their kind. To them, the galaxy was food for their pleasure.The army as a whole had personality.

The rewrite wound up like this:

Looks like the Deceiver..

( •_•)

( •_•)>⌐■-■

(⌐■_■)

...just got deceived.

And thus the Star Vampires became the pets. Necrons wanted to rule the galaxy... because. The new models failed to keep the vibe of Necrons to the point of little robots piloting their craft with their hands. In general, the necrons became a marketing decision, not a design decision. If you didn't like oldcrons, but you like the newcrons, then you probably still don't like necrons.

The fluff tends to be "we showed up here and kicked ass or got our ass kicked." There's a lessening of story being told. One of my favorite little pieces from the Space Marine 5th ed codex was the Iron Hands putting down a chaos rebellion, then killing every 3rd civilian to show them the penalty for chaos. It goes beyond the historic method of battle documentation that GW seems to have gotten into with it's 5th ed codexes.

TL; DR: I'm new to Warhammer and I think the old stuff was better.

If you are an adult and you are blasting this kid you really need to re-examine your life. He's a kid!

Imagine if he was going on about his favorite sports team in the same fashion, would you guys be as ignorant? Do you inform children that Santa Claus isn't real also? I know we are gamers but are we completely devoid of all social manners? this is how kids are, stop trying to crush his love of his hobby. Just becauseyour soul has been striped of all innocence, love and excitment by the chaos gods don't do the same to him. let him have innocence, one day he will realise the truth of GW.

I know I am skirting tule number one but sorry I have to take up for a kid when he is being blasted by people I presume to be adults for being a kid.

and congratulations to the people who aren't complete social outcasts and took up for the kid.

We wrote:
and congratulations to the people who aren't complete social outcasts and took up for the kid.

No.

Congratulations to people who aren't complete social outcasts and didn't even bother taking a side in this discussion.

Sorry this reply is late, had little internet access.
You said the word "Mistake" Did I say this? No. You deciding Ive said mistake is implying that I think his opinion is wrong. Which I dont, I disagree, but its his opinion etc etc.
It isnt brainwashing when Ive seen the same thing luna is talking about happening with children with toys such as LEGO, Bakugons, action figures Etc etc, it shows evidence to my theory that its just that at that age children arent that amazing with handling money. They dont know enough about the big wide world with taxes, being poor etc etc. Theyre just kids.

Also, how have I implyed the child is being attacked? I said that his video Is a poor piece of evidence to use for your theory

blood lance wrote:Theres one thing that everyone seems to be missing.
This video seems to have been made before the finecast release.

Why do you and kanluwen keep saying that? Am i seeing something wrong?

Pfft. Luna, everyone knows that time is relative! Therefore, your evidence holds no water.

Time is relative because its based on individual's perception, which itself is false!

Hence time is absolute xD