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daedalus wrote:Luna, you seem really bitter about stuff. Especially bitter about youtube videos, which are the internet-equivalent of scrawling a message on a bathroom wall in a pub.

Bitter......? Is that just assumption or biased talk against me?

Clear your mind about the video, and about me.

Lets start from a fresh state.

Would a child that:

1) has no sense on monetary worth but gets w/e bought by parents
2) is easily convinced
3) is easily influenced
4) is naive in situations

NOT MAKE THE PERFECT CUSTOMER FOR luxury goods? ^-^

Bakerofish wrote:@Lunahound
Not really. You have adults who would display the same behaviors all over this forum The "KID" isnt even an ideal customer because he doesnt have a credit card.

On dakka, we have made jokes on parents that leaves their child in GW as a cheap source of babysitting :'P
the child may not have credit card, but tons of parents are willing to spend that money to keep the child out of trouble, while being occupied, with sense of accomplishments.

Which in theory, could supposedly help the child develop to be a good person :3 (copy right, GW does not have the right to use this in their ads, even during stock meetings )

Why does this remind me of when Saddam was showing off the captured allied pilots and allowing them to confess their crimes on TV.

And of course this is the kind of customer every customer wants. The trick is that you usually have to earn customer loyalty to get zombies of this magnitude. I still don't know how GW gets people this brainwashed.

I stopped at better value for money...

Due to me being stubborn I didn't return any of my finecast...my other half's DE Lhamian broke when I touched it...how is that invincible?

And is oil not becoming more rare? Therefore will resin and plastic become MORE expensive? *sigh*

Thanks for the video LunaHound. I have another view point to think over.

Kanluwen wrote:

Harriticus wrote:GW probably has an Arbites Judge with a bolt pistol pointed at the kids head off camera. Hence the clear distress and confusion in his eyes.

Or the "clear distress and confusion in his eyes" is because it's a kid. Many kids aren't very good at doing what could be deemed as "public speaking".

Because I really thought there was an Adeptus Arbites Judge threatening him with a bolt pistol...

candy.man wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Yes that is kind of the point right?

The haters that are hating me for pointing this out takes it as a direct offense towards GW.

Yet anyone that sees beyond the hate also agrees with that concept itself.
Anyone agrees that its natural for a kid to display all that kind of behavior is exactly why they make the best choice of customers.

Am I right or am I right

/thread.

On a more off topic note, I’ve never understood this “us versus them” attitude that posters on Dakka tend to display sometimes. I suppose the only explanation is “this is the internetz”.

I.... cannot answer that either.

All I can tell you is, that is along the same line as religion, politic mentality.
A matter of difference in scale of course, but the mentality is the same.
Which the behavior itself is older than the internetz, it can even be said to be...

part of human trait.

Harriticus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Harriticus wrote:GW probably has an Arbites Judge with a bolt pistol pointed at the kids head off camera. Hence the clear distress and confusion in his eyes.

Or the "clear distress and confusion in his eyes" is because it's a kid. Many kids aren't very good at doing what could be deemed as "public speaking".

Because I really thought there was an Adeptus Arbites Judge threatening him with a bolt pistol...

I'm aware you didn't really think that, Harriticus.

It does not, however, change the fact that this is a kid doing public speaking. You can find kids his age, most likely, giving the same kind of speeches on anything from Call of Duty to Spongebob on Youtube.

I don't see the big deal about kids feeling attached enough to something to make a video about it. I view it as no different than the adults who post videos talking about their favorite TV shows, cellular phone companies, Airsoft guns, etc.

Kanluwen wrote:

Harriticus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Harriticus wrote:GW probably has an Arbites Judge with a bolt pistol pointed at the kids head off camera. Hence the clear distress and confusion in his eyes.

Or the "clear distress and confusion in his eyes" is because it's a kid. Many kids aren't very good at doing what could be deemed as "public speaking".

Because I really thought there was an Adeptus Arbites Judge threatening him with a bolt pistol...

I'm aware you didn't really think that, Harriticus.

It does not, however, change the fact that this is a kid doing public speaking. You can find kids his age, most likely, giving the same kind of speeches on anything from Call of Duty to Spongebob on Youtube.

I don't see the big deal about kids feeling attached enough to something to make a video about it. I view it as no different than the adults who post videos talking about their favorite TV shows, cellular phone companies, Airsoft guns, etc.

See kan, I was wondering why you are so offended it but then, I didnt expect you to completely miss the point of this thread....

Do not tunnel on the child's speech quality...
Rather, know why such child makes the best customer for GW...
Then connect the dots to see why GW do all the things they do now...

That was difficult to watch, and not just because he couldn't manage to say 'Citadel' right at the start. I like to think that every time he makes a nervous glance off to the left of screen, he's looking at the redshirt who has his mother at knife point. That's a joke Kan. You can relax your typing fingers.


Now I'm all for a good love-in if we're going to discuss the parts of GW's products and universes that we all share and enjoy together, and the parts that have inspired us and what impact it may or may not have had on our lives, the great victories, the crushing defeats, our favourite models, our least favourite models, and so on - but I won't be involved in a self-aggrandising circle jerk that wilfully ignores the major issues that Games Workshop has as a corporate entity, nor can I sit idly by whilst men in shiny white armour try to sweep these problems under the rug.

I'm not saying the kid was doing that mind you - I don't think he knows any better - but there are people here that always do that, and one of them has his banner out in full view in this thread. He knows who he is.

Which is more tiresome? A white knight, or a person who incessantly complains about a hobby toy company, on a site devoted to that hobby, inspired by that company?

Personally I think both sides should be allowed to have their innings, but both get repetitive and annoying and reinforce one another in a cycle of "I must counter this statement which I disagree with, no matter if either of us is expressing the same opinion we have previously expressed three hundred times in these exact same words, or two thousand in similar."

In reality, of course, every "white knight" on the site openly agrees that GW makes mistakes and some mystifying moves, and ever "hater" on the site actually loves something about the game/world/models which brings them here in the first place. Each of us has both compliments and criticisms for GW. The veteran arguers, it becomes obvious, adopt more extreme positions in response to one another.

Throughout the whole video, I did not once pay attention to how he talked, how he looked.
All I paid attention to was the things he said... the ideals he believed in.

Then it hit me, out of all the things he said, same words and ideas have being posted in dakka
over and over again in the past, and present, and most likely future.

We know it, we read it, it has happened numerous times.

Im not going to debate who, or the age of those posted, because its pointless.
Because Im sure GW is strategically after children, that certain younger age group.

Ones that will buy into all that GW feed them.

Am I going to complain about it? honestly? No I wont.
Haters dont believe me? I'll tell you why.

The children, no matter how naive or innocent, or how they spend those money, are the main contributors that keep GW business up.

For aslong as I still have anything to do with GW, I will not criticize those customers that helps ( with their wallet )

So those haters that thinks this thread is about making fun of the boy? NOPE

Did that kid really say Finecast is Indestructible.

Can be bent and then just goes back into it original shape.

It can be thrown at a wall and not break

Why are we not building everything out of this stuff it sounds wonderful.

Seriously though, there's going to be some sad kids with broken models who watch and believe his post.

Stopped about 10-20 seconds in, kid is obviously reading what he's saying.

But I'd have to agree if he means it, it is somewhat a success story due to people like him being their target.

He looks about eleven years old. I know if I met my eleven year old self today i wouldn't agree with him on much.

Give him a break?

LunaHound wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:What... the...

There's a hell. Even as someone who doesn't really strongly hate or like GW, this is ridiculous.

Then again, to be fair, he is a kid. It's obvious that he's just re-iterating whatever some pro-GW white knight has told him.

Im not criticizing the boy at all. After all, I call that a "success story of GW" if anything.

Its not about liking or disliking GW either, its what it really looks like the path GW is taking with picking their new customers.

So what your saying is that GW selects it's new customers the same way cults select their victims?


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Mannahnin wrote:Which is more tiresome? A white knight, or a person who incessantly complains about a hobby toy company, on a site devoted to that hobby, inspired by that company?

The white knight.

Tresson wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:What... the...

There's a hell. Even as someone who doesn't really strongly hate or like GW, this is ridiculous.

Then again, to be fair, he is a kid. It's obvious that he's just re-iterating whatever some pro-GW white knight has told him.

Im not criticizing the boy at all. After all, I call that a "success story of GW" if anything.

Its not about liking or disliking GW either, its what it really looks like the path GW is taking with picking their new customers.

So what your saying is that GW selects it's new customers the same way cults select their victims?

GW is the new Scientology. Matt Ward = L. Ron Hubbard? Actually that would be giving credit to matt ward for creating GW, and we can't have that.

Tresson wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Which is more tiresome? A white knight, or a person who incessantly complains about a hobby toy company, on a site devoted to that hobby, inspired by that company?

The white knight.

Agreed, they seemingly can't help but fuel the complainers... actually they fuel each other in a cycle of rage and disdain.

curran12 wrote:

Surtur wrote:It's like he just read the finecast release GW put on their website word for word. Someone get that kid some basic math and think-for-yourselfidness.

To play this angle, aren't you essentially demanding that he agree with you? Not so much think-for-yourselfedness, and more like think-out-way-itness.

Reading near verbatim what GW put out is thinking for yourself? It wasn't an opinion piece. He was basically reading an advertisement.

If GW supporters are white knights, can the "haters" be called black knights from now on? That sounds way cooler.

are they really haters though? they like the IP, they like the game...just not the company

not like the anti-PP guys who hate everything from the word go.

Feeding on the naivety of children:
Promoting industry since 1790.

Bakerofish wrote:are they really haters though? they like the IP, they like the game...just not the company

That's just it. I really like 40K, and a bunch of other games GW makes. And their miniatures. And their artwork ('cept for John Blanche's scribble-art). And their fluff (aside from many of the Ward-related items). But I'm not going to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend all is right and justified with GW - the company - and their actions towards their customer base.

How anyone can call me a hater is just laughable, given how much time and money I invest in this. I'm just not blind(ed by shiny white armour).

and on that note I like John Blanche's artwork and would argue that if he wasnt around GW's aesthetics would be very different

I can't see the video at work, any chance of a key word/title so I can search for it via youtube on my phone?

He's just repeating what hesbeen told and read. Finecast figured aren't magically more detailed and the bit about it being cheap (in the long run) is woeful, prepare to be disappointed!

Kids tend to show unquestioning loyalty to things because they are still developing critical faculties and still believe what adults tell them. For example, does he really think they are industructible and you can throw them on the floor? As for the prices? He's 10, he's not paying for them.

You can't pick on the kid for this, it's what kids do. Give it a few years and he'll find girls and other things and most likely give up GW.

Obviously he's the ideal customer because he trustingly accepts and parrots back all the company says and has stuff bought for him by parents.

The only question is how many of GW's customers are the same? This is the point that Kanuwlen seems to have missed, because when I first when to GW kids were an uncommon sight, it's mostly kids now.

KoganStyle wrote:I can't see the video at work, any chance of a key word/title so I can search for it via youtube on my phone?

It's called "citadel finecast by chaosdemon11129"

It's quite weird to watch, a very brainwashed kid who is ripe for GW to manipulate with their propaganda.

can we not use the term "brainwashed" in the discussion?

the kid is obviously impressionable but nothing more sinister than that.

Howard A Treesong wrote:
The only question is how many of GW's customers are the same? This is the point that Kanuwlen seems to have missed, because when I first when to GW kids were an uncommon sight, it's mostly kids now.

Loads and loads it appears. I remember one of the last times I went into my local GW (at the time of Failcast's release) and I truly had to grit my teeth and when a bunch of naive kids with the parents in tow went over the the Failcast section and were gushing over it due to GW's spiel they'd read on the company's website.

Thing is, they truly do not know that there is a critical fail with this product in so many areas. Only last week I saw a kid with a Necron army up at my local club with the same much maligned Necron Lord model from the other thread, the guy's staff was bent like some kind of banana/boomerang/something but the kid was obviously not bothered by it as he had not straightened it out.

Thing is, the kid from the video may grow up to be one of GW's white knights. We have a couple round here and they're in their thirties... So, yeah.

This video leaves me kinda sad...

Thanks Grimtuff!

Poor kid, but he is just a glaring 'wargaming' example of how marketing is affecting people nowadays. Is there really any difference between this kid and people who start drooling at the merest mention of an Apple product? They all preach the benefits of there chosen product regardless of what 'haters' might think, even when there are valid points to be made e.g 1st Gen Apple products are always buggy, why would you queue for 16 hrs to get one!?!

The problem with White Knights is that their visor slit is always too narrow.