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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, that proves the Marvel creative staff failed science
Seriously, he's called magneto, which would imply he uses magnetism, and as such has no power against non-magnetic substances.
The fact that he can use magnetism to control non-magnetic substances kinda makes his name a misnomer.

Yes, that is how all supernames come about. Spiderman is obviously not a spider and Iron Man wears a suit.of Gold and Titanium alloy.

Deadshot wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, that proves the Marvel creative staff failed science
Seriously, he's called magneto, which would imply he uses magnetism, and as such has no power against non-magnetic substances.
The fact that he can use magnetism to control non-magnetic substances kinda makes his name a misnomer.

Yes, that is how all supernames come about. Spiderman is obviously not a spider and Iron Man wears a suit.of Gold and Titanium alloy.

Well, Spiderman is basically a human-spider hybrid, so he's fine.
Ironman sounds cooler than GoldTitMan...and wasn't the ironman suit iron to begin with?

@Cthululs Spy. He has 'evolved'..... The level of power creep in MU would make the most rabid of 40K writers blush. When Magneto started it was just simple magnetic fields and magnetic metals. And rapidly went downhill from there.

@Hazardous Harry. I have no idea, but looking at the baseline, when you have one person who can manipulate metals (apparently including the non-magnetic ones) and then you have an item described consistently as metal, the logical conclusion is that he can affect it. A better arguement for your side is to see if he can affect phased objects, eg any story involving Kitty Pryde?

Cheers

Andrew

Hazardous Harry wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:He told you to go to the marvel character database. Marvel.com, if you can't find it yourself.

You mean this? http://marvel.com/universe/Magneto_(Max_Eisenhardt)
Was that really so hard?

And is the sword made of metal? Magneto has trained himself to be able to manipulate ANY metal now, not just magnetic ones.

I've read through the entry, nowhere does it say he that. I might be wrong, but I'll need to see where you're getting this from.

Seeing how I'm at work and don't have the entry memorized, yes it was more effort than I wanted to put in for you. And read a comic or two where magneto is captured-he is kept in plastic jails to prevent him from manipulating metal. Do you believe all metals used in the marvel universe are magnetic? No. Yet Magneto can manipulate them anyway. His abilities shown in comics plus a degree of common sense are needed. Marvel is a wiki-the information in there is what people edit in. Details can be left out.

Hold on, if Magneto can manipulate all metals...then why is Stark still alive? Shouldn't he be a pancake by now?

AndrewC wrote:
@Hazardous Harry. I have no idea, but looking at the baseline, when you have one person who can manipulate metals (apparently including the non-magnetic ones) and then you have an item described consistently as metal, the logical conclusion is that he can affect it. A better arguement for your side is to see if he can affect phased objects, eg any story involving Kitty Pryde?

Well my argument is based more on the fact that he would never see the attack coming in the first place. And all I can find on him and Kitty Pryde is that he apparently saved her from that 'Space Bullet', though I would imagine that was by affecting the bullet rather than Pryde herself.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ironman sounds cooler than GoldTitMan...and wasn't the ironman suit iron to begin with?

Actually, GoldTitMan has a pretty nice ring to it. It might catch on.

He should. I do not recall him ever fighting Magneto though.

He is capable of using all energy forms, he is capable of holding people by the iron content in blood alone.

Magneto expects to be the target of assassins at all time, It is simply how he thinks, he is public emery number 1 and has been since the 60's. You have yet covered how a mere human gets close enough?

If you are not a mutant you do not get that close and if you are not someone he has trusted for decades you never , ever get him unaware.

He knows they are coming. Do you really think he does not expect assassins?


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Hold on, if Magneto can manipulate all metals...then why is Stark still alive? Shouldn't he be a pancake by now?

Honestly as magneto does not kill all that much and tends to hold himself in check. The one time he did not, someone got their skeleton ripped out though the pores of their skin. Magneto is a plotter ,a thinker with a cause. He is capable of great acts of violence, but there is always a point to it. Also Stark is not that stupid.


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ironman sounds cooler than GoldTitMan...and wasn't the ironman suit iron to begin with?

Yes it was. The first two if I recall.

Hunterindarkness wrote:He is capable of using all energy forms, he is capable of holding people by the iron content in blood alone.

Magneto expects to be the target of assassins at all time, It is simply how he thinks, he is public emery number 1 and has been since the 60's. You have yet covered how a mere human gets close enough?

If you are not a mutant you do not get that close and if you are not someone he has trusted for decades you never , ever get him unaware.

He knows they are coming. Do you really think he does not expect assassins?


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Hold on, if Magneto can manipulate all metals...then why is Stark still alive? Shouldn't he be a pancake by now?

Honestly as magneto does not kill all that much and tends to hold himself in check. The one time he did not, someone got their skeleton ripped out though the pores of their skin. Magneto is a plotter ,a thinker with a cause. He is capable of great acts of violence, but there is always a point to it.

This. Magneto strikes back when provoked. He tried to distance himself peacefully from earth and humanity many times, and humans always launched the attack and he defended. As for keeping himself in check, see the 'Joseph' storyline for what happens if he lets himself use his powers at full strength without the fail safes he created in himself. Around issue #370 I believe. Have the full story, don't remember exact issues.

Hunterindarkness wrote:He is capable of using all energy forms, he is capable of holding people by the iron content in blood alone.

Magneto expects to be the target of assassins at all time, It is simply how he thinks, he is public emery number 1 and has been since the 60's. You have yet covered how a mere human gets close enough?

If you are not a mutant you do not get that close and if you are not someone he has trusted for decades you never , ever get him unaware.

He knows they are coming. Do you really think he does not expect assassins?

I bolded where you went wrong. The assassins of the inquisition are not mere humans. They have been so heavily modified and conditioned that they are now little more than killing machines. Yes, he will expect assassins...but he will not expect these sort of assassins. These are assassins that are sent after farseers and sorcerers, both of which are arguably much more dangerous than magneto. They are designed to hunt things like him. And if he kills one, so what? There are many more.

Ok,

Callidus Assassins - Basically Mystique...except there are many of them, and they come with weapons that can penetrate all forms of defenses.
Vindicare Assassin - Marksmen that could probably impress even Bullseye and Hawkeye, who seldom miss his targets. Oh, and there more of them than both of them
Culexus Assassin -....ok, he's probably useless, unless he somehow works against marvel sorcerers. Which I doubt.
Exescor - Insane. Basically Deadpool, but without the charm. And they explode upon death, and they are a lot more dangerous. Oh, and there are a bunch of them.

But they are Human. Mags never allows humans to get into his inner circle. and besides the mutants he normally battles..yes they are simply mere humans in power. That is the Issue, harry keeps saying it gets close to him...how? In combat that is not gonna happen, ever. He tends to hover 50 to 100 feet off the ground in a force field you can't get though.

Thats what i am getting at, they would have to kill him bare hands and honestly they are never getting that close.

Poison could work, in theory though( I can't think of any 40k ones that are worse then the big ugly's from MU however). But standard IoM assassination..no.


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Callidus Assassins - Basically Mystique...except there are many of them, and they come with weapons that can penetrate all forms of defenses.
Vindicare Assassin - Marksmen that could probably impress even Bullseye and Hawkeye, who seldom miss his targets. Oh, and there more of them than both of them
Culexus Assassin -....ok, he's probably useless, unless he somehow works against marvel sorcerers. Which I doubt.
Exescor - Insane. Basically Deadpool, but without the charm. And they explode upon death, and they are a lot more dangerous. Oh, and there are a bunch of them.

!If they use a manufactured weapon they fail. There is no question to this. They simply do not have the power.

Mangneto is like attacking the God-Empoer x 10 man. He is that smart and yes that powerful. He can freaking knock the earth off its axis if he so chose to do so.

40K is simply out classed here.

Hunterindarkness wrote:But they are Human. Mags never allows humans to get into his inner circle. and besides the mutants he normally battles..yes they are simply mere humans in power. That is the Issue, harry keeps saying it gets close to him...how?

By posing as someone whom he has trusted for decades. You need to read up on Callidus Assassins and what they're capable of.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Callidus_Temple#.T6ocouvOyeY

Poison could work, in theory though( I can't think of any 40k ones that are worse then the big ugly's from MU however). But standard IoM assassination..no.

If anyone was going to use poison it would be a Callidus Assassin. The other Assassinorum Operatives tend to be less subtle.

Hunterindarkness wrote:But they are Human. Mags never allows humans to get into his inner circle. and besides the mutants he normally battles..yes they are simply mere humans in power. That is the Issue, harry keeps saying it gets close to him...how? In combat that is not gonna happen, ever. He tends to hover 50 to 100 feet off the ground in a force field you can't get though.

Thats what i am getting at, they would have to kill him bare hands and honestly they are never getting that close.

Poison could work, in theory though( I can't think of any 40k ones that are worse then the big ugly's from MU however). But standard IoM assassination..no.


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Callidus Assassins - Basically Mystique...except there are many of them, and they come with weapons that can penetrate all forms of defenses.
Vindicare Assassin - Marksmen that could probably impress even Bullseye and Hawkeye, who seldom miss his targets. Oh, and there more of them than both of them
Culexus Assassin -....ok, he's probably useless, unless he somehow works against marvel sorcerers. Which I doubt.
Exescor - Insane. Basically Deadpool, but without the charm. And they explode upon death, and they are a lot more dangerous. Oh, and there are a bunch of them.

!If they use a manufactured weapon they fail. There is no question to this. They simply do not have the power.

So no one around magneto carries weapons then? What about all of the electrical equipment that surrounds him?



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Hunterindarkness wrote:
He can freaking knock the earth off its axis if he so chose to do so.

I think I remember that one, actually.
Where was it from...Cry for Justice wasn't it?
By the gods, that was a stupid comic.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

By posing as someone whom he has trusted for decades. You need to read up on Callidus Assassins and what they're capable of.

Yes I know how they work. I also Know the target and MU much better then you , that is clear.


It has been tried. It never works.If You think he fully trusts mystique then you are very,very mistaken.

Hunterindarkness wrote:
Callidus Assassins - Basically Mystique...except there are many of them, and they come with weapons that can penetrate all forms of defenses.
Vindicare Assassin - Marksmen that could probably impress even Bullseye and Hawkeye, who seldom miss his targets. Oh, and there more of them than both of them
Culexus Assassin -....ok, he's probably useless, unless he somehow works against marvel sorcerers. Which I doubt.
Exescor - Insane. Basically Deadpool, but without the charm. And they explode upon death, and they are a lot more dangerous. Oh, and there are a bunch of them.

!If they use a manufactured weapon they fail. There is no question to this. They simply do not have the power.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So no one around magneto carries weapons then? What about all of the electrical equipment that surrounds him?

They have no need for feeble weapons no. And often of his design anyhow what does that have to do with trying to kill him. Electricity won't do it.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think I remember that one, actually.
Where was it from...Cry for Justice wasn't it?
By the gods, that was a stupid comic.

Hell if I know at this point man. I have not been a heavy reader since..01 or 02 and I honestly am not gonna dig though a few thousand old comics in storage to find out.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

By posing as someone whom he has trusted for decades. You need to read up on Callidus Assassins and what they're capable of.

Yes I know how they work. I also Know the target and MU much better then you , that is clear.


It has been tried. It never works.If You think he fully trusts mystique then you are very,very mistaken.

The Callidus could be literally anyone. His daughter, his son. Hell, even his grandchild. Magneto is going to let his guard down sooner or later, even if it's only for any instant. Callidus Assassins have killed targets that would considered far more secure, and far more paranoid, than Magneto.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

He's more powerful than the God-Emperor? The same God-Emperor that keeps the daemonic hordes at bay? You might be getting a little bit OTT here.

And this is the statement that clearly tells me you both do not understand the MU but choose to not understand. Yes Mags is more powerful the the GE, by a few levels. a good bit smarter as well based off the 40k fluff I have read. And someone like Apocalypse make the God-Empower look like an untrained child. I mean the GE was a powerful psychic and all, but not even close in power to MU's true big boys

I am not Joking there man. I keep trying to tell you that MU and 40k do not work on the same power scale.


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Hazardous Harry wrote:

The Callidus could be literally anyone. His daughter, his son. Hell, even his grandchild. Magneto is going to let his guard down sooner or later, even if it's only for any instant. Callidus Assassins have killed targets that would considered far more secure, and far more paranoid, than Magneto.

Possible, but as I said. It has been tried I think about 900 times now. Ok really about 40. And No they have never faced a target more " secure" or more powerfu.l Hell they couldn't even take out the night Haunter until he let em. And he had no where the power of a MU heavy hitter.

Magneto trusts nobody to that level. He trusted one man to this level, and it almost killed him-Fabian Cortez. He won't EVER make that mistake again. It really shows when people on this thread don't know the MU well-they're the ones railing against it. If magneto doesn't do something disasterous/deadly, it's because he chooses not to. He's one of the most powerful mutants on the planet. And does the emperor of man wear armor? Yes? Ok, Mags just killed him. Oooo, psychic abilities will stop him-nope, that's what the helmet is for. One on one, Magneto would destroy the Emperor. The fight would last as long as it would take Magneto to blink. If he could kill the emperor, do you really think the rest of the imperium has a shot?

Magneto has no relatives I know of. And besides, his right hand (wo)man is a shape shifter. He could probably tell the difference.

And for someone to get.close enough to assassinate Magneto, they would need to be part of his inner circle. That means the IOM would need to plan this decades in advance for enough people of his inner circle to die. As Marvel knows what's coming, Magneto would have caught on to.this randomder who has no superpower just suddenly joins his ring.

Deadshot wrote:Magneto has no relatives I know of. And besides, his right hand (wo)man is a shape shifter. He could probably tell the difference.

And for someone to get.close enough to assassinate Magneto, they would need to be part of his inner circle. That means the IOM would need to plan this decades in advance for enough people of his inner circle to die. As Marvel knows what's coming, Magneto would have caught on to.this randomder who has no superpower just suddenly joins his ring.

Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and Polaris say hi. He has three relatives. Polaris depending what author you're listening to at the time.

Deadshot wrote:Magneto has no relatives I know of. And besides, his right hand (wo)man is a shape shifter. He could probably tell the difference.

He has two, Scarlet witch and Quick silver. He does not trust them all that much.


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timetowaste85 wrote:Magneto trusts nobody to that level. He trusted one man to this level, and it almost killed him-Fabian Cortez. He won't EVER make that mistake again. It really shows when people on this thread don't know the MU well-they're the ones railing against it. If magneto doesn't do something disasterous/deadly, it's because he chooses not to. He's one of the most powerful mutants on the planet. And does the emperor of man wear armor? Yes? Ok, Mags just killed him. Oooo, psychic abilities will stop him-nope, that's what the helmet is for. One on one, Magneto would destroy the Emperor. The fight would last as long as it would take Magneto to blink. If he could kill the emperor, do you really think the rest of the imperium has a shot?

Total agreement. I can see very easily who does not understand MU at all in this thread.

I'm actually starting to wonder if those who are rallying against the MU can officially be labeled as trolls in this thread? They obviously haven't got a clue, and keep arguing to just see their own words. It's getting boring and rather pathetic. I feel like I'm arguing with children here-and I feel like I'll look like an idiot eventually for doing so.

And there are Xmen characters more powerful than him. In Xmen 3 ( and yes films are as canon as BL

Mutant women talking showing her power to Magneto wrote:I also knowing no one in here is above a class 3, except for you.

At that point she indicates Magneto. For those that don't know in Xmen, mutants are categorised. Class 1 is for really simple, nonthreatening powers like being able to turn a TV on by blinking. Class 2 would be something like enhanced intelligence or Xray vision. Class 3 is where the real stuff like superspeed and flying kick in. Class 4 is for the powerful ones and Class 5 literally wrecks face. By this we can determine Magneto is either 4 or 5 but then we find this in the same film.

Charles Xavier AKA Professor X wrote: Jean is the only class 5 mutant I have ever met

So therefore Magneto is class 4.

I am getting to the point where I am seeing little reason to respond myself. I mean I know this is a 40k site, but sometimes you are out classed and out gunned.


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Deadshot wrote:And there are Xmen characters more powerful than him. In Xmen 3 ( and yes films are as canon as BL

They may be canon, but the movie versions are so damned weak vs the 616 MU versions. Easily 10 or 12 times weaker.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Magneto has no relatives I know of. And besides, his right hand (wo)man is a shape shifter. He could probably tell the difference.

He has two, Scarlet witch and Quick silver. He does not trust them all that much.

He has embraced Scarlet witch in the past. That doesn't mean he fully lets his guard down in her presence, but she would definitely provide the opportunity that the Callidus Assassin would need.

timetowaste85 wrote:Magneto trusts nobody to that level. He trusted one man to this level, and it almost killed him-Fabian Cortez. He won't EVER make that mistake again. It really shows when people on this thread don't know the MU well-they're the ones railing against it. If magneto doesn't do something disasterous/deadly, it's because he chooses not to. He's one of the most powerful mutants on the planet. And does the emperor of man wear armor? Yes? Ok, Mags just killed him. Oooo, psychic abilities will stop him-nope, that's what the helmet is for. One on one, Magneto would destroy the Emperor. The fight would last as long as it would take Magneto to blink. If he could kill the emperor, do you really think the rest of the imperium has a shot?

Total agreement. I can see very easily who does not understand MU at all in this thread.

Actually, it's not clear whether Psyker powers are the same as Xavier's psychic abilities. If they are then he would surely be very vulnerable to daemonic possession. And if being made proof against psyker powers were so easy (it's not, how will a helmet prevent a psyker making his body explode from the inside out?) then the Inquisition would have come up with a similar sort of protection as well.

Magneto has been classified as a class 4 in the comics before, along with Iceman. I just don't remember what issue. Iceman would be a bad-arse addition to this war-he can't be killed (he'll reform over time-see Age of Apocalypse) and can literally freeze the blood of his victims, among other things. If he ever became a villain...watch out. A lot of people would die.

Hunterindarkness wrote:

Hazardous Harry wrote:

He's more powerful than the God-Emperor? The same God-Emperor that keeps the daemonic hordes at bay? You might be getting a little bit OTT here.

And this is the statement that clearly tells me you both do not understand the MU but choose to not understand. Yes Mags is more powerful the the GE, by a few levels. a good bit smarter as well based off the 40k fluff I have read. And someone like Apocalypse make the God-Empower look like an untrained child. I mean the GE was a powerful psychic and all, but not even close in power to MU's true big boys

I am not Joking there man. I keep trying to tell you that MU and 40k do not work on the same power scale.

I realise you're not joking. I also realise that you've made this assertion on really shaky grounds. Even if Magneto was fully capable of destroying an entire IN fleet as soon as it entered the solar system, this doesn't put him on the same level as either the Emperor or the Chaos Gods.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

The Callidus could be literally anyone. His daughter, his son. Hell, even his grandchild. Magneto is going to let his guard down sooner or later, even if it's only for any instant. Callidus Assassins have killed targets that would considered far more secure, and far more paranoid, than Magneto.

Possible, but as I said. It has been tried I think about 900 times now. Ok really about 40. And No they have never faced a target more " secure" or more powerfu.l Hell they couldn't even take out the night Haunter until he let em. And he had no where the power of a MU heavy hitter.

Really? People have impersonated his daughter and then stabbed him in the face with a weapon that can cut reality?

As the prof can effect Evey mind on earth it is a mote point. Pykers are not in the same league.

And last I checked you don't hug with weapons, he could have felt them. You are not getting him with assassins of that power level man. They are out of their league on him.

What in the name of the Goddess can they honestly do? His powers work at the speed of thought and every since Cortez he NEVER lets his guard down, that man was closer to him then his own children.

You are simply refusing to except that some things can't be done they way you think they can. Assassins will not work on him. Hell they couldn't even kill weak ass Night Haunter.


Explain that? How can they take out someone with god like power when they can't take out a weak emperor knock off?


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Hazardous Harry wrote:
Even if Magneto was fully capable of destroying an entire IN fleet as soon as it entered the solar system, this doesn't put him on the same level as either the Emperor

Ok you are trolling at this point man. The God Emperor could not pull that feat off in his wildest dreams.

I am not gonna respond to anything else you post in this thread as you are not even arguing canon facts at this point, but are in the realm of pure fanboi land.




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timetowaste85 wrote:Magneto has been classified as a class 4 in the comics before, along with Iceman. I just don't remember what issue. Iceman would be a bad-arse addition to this war-he can't be killed (he'll reform over time-see Age of Apocalypse) and can literally freeze the blood of his victims, among other things. If he ever became a villain...watch out. A lot of people would die.

I agree, I am not saying the class was wrong. Only that movie versions are way weak. Ice man is a pure beas, he does that in the current time line now as well. And AoA was the beast story arc xmen ever did if you ask me. Pure fantastic.

Hunterindarkness wrote:As the prof can effect Evey mind on earth it is a mote point. Pykers are not in the same league.

And last I checked you don't hug with weapons, he could have felt them. You are not getting him with assassins of that power level man. They are out of their league on him.

Really? You don't see anything that might constitute a perfect opportunity there?

What in the name of the Goddess can they honestly do? His powers work at the speed of thought and every since Cortez he NEVER lets his guard down, that man was closer to him then his own children.

How much of an opening do you think a Superhuman like a Callidus would need? Next to nothing. One moment Magneto will be talking to the Scarlet Witch about his great plans for mutantkind and the next moment he'll have a C'tan Phase Sword shoved hilt-deep into his skull. Exactly what is stopping that from happening?

You are simply refusing to except that some things can't be done they way you think they can. Assassins will not work on him. Hell they couldn't even kill weak ass Night Haunter.

And you are simply refusing to accept that Magneto might ever be killed. If the X-men can take him down, without the element of surprise, a Callidus Assassin is going to have a really good chance at it.

Explain that? How can they take out someone with god like power when they can't take out a weak emperor knock off?

Surprise.