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Yeah, it's kind of a goofy step backwards. Just let me pay you $20 for an overpriced ebook, GW! It's not hard! This stuff winds up being pirated anyways, so you might as well make the official option easy.

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Seriously that is why Itunes succeeded, it made it easier to pay for it legally than to pirate it. GW is like no, we make it harder to buy legally and punish you for not paying!
   
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But did you ever buy any of GW's digital editions? They really were terrible. The one I bought I ended up converting to a Word file and spending a couple of hours reformatting it because it was so utterly terrible that it'd slow games down in the form they provided.
   
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 TheWaspinator wrote:
Just let me pay you $20 for an overpriced ebook, GW! It's not hard! This stuff winds up being pirated anyways, so you might as well make the official option easy.

Well, either they're being pirated that much it's not worth it for GW to release them anymore, or they're doubling down on their app...


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
But did you ever buy any of GW's digital editions?

Yes and I've never had any issues with them. Were you using one of their recommended readers?

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beast_gts wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
But did you ever buy any of GW's digital editions?

Yes and I've never had any issues with them. Were you using one of their recommended readers?
Yeah, also tried several other readers, they all had pros and cons.

The main problem was how GW setup the pages, it would be perfectly fine for a novel but for a book of rules it was annoying. Where in the physical book a particular set of rules (for a unit for example) would be contained on one page, in the digital version it'd be broken up across multiple pages meaning you couldn't just see all the rules for a unit at a glance. You might have had a single unit's rules across 2 or 3 pages, meaning a whole heap of flicking back and forth, was worse than the physical book equivalent. There were links but they didn't help much with the annoyance of it all.

It's like they formatted it for a tiny mini reader or maybe even a large phone and it didn't work well on a regular sized tablet.

Maybe GW improved them, the codex I got was a few years ago now. It was slightly cheaper than a physical book but a massive downgrade.

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On topic, about the app:
Since getting the 9th Ed Codexes on there requires a code found only in the printed books, and it's the official digital version of those rules, would the app count as a valid rule source?

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 Blndmage wrote:
On topic, about the app:
Since getting the 9th Ed Codexes on there requires a code found only in the printed books, and it's the official digital version of those rules, would the app count as a valid rule source?

Check with the TO - it's an official source, but it's not a full codex or the easiest thing to navigate...
   
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Good luck getting the app to work when your opponent demands to see the rule you are citing and you're on the clock.
   
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Right behind you.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Good luck getting the app to work when your opponent demands to see the rule you are citing and you're on the clock.

The same can be said for literally any digital mechanism, what's your point?
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Good luck getting the app to work when your opponent demands to see the rule you are citing and you're on the clock.

The same can be said for literally any digital mechanism, what's your point?


I can't tell if you are serious or not. The entire thread is about the reasons why or why not people should be allowed to take paper copies of rules to events/tournaments, because it erodes trust in the legitimacy of the rules. If you are having a match where you are on a clock system, and you have an extremely limited window to make your turn, I will call you on every rule you play if you are using the APP, because I know that it will take you entire minutes to bring up the rule as proof on the app. Whereas if you have a book, or even a digital codex, you can flip right to the appropriate page. The App is notoriously bad at quick rule skimming. This has happened in several events, and it's cost people games, because rule disputes are handled in the moment, unless you can get a TO to come and micro manage your table, you are stuck trying to show proof of the rule on your time. The app is crash happy, it's hard to navigate, and it doesn't have a search function. Try right now to time yourself: it would be faster to find the shooting distance of my Telemon's guns on google, than by searching the app.
   
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Right behind you.

Whatever. It's quite obvious you'd be a real treat to ignore playing.

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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This has happened in several events, and it's cost people games
Have you got a source / link for this?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
you are stuck trying to show proof of the rule on your time.
If your opponent wants to check something surly either give them your tablet or pause the clock?

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The app is crash happy, it's hard to navigate, and it doesn't have a search function.
It does have a search function - what it doesn't have is a good way to browse a codex.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Good luck getting the app to work when your opponent demands to see the rule you are citing and you're on the clock.

The same can be said for literally any digital mechanism, what's your point?


I can't tell if you are serious or not. The entire thread is about the reasons why or why not people should be allowed to take paper copies of rules to events/tournaments, because it erodes trust in the legitimacy of the rules. If you are having a match where you are on a clock system, and you have an extremely limited window to make your turn, I will call you on every rule you play if you are using the APP, because I know that it will take you entire minutes to bring up the rule as proof on the app. Whereas if you have a book, or even a digital codex, you can flip right to the appropriate page. The App is notoriously bad at quick rule skimming. This has happened in several events, and it's cost people games, because rule disputes are handled in the moment, unless you can get a TO to come and micro manage your table, you are stuck trying to show proof of the rule on your time. The app is crash happy, it's hard to navigate, and it doesn't have a search function. Try right now to time yourself: it would be faster to find the shooting distance of my Telemon's guns on google, than by searching the app.


I take it you don't play in events with sportsmanship/opponent scores.. Jesus wept

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 Pacific wrote:
I take it you don't play in events with sportsmanship/opponent scores.. Jesus wept

I'd be inclined to issue the match loss regardless if I saw a player blatantly attempting to run the opponent's clock out like that, and would be a hair's breadth from escalating that to a dismissal. The clock exists to protect you from slow play. It does not exist to be weaponized through rule questions made in bad faith. Just play the bloody game.
   
 
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