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I expect the rule to be "[tanks] treat all weapons as pistols while in melee".
That would fit the bill of how they described it.
A LR could fire his hull-mounted and sponson bolters into the infantry bogging it down and, once those are cleared, fire its main weapon at a different target.
Just having it shoot as normal would remove too much of a weakness from vehicles.
This way tieing it down with chaff might take it out for a turn or two, but not the entire rest of the game which is just too effective.

except that's now how targeting works now so that would require a complete rework of targeting rules. making them pistol means the cannon would also have to fire at the infantry

speculation is largely pointless as this could be acheived in a number of different ways - really we just need to wait and see

Good news for anyone wanting more bodies and hovertanks.

Also the preview of the contents has some interesting bits, forgeworld specific canticles, more dogmas and more Cohort formations to look forward too. No datasheet for deadolus though so is he gone?

Agamembar wrote:
Also the preview of the contents has some interesting bits, forgeworld specific canticles, more dogmas and more Cohort formations to look forward too. No datasheet for deadolus though so is he gone?

Daedaolus' rules have always been in Blackstone Fortress: Escalation or Combat Arena.

The fact that canticles are in there has me curious. Is it going to be an alternate table, expanded table, or a revised table?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Agamembar wrote:
Also the preview of the contents has some interesting bits, forgeworld specific canticles, more dogmas and more Cohort formations to look forward too. No datasheet for deadolus though so is he gone?

Daedaolus' rules have always been in Blackstone Fortress: Escalation or Combat Arena.

Yes but it would have been nice to finally have it together with the rest of the new admech units, they did it for the Manipulus so why him and not Deadolus?

I guess he is a character and is off doing his own thing so maybe that is the reason.

my guess it might be revised since the whole issue with inquisitors "not denying canticles" when..nothing did anyway topic.
Willing to bet thats a thing. All i can say is they better put an exception for Knights if they do it.

Also that new start collecting....if its still in the ~95USD range that is a freakin' steal. I may have to snag that, i only have 2 transports/engineers anyway. Its not a dominus!!!! It can happen!!!

Agamembar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Agamembar wrote:
Also the preview of the contents has some interesting bits, forgeworld specific canticles, more dogmas and more Cohort formations to look forward too. No datasheet for deadolus though so is he gone?

Daedaolus' rules have always been in Blackstone Fortress: Escalation or Combat Arena.

Yes but it would have been nice to finally have it together with the rest of the new admech units, they did it for the Manipulus so why him and not Deadolus?
I guess he is a character and is off doing his own thing so maybe that is the reason.

Manipulus could be sold by himself. Daedolus cannot be.

It's physically impossible for them to sell any of the Blackstone Fortress Explorers without clipping the models off of the sprues by themselves.
Combat Arena? It's that same sprue.
Until the Explorers get 'alternate sculpts' or something like that, I can't imagine them publishing them in a book format.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Agamembar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Agamembar wrote:
Also the preview of the contents has some interesting bits, forgeworld specific canticles, more dogmas and more Cohort formations to look forward too. No datasheet for deadolus though so is he gone?

Daedaolus' rules have always been in Blackstone Fortress: Escalation or Combat Arena.

Yes but it would have been nice to finally have it together with the rest of the new admech units, they did it for the Manipulus so why him and not Deadolus?
I guess he is a character and is off doing his own thing so maybe that is the reason.

Spoiler:

Manipulus could be sold by himself. Daedolus cannot be.

It's physically impossible for them to sell any of the Blackstone Fortress Explorers without clipping the models off of the sprues by themselves.
Combat Arena? It's that same sprue.
Until the Explorers get 'alternate sculpts' or something like that, I can't imagine them publishing them in a book format.

Ah I see! ok that explains that then, they really can't have him seperate then. I ended up kitbashing my own and just hoped I wouldn't need to battlescribe for the rules all the time ah well no a big problem I suppose.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
my guess it might be revised since the whole issue with inquisitors "not denying canticles" when..nothing did anyway topic.
Willing to bet thats a thing. All i can say is they better put an exception for Knights if they do it.

Right above "Canticles of the Omnissiah" it says "Forge World".

So we're getting Forge World specific Canticles, a "Forge World Dogmas" section(which is probably 'Build Your Own'), and new Stratagems.

Also that new start collecting....if its still in the ~95USD range that is a freakin' steal. I may have to snag that, i only have 2 transports/engineers anyway. Its not a dominus!!!! It can happen!!!

Even at $100 it's a steal. The Skitarii are free, no matter how you spin it.

Especially in light of them going up to $44.
I'm torn as I don't really need more Skitarii, sitting at 160 of the blighters now...but the transport is $75 by itself!

Its really easy to kitbash Dr. D anyway. Ranger with a pistol (any except the arc kinda looks similar anyway), part of an Omnispex arm, various bits to make a computer device on said arm, and some antennas.

Unfortunately hes probably the only character from Blackstone Fortress that is actively gone after. The rest are kinda bleh. So you probably wont really make much money back selling the other models.

Agamembar wrote:

Ah I see! ok that explains that then, they really can't have him seperate then. I ended up kitbashing my own and just hoped I wouldn't need to battlescribe for the rules all the time ah well no a big problem I suppose.

It's even funnier when you realize that the datasheets for the Explorers? They explicitly were set up to avoid people just splitting the box up easily. You end up having to photocopy pages if you want to do that, as some stuff is front/back or on the same page.

It's fairly unfriendly for splitboxing, but given that some of their board games had people flogging the minis for dumb prices? Not surprising.

Excited. Lots of promise.

But it seems like there are no new relics??

Not every release has seen new Relics. Genestealer Cult, off the top of my head, didn't get them--instead they got Psychic Powers for the named groups.

I'm curious if "Cohorts of the Forge Worlds" might be where we get some traits or something for our Skitarii. It's right before the Holy Order Warlord Traits.

Well, I hope there is a Forge World for mechanized armies like mine. I am just playing pure Mars for the Canticles these days, relying mostly on my tanks with Cawl rerolls to do the damage, but I would love to switch over to a better option if it becomes available.

I hope Sicarians get a massive and deserved buff.

I also want our characters to become scary instead of old nerds with slight buffs.

I don't really believe in the ground-up rework - my bet is we will still be able to pick one per game or roll any number of the same one, just with the new options on the table.

I wonder will it be possible to customize the "Canticles Pool" to roll from, I'd gladly got rid of the Electromancer... finally...

Kinda a bummer if there's no relics (which there don't seem to be), given how garbage the existing relics are.

It seems weird that a faction literally built on having the weirdest, wackiest technology has relics that are total junk compared to most other factions in the game. You would think in the 10,000 years Cawl spent making better Space Marines, he woulda cooked up a few nice little toys for himself and his boys too...

yukishiro1 wrote:
Kinda a bummer if there's no relics (which there don't seem to be), given how garbage the existing relics are.

It seems weird that a faction literally built on having the weirdest, wackiest technology has relics that are total junk compared to most other factions in the game. You would think in the 10,000 years Cawl spent making better Space Marines, he woulda cooked up a few nice little toys for himself and his boys too...

I know we used to have a pistol or taser goad that could shunt stuff into parallel dimenstions if you rolled well which was instant death for whatever model was the target. Those where the days!

slightly annoyed that literally both my armies got no new relics.
Orks got Kustom Jobs at least, but our characters still suck lol.

 Thairne wrote:
I expect the rule to be "[tanks] treat all weapons as pistols while in melee".
That would fit the bill of how they described it.
A LR could fire his hull-mounted and sponson bolters into the infantry bogging it down and, once those are cleared, fire its main weapon at a different target.
Just having it shoot as normal would remove too much of a weakness from vehicles.
This way tieing it down with chaff might take it out for a turn or two, but not the entire rest of the game which is just too effective.

Except video they said "shoot at other stuff". That sounded more like shooting FROM combat rather than TO combat.

"many have complained about grots charging into tanks rendering them useless"
"that doesn't work like that anymore"
"the tank will kill them in melee"

AT which point another said "and shoot other stuff"

That was roughly how the conversation in video went.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
slightly annoyed that literally both my armies got no new relics.
Orks got Kustom Jobs at least, but our characters still suck lol.

I'm ok with it for Orks, besides Biggest Boss is probably better than any relic they would have added, and I have a hard time imagining a better relic for a warboss than da Killa Klaw.

For admech though, yea, we're a victim of early codex syndrome when it comes to the power of our relics. Like 4 or 5 different melee relics for our WS3+ Dominus who want nothing to do with CC...

Agamembar wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
Kinda a bummer if there's no relics (which there don't seem to be), given how garbage the existing relics are.

It seems weird that a faction literally built on having the weirdest, wackiest technology has relics that are total junk compared to most other factions in the game. You would think in the 10,000 years Cawl spent making better Space Marines, he woulda cooked up a few nice little toys for himself and his boys too...

I know we used to have a pistol or taser goad that could shunt stuff into parallel dimenstions if you rolled well which was instant death for whatever model was the target. Those where the days!

Skitarii can't take Relics right now. It was not until we saw the Space Marine Supplements that we started getting non-character relics again. The Omniscient Mask, Phosphoenix, and Skull of Elder Nikola? Those all were Skitarii Relics--they weren't intended for characters that sit in the back. The Omnissiah's Hand(Stygies Relic) is arguably a revamp of the Pater Radium.
The rest of the generics are Cult Mechanicus relics, and they were able to be taken by characters and Datasmiths who were part of a Kastelan unit.

It was a huuuuuuuuuuuge difference with regards to how things worked.

If we get, say, "Cohorts of the Forge Worlds" opening up Skitarii Princeps and Alphas as being able to take relics? It would be a big game changer.

And for Admech you'd think we'd have an unusual number of relics...because..yaknow...we probably made most of the ones the imperium uses anyway lol.

Biggest Boss is cool but i was seriously hoping for a meat blender relic for my boss. Crapton of S5(6) AP1 attacks...mostly for something different. I mostly vehicle spam anyway so the kustom jobs sate me for the most part.

Most of the ones the Imperium would use are the kinds of things that we just take for granted.

I guess they took them for granted so long they forgot where they put them. Bunch of techpriests are going through all the forge worlds right now checking the fridges and microwaves for their favorite doomray.

A Skitarii Cohort Commander developed a way to counter Tyrannic swarms, but it's lost in the foundations of some grenade factory....things happen.

Ouch...

If that's true.. 80 for the archaeopter, which will very likely not even be expensive points wise. Welp back to converting again..