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 Albertorius wrote:
Using Freddie Prinze Jr. to try and voice a little girl is... weird, TBH. I don't think that it works for me.
Umm... what?

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I mean, I'm just not sure those stories need to be told at all, same as I didn't think Solos's story really needed to be told (and actually, the Solo movie is much stronger if he's not Han Solo).

I don't really need to know the whole story of Guerrera or Tarkin to enjoy their movies, and to me they simply feel like checking boxes, at this point.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
Using Freddie Prinze Jr. to try and voice a little girl is... weird, TBH. I don't think that it works for me.
Umm... what?

..wow, I mixed it all up xD. I meant Caleb and for some reason I added the little girl without noticing.

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Im not sure if it was here but someone mentioned how they would never let Omega use a gun because its disney and she is a child.
Well she does, granted it was on stun(Or disable) but it happened.
I was surprised on that.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im not sure if it was here but someone mentioned how they would never let Omega use a gun because its disney and she is a child.
Well she does, granted it was on stun(Or disable) but it happened.
I was surprised on that.

Actually it is certainly not on stun.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wasn't expecting much, given that The Bad Batch was a pretty dull arc in The Clone Wars, but this was great. Far and above what I thought was coming.

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Even when the Squad makes decisions that turn out to be moral, are they just doing it because their mutations code them to disobey?
I think you've got it backwards.

Their mutations don't make them disobey. Their mutations make the chip in their head less or even completely ineffective.

Nope, the mutations also deactivate the chip, but the discussion between Tech and Wrecker (which comes up more than once) is 'does Wrecker blow things up just because his brain structure makes him want to' vs (a badly formed argument because Wrecker is dumb) 'he wants to because he wants to.'

So not only does the chip strip all agency (moral or otherwise) from the regular clones, but the side discussion the show is positing about the Squad also dismisses free will for them, too. Now, as the show unfolds, they may try to prove that isn't actually the case (which... I guess is fine if you think free will discussions aren't inherently a waste of time), but if that's true, they've unfortunately framed it as the 'big dumb guy who smashes is right and the science guy who prefers thinking things through is wrong'
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As a fun extension, Hunter's tendency to let 'wrong targets' go may not be a moral decision, or a disobey orders thing (which is Crosshair's take, subject to his own programming), but his own brain's genetic rules for hunting- things that aren't droids or their masters simply aren't valid targets. He's not making a moral choice, his brain is just fritzing on hunting down Republic citizens, because that's how his brain chemistry processes information.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Then there’s her hair, which I find reminiscent of Palpatine’s design from the rear.

I hate her hair. I get that its primarily an animation cost-cutting thing, but it looks like someone took an axe to a chunk of wood and tried to carve an ocean wave, but failed.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

As for post-war Clones, they've had their chips removed. We saw Rex have his removed at the end of Clone Wars Season 7, and we can assume that Gregor and Wolffe had similar operations before they met up with the Ghost crew in Rebels.


When we first meet them in Rebels, there's a nod to the scars on their heads. If I remember correctly, that was the first real nod towards the idea that Order 66 was hardwired.
   
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I still love the comic scene where Vader and a few Inquisitors are chasing a Jedi. Jedi comments on how shiny and new their trooper escort looks, identifies each of the former Jedi by name, then says Initiate Order 66 along with a Mind Trick.

 
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
When we first meet them in Rebels, there's a nod to the scars on their heads. If I remember correctly, that was the first real nod towards the idea that Order 66 was hardwired.
I think that episode came after Season 6 of Rebels where Fives discovered the chips.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
When we first meet them in Rebels, there's a nod to the scars on their heads. If I remember correctly, that was the first real nod towards the idea that Order 66 was hardwired.
I think that episode came after Season 6 of Rebels where Fives discovered the chips.


Pretty sure it did.

I thought the Bad Batch Clone Wars episode suffered mostly from being "not what I'm here for." On the other hand, if they hadn't established the characters then, this series might not be so intriguing and I'm interested even with my complaint. Looking back, the Clone Wars episodes weren't bad. Being obvious set up fodder kind of detracts from them imo, but it worked well enough.

Curious where the series goes from here. Bit of a rehash of several other Star Wars plots in a way but it's not like there's much else going on at the moment. Might as well kick back and see what happens. Which isn't high praise now that I say it but what does Disney care, I'm still gonna watch it >.>

   
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Yeah, I finished Clone Wars for the first time recently and season 7 definitely suffered from 'Obvious backdoor pilot season' - First with the Bad Batch, secondly with the smuggling sisters.

Honestly, for me, there was quite a lot of that sort of 'not what I'm here for' from the series.

Whether it was that WAY TOO LONG D-squad story, or it was the Savage Opress story that felt a little less like adding to the world and more 'I get to make my fan fiction OC canon.'

I looked on IMDB and Padme was in 38 episodes, and how many of them were more than a couple of lines?

The show was at its best when it was fleshing out the characters in the movies, even when it was introducing new characters to help guide that.
   
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I mean, I agree to a point, but to me the very best of the CW episodes were usually the trooper-centered ones.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
I mean, I agree to a point, but to me the very best of the CW episodes were usually the trooper-centered ones.


Who were definitely characters in the movies in need of fleshing out.
   
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I mean, no show it without it's bad or weak Arcs.
My favorite thing about Clone wars was it brought a war to Star Wars. Like these where not just personal conflicts like the movies that had the war go on in the background, but this show so many facets of the war.
There is also Nuance to the conflict, such as the separatist are 100% right.
There is deep corruption in the republic.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean, no show it without it's bad or weak Arcs.
My favorite thing about Clone wars was it brought a war to Star Wars. Like these where not just personal conflicts like the movies that had the war go on in the background, but this show so many facets of the war.
There is also Nuance to the conflict, such as the separatist are 100% right.
There is deep corruption in the republic.


It also really developed the Galaxy. We saw lots of different worlds, and how the war was fought.

The first couple of seasons aren’t great, I’ll confirm that much. There’s a distinct feeling that Filoni wasn’t allowed free reign, that they were playing it safe as a primarily kid’s show. But when it kicks into gear, it is so, so good.

I mean, look at the initial reception of Ahsoka. She was a pain in the arse, and stuck out like a sore thumb. Yet over her arc, it’s clear that was deliberate. She was just a kid after all. What makes her interesting is her personal development.

The same of Asajj. She could’ve been an exceptionally one dimensional character, but turns into one of the most interesting ones. I’m still pissed off she died for bloody mangst in a novel. She deserved way better treatment. Imagine her and Ahsoka in Rebels, as a sort of “grey area not quite Jedi, not quite Sith” double act.

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I would certainly would love to see something like that, Ventress was always a fun character to watch.

Savage, OTOH... egh.
   
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Savage played his own, again deliberately limited character.

He never had his own agency by design. He’s the perfect example of a Sith apprentice, as in he was crafted for a purpose, was genuinely good at said purpose, but was ultimately disposable. And the fact he was disposed of was seen by the Sith and the viewer as a weakness.

His character is fascinating in its own way. He started out as some who relied on brotherhood to excel. The support and sacrifice of others got him where he went.

After that? Lifted well beyond his station and natural skill (to my mind, a cipher for Force training).

He goes on to help Maul achieve genuine greatness. Yet, when it comes down to it? He dies a genuinely glorious death fighting Palpatine. Soon as that’s done? Maul prostrates himself, rendering his sacrifice moot.

I.......may have thought about this quite a bit. And could be quite easily overthinking,

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As I recall, Savage has a lot of problems due to some heavy meddling on the part of George Lucas on the character. He got twisted around a bunch to meet some weird and conflicting demands.
   
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On the part of Lucas?

Lucas wrote every episode of that series, so what was he meddling with?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We saw Rex have his removed at the end of Clone Wars Season 7, and we can assume that Gregor and Wolffe had similar operations before they met up with the Ghost crew in Rebels.



Gregor also had some significant head injuries (mentioned in that old Clone wars episode where Meeburr Gascon finds him "hiding out" on that separatist backwater on his "droids" mission.) which might have affected his chip implant, too.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On the part of Lucas?

Lucas wrote every episode of that series, so what was he meddling with?


Clone Wars? As far as I know, Lucas did not write a single episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_episodes
   
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Second episode wasn’t great, overall. But it did cover off how rapidly things changed post Republic.

Think I’ll give it another watch in a bit, see if my opinion softens.

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 Albertorius wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On the part of Lucas?

Lucas wrote every episode of that series, so what was he meddling with?


Clone Wars? As far as I know, Lucas did not write a single episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_episodes


Nevermind, I'm confusing Opress with Darth Talon.
   
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My summary for Episode 2:

Oh no, my emotions.
   
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These two first episodes have been very strong, stronger than Rebels or Clone Wars' same window, I've got high hopes for the series and look forward to what they intend to do with Omega as the series progresses, and any window into the early Empire is useful to me.

 LunarSol wrote:
Nevermind, I'm confusing Opress with Darth Talon.


Lucas wasn't directly involved with any Darth Talon project that saw the light of day, beyond his general level of oversight at Lucasfilm. Seeing the character evidently left an impression on him, as he did apparently like the idea of her being involved in a Darth Maul video game that was in development and, later, seemed to be eyeing the design for a sequel trilogy villain.

Of course to allow her to have been alive during Darth Maul's lifetime or a sequel series set only 30 years after jedi, the Legacy era stuff would have had to be chucked down the memory hole.

Honestly it might have been interesting to see in either case, Talon in Legacy is as much of a nothingburger as Maul was in Phantom Menace, it might have been neat to see her character get fleshed out more.

   
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Darth Talon was "hawt" and that's unfortunately all that can really be said about her. Her roll in the Legacy comic series was to be the hot evil girl and that was her character.

EDIT: Also starting up the new episode. Calling it now we're gonna see Cut, the run away Clone, again

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 Compel wrote:
My summary for Episode 2:

Oh no, my emotions.


Really?

I felt like they were just ticking off a plot point.
Responsible adult happened, attempt fails because plot demands it. Permanent party member status achieved, issue will likely never be raised again.


Reasonable rationale for successfully tagging citizens, though. That actually had more thought put into it than the prequels.

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The Bad Batch is really scratching my Star Wars itch. Loving it so far. Also seeing how the stormtrooper corps was created is one of the big questions I’ve wanted to see answered.
   
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Third episode is good. And we’re starting to see some contextualising the shift away from Clones to Spods.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Third episode is good. And we’re starting to see some contextualising the shift away from Clones to Spods.


Felt like there was an episode missing between 2 & 3 (which was partly why I was so annoyed by last week's ep): 'We need to ditch her for her own safety. Now that we didn't do that, let's take her into danger!'

Instead of, you know, do the thing she's trained to do (medic) with the expertise & knowledge she clearly has (clones and brain chips). Not like there wasn't an obvious need for that...

Also, where did the Gonk droid come from?

Also, also. Close the hatch on your critical energy cells when you're done. Even if the plot needs to happen.
(put them on the inside of the ship as well... Good job that was a perfectly convenient moon with an atmosphere, let alone trying to swap those out in space.)


Aside accent complaint- I'm not completely sure, but I think the VA for Omega thinks her character's name is Amiga. It gets pretty thick at times with all these clones.


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Edit- I love the way the Empire officers made a decision based on an (absurdly) brief oral report, and no details or evidence. That's... pretty baffling.

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Voss wrote:Also, where did the Gonk droid come from?
I seem to remember Wrecker lifting it as a weight in earlier episodes?

I love the way the Empire officers made a decision based on an (absurdly) brief oral report, and no details or evidence. That's... pretty baffling.
I assumed that they had either helmet cams fitted, or a recon droid watching the whole encounter.
   
 
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