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Ok, Now very few things annoy me but this really got to me for some reason...

I was at a GW that i've not been to before (see other thread...) and I'd just played a nice game against some guy and was having a look at other peoples armies/games when I saw something which really really annoyed me.

Player X had just cause 8 wounds on a terminator squad so player Y rolled the dice to make the 2+ saves, he rolled the 8 dice one at a time, on the way one dice landed as a 4 and the next moment another dice hit it and it turned into a 1. Player Y said that the roll had been a 4 as the other dice had knocked it.

Now I roll all my dice together and the final results are the final results, all my dice would have landed as I liked at some point but thats not ho they ended up. This kind of imho BS really got me angry, am i being unreasonable to think so?

You've heard the expression 'play 'em as they lie'?

If a dice hits another dice and changes its result in the same rule, too bad. Can you imagine telling a dealer in Vegas that when your dice knocks the other one and you lose that it should really be the other way?

The question I have is, what did player X do? Did he make player Y swallow his dice?

BYE

yeah,
I think player Y did nothing wrong... HE was probabily rolling each of the dice one at a time to make the rolls exciting?
each dice that rolled a 1 ment a terminator died... so it's like: he's ok, he's ok, he's ok, he's ok... untill all 8 dice were rolled.

the original dice was already resolved... it was a 4.
if it was a 1 that got hit and turned to a 4, I'm sure player X would have claimed "it was a 1 so that stands as a 1...it's not a 4 or i'll cry"

Or we would all Roll out dice like this and try and hit the dice on the table that are 'so far' unfavourable...

Player X sounds like a jerk... jumping on any chance to turn an advantage...
while Player Y sounds stupid... just roll all the dice at the same time!

Panic...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The question I have is, what did player X do? Did he make player Y swallow his dice?

Player X didn't make any kind of moaning, he just was getting on playing

I think thats cheating, you have to wait till every dice has stopped moving and then apply the results and they are final!! IMHO

If you roll them one at a time then hitting one of your dice with another die is clearly cheating. If they are all rolled at once and they bounce off each other I'd just go with how they end up, in the end.

I'd have simply packed up my stuff and told him to enjoy his win. If he wants to win that badly, he can play some other mook.

Once all dice stop moving, then you can pick them up.

I just hope the guy tries that gambit at either Atlantic City or Vegas - if he doesn't get his fingers broken, he'll be banned for life (and word gets around).

what if he had 8 termies, with 8 different gear loadouts, and was required to roll them as singles?

In all seriousness, I know players who like to do the 'one at a time because I'm a superstitious clod' act. I'm also looking at you, 'I won't say "missile launcher"' players. and I find it a little obnoxious, but if they get a kick out of it, so be it. But let me remind you, this game is 40k, not curling. You sure as can't change the result of your first die throw with the second, or we'd have some seriously whack metagame going on. "no PLEASE fire all your guns, I failed the first save and need more armour saves to throw at it!" When a die stops moving, that's your result, move on

H.B.M.C. wrote:
If a dice hits another dice and changes its result in the same rule, too bad.

I hope you're gaming group have been brushing up their dice-cannoning skills!

The player is absolutely right to accept the result of '4'. Otherwise he would be able to change the results of '1' by cannoning dice into them to make them move.

yeah,
I'm not sure that every one is getting this?

Y was making 8 separte rolls. one of the rolls was finnished the result was a 4.
a dice from a previous roll that was still on the table was hit by a new dice being rolled and changed its result... X demanded that the new result on the old dice stands dispite the terminator alredy making the save...

So basically this sounds like it went doen like this:
Y : 3 HE's ok
Y : 2 HE's ok
Y : 4 HE's ok
Y : 3 HE's ok
Y : 5 HE's ok
Y : 6 HE's ok (dice bounced off one of the first dice)
X : Number3's dice has change from a 4 to a 1 he's dead!
Y : no I already rolled his dice it was a 4
X : !!!!!
...
...

Y wasn't trying to alter his dice rolls...
X was being a jerk... He's Claiming that until Y picks up his dice following a dice roll, if the result on any of Y's old dice rolls that are still on the table is changed by something else he can try and claim the new result? which is a bit gimp like...

PaniC...

Panic wrote:yeah,
I'm not sure that every one is getting this?

Y was making 8 separte rolls. one of the rolls was finnished the result was a 4.
a later roll hit a dice from a previous roll that was still on the table and changed its result... X demanded that the new result stands dispite the terminator alredy making the save...

Y wasn't trying to alter his dice rolls...
X was being a jerk...

PaniC...

Yep. Being a jerk. They should throw them all at once for a start!

yeah,
I did say that Y was stupid... I'd prefer to just roll them all at once...

Some people think it makes the game exciting drawing out the important rolls...
And some people are superstitious (like someone already said)
And If he thinks the chances of rolling a 1 is less if he rolls the dice separately then that's fine, he's making 8 separate rolls...

I have a friend who plays with bucketloads of dice and leaves them all over the table, when he is rolling to hit he picks up all the dice that are sitting on 1's and 2's... his reasoning is that following the rules of averages they should roll higher this time...

Panic...

X was wrong, Y was right but it would have been much better to have rolled all the dice in one go.

Wait, so Y was rolling them one at a time?

Well if so, slap him for being a time-wasting douche, but secondly, yes, player X was then being a bigger douche.

If player Y was rolling them all at once and one dice caused another to change numbers, then, as I said, playing X may commence with the forced ingestion of player Y's dice into player Y's stomach with no feelings of guilt.

BYE

You've heard the expression 'play 'em as they lie'?

If a dice hits another dice and changes its result in the same rule, too bad. Can you imagine telling a dealer in Vegas that when your dice knocks the other one and you lose that it should really be the other way?

so, if i roll die 1 at a time i can use another die to knock an allready rolled one out the way?
thus changing the result of the 1st die?

crazyness
just throw em all at the same time, only exception to this i dont mind is rolling seperate for different weapons in the unit.
if i ever played someone that rolled 1 at a time i would simply charge 30 boyz at em, and roll 120 dice 1 at a time

JD beat me to it.

and as many have said before...roll them all at once.

i just find it pointless, if you do that and play orks the game will go on a few more hours.

and lets face it, nothing looks better than rolling 120 dice at once

I really hate the people who over throw the dice as if they are at a bowling alley. Or those who know the old side throw bounce scam that guarantees a high number.

best thing i saw was someone roll over 100 dice, on a city fight table XD
told him not to but he did anyway.
took him 10 mins to find em all.

Reaver83 wrote: This kind of imho BS really got me angry, am i being unreasonable to think so?

no Adam, the reason you got angry is your emotionally unstable personality disorder,

you'll find it under ICD-You'refat

See you tommorrow tons of (dice) fun

After you roll dice (whether it's one or a 100), you should move them out of the way of any other rolls. Playing orks, I roll large handfuls of dice all the time and I don't like them mixing up with "dead" dice.

I also reroll all cocked dice, even if the initial cocked die is in my favor. And I generally let the opponent look over my successful "to-hit" rolls before I pick them up and roll wounds.

Just common courtesy (though it's not so "common" anymore...).

Player Y was fine doing what he did, but in the future he should move "dead" dice out of the way.

I roll all at once, if I've got different weapons or am applying different wounds to different models in a squad, I use different colour dice.

I always re roll cocked dies.

When rolling to hit and to wound, I pick up all the failed dice so that the opponent can see that the ones left are all hits or wounds. If you've just picked up a 4 and your opponent says "That was a three" you've got no way of proving it either way. Picking up all the ones and twos causes less aggro.

I think this is all pretty much general dice etiquette at my club, if anyone is being a bell end about how they roll, we'll try and "coach" them into rolling in a more gamer friendly way.

The only exception I can think of is one TFG who plays Orks, but who only has six massive "lucky dice" that he plays with. Firstly they are easily capable of breaking minis, and secondly, rolling 120 attacks with six dice is really boring. :S I think if he comes in and does that again I'll "persuade" him to buy a couple of boxes of dice

Sounds like the guy didnt want to loose...In most friendly games it wouldnt fly..
We have guys yell "keep it" when a die goes off the table and what ever the roll
is on the floor they keep it..
The last APOC game a guy didnt understand when we said " live on a one"
Meaning he was wounded on a 2+ but never heard that said before..

Well, rolling your dice one at a time is deeply, deeply annoying to me, unless of course for some reason there is only one die available.

However, he is correct to claim the 4, rather than the one. Unless of course earlier in the game the reverse had happened and he changed his tune to claiming the 'cannoned' result.

Me, I roll as close the number of dice need as possible, and if I don't have enough, I roll two batches split as evenly as numbers will allow. In between each one, I stop to pick out the failures, then count the successes. Then it's back to the hand to roll again.

Yeah, I think claiming the 4 was good - and with terminators (especially chaos ones) you can have each model be its own dice bucket because of the options.

8 models:
champion
pw/combibolter
pw/combimelta
lc/combimelta
reaper ac
twin lc
pw/combiflamer
lc/combiflamer

That is what my squad looks like, actually

theres nothing wrong with rolling a die at a time once its rolled and stops its the result. now that 4 is sitting there and he picks up another die to role and it bounces into the 4 it wouldnt matter what it turned into because he already roled it, its final after it stops so it would be a 4 once you make a save its saved.

You've heard the expression 'play 'em as they lie'?

If a dice hits another dice and changes its result in the same rule, too bad. Can you imagine telling a dealer in Vegas that when your dice knocks the other one and you lose that it should really be the other way?

The question I have is, what did player X do? Did he make player Y swallow his dice?

I am a Craps dealer in a casino. And god knows I have seen every way to roll dice, In every casino on the planet you roll all of the dice at once, this is for two reasons first it is to ensure that there is no switching of a die mid roll (i.e. throw one and switch the other while everyone is watching the first die landing) and second is so that there is no intentional hitting of a die when one die is set (i.e. you roll one die and get a 2 you aim the second die at the first to try for a higher number because you are playing the field.)


I having worked with dice in a professional setting I am kind of anal about how my opponents roll, hell I clear my hand every time touch a die (not to mention I never close my hand around it)


So as a General rule I have everyone I play with roll all the die at the same time, if some are knocked around it doesn't matter, if it hits a players hand it does not matter (unless its intentional), if a dice is leaning I use casino rules (This is to say that you treat the object the die is no as if it was melting ice the end result is the number called.)

So in the situation mentioned above I would have to say that as long as the hitting of the die was not intentional the resulting roll of all the dice is what stands.

Reaver83 wrote:Player X had just cause 8 wounds on a terminator squad so player Y rolled the dice to make the 2+ saves, he rolled the 8 dice one at a time, on the way one dice landed as a 4 and the next moment another dice hit it and it turned into a 1. Player Y said that the roll had been a 4 as the other dice had knocked it.

Too bad, it's his fault he rolled it in such a way that the die changed to a 1.

I don't know anyone who routinely rolls one die at a time. The only time it's really ever done is when it's something game swinging and we're trying to raise the suspense.

Routinely rolling one die at a time is either a sad compulsion or a purposeful mindF against the opponent. This is meant to be a game, not an eight hour torture session.

However, once Player Y accepts this garbage without complaint or quitting on turn two, all bets are off and he might as well accept the other nonsense that player X comes up with.

If this were a tournament, it's a tragedy. This is why Chess Clocks were invented. "You spent 58 minutes of your alloted 60 minutes rolling dice. You lose."