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I suggest that GW should sell player aids.

I have noticed a variety of players have created their own for use in the game. Im talking about reference sheets for special rules and summaries. I have seen them for faith points, dark Eldar combat drugs, and Necrons.

I also play flames of war and I have all the "army/national dice" and the army counters for my forces... Why doesn't GW make counters for armies like that?

I suppose their is some effort here, the turn marker and the counters in the core set are nice player aids also, but with the apocalypse templates I am sometimes surpirsed that GW doesn't make more game aids?

Would you buy player aids? (Summary sheets or measureing devices and or counters?) I would!

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they tried that once in 4th ed with the wargear book, it was a great idea until iirc Eldar or another army got updated and as so one section of the book was the out of date, for summary sheets its a great idea, but it is why the print one in the codex for you to photocopy, its a nice idea, but it is really not cost effective,

counters for things however would be great, they did do some for fantasy a while back and i have used them and they are great use, i'm not so sure they are needed in 40k however

Counters would definately be a great asset. Shoot GF9's been making a good living on selling counters and templates..

They wouldn't get me. I'd wear a condom!

GW already sells counters (in BRIGHT GREEN!!!!!!) for 40K. I don't know if they were a limited release or whatever, but I know they exist. Friend of mine has two sets, and Panic has one of the plastic flag objective counters as his Avatar.

For someone like me, the GF9 tokens (which my friend also has) are useless as it's tiny silver writing on a black background, something I find stupidly hard to read. GW's counters are good counters because they're huge, bright and wordless (everything is designed to be obvious).

BYE

When 3E came out, GW included 2 A4 reference sheets printed on cardstock. That was great.

Just imagine if, with every GW Codex and Army Book release, GW included a similar A4 reference sheet in the current month's WD issue...

They tried cardboard inserts in WD a while back. Round issue 200. It didn't take.

BYE

I think last cardboard reference in WD was for 5th ed.......

As 1hadhq said, (really catchy username there dude, thank gork for copy and paste!! ) they did a card pull out for 5th Ed which is pretty handy, I laminated mine at work so it lasted longer. I think everyone needs to make their own crib sheet for their army. As has been said, you can only do it per Codex and errors that get FAQ'd later would need hand amending if they did an official one which would be poo. Also everyone has their own particular rules they can never remember or never need to look up, also units and characters that they never use so a generic codex sheet wouldn't be right for everyone.

I guess whichever way GW play it people would moan Most importantly for me, 40k needs to keep it's distance from games like Warmachine which end up being CCGs with little metal dudes to visually represent the cardgame. GW could put a reference card in with every box to tell you what that unit could do, but becuase the game and the kits are so fluid and every single 40k collection out there is different and uses different parts of each kit and different wargear etc, altogether it's just easier to make your own.

The other option is to have your codex festooned with sticking out post-its as a few people at my FLGS tend to do to quickly find their way to certain pages.

What would be more helpful would be if every codex kept it's special rules in the same place, so that you didn't have to guess where in the book the wargear and special rules section should be.

I think more specific tokens would be awesome. Stuff like which psychic powers are in effect, Test needed, etc..
I've got a set of the GW counters and if you paint mithril silver on the back and put some foundation colors on the main part of the counter you'll be able to read them better.

One of the TFG's at my FLGS uses those stupid bright green markers to decide which turn it is, which units have run or shot etc... He insists on using them in every game. To be honest most people treat him like he's special needs as a result... well, that and he has a stutter, really thick glasses and a propensity for licking windows and interfering with farm animals, I really don't see the need for it all and it's quite annoying to play against. I'd really appreciate player aids like cards or sheets with the special rules and abilities of the units in my army. However, the ability to remember which of your units are running or shooting or whatever is all part of being a good player, if you can't keep up with ti then play more and pay more attention.

I remember when WD used to come with freebies in it.
Back when it was worth reading. Free terrain, free cards, free reference sheets.

Now, you get what?
A poxy plastic dwarf?
A gammy plastic terminator with the same range of motion as Steven Seagall has acting range and an ork that looks embarrassed.

The 3rd ed box came with two reference sheets - which were quite handy.

I'll put up with my lesser 3rd party tools and aids, thanks. Gw's ones are overpriced for what they are. Now, if they had a set that included All of these options, it might sell a crapload.

Ideally, you need a set of infantry counters for:
Fired Rapid fire/heavy weapon/no charge.
pinned/gone to ground (can be reversible)
Falling back
Broken
Fearless.

bike/jetbike units need Turboboost counters as well, as this will prevent them doing things and grant other things.

Vehicles need the usual shaken/stunned/immob/weapon destroyed/destroyed counters, plus the movement they did (combat/flat-out/etc).

A set of deployment markers (centre of table and other markers for table quarters or whatever.)

Yes, I'm aware that GF9 already makes several sets like this already (and I own several of them).

I really dread to think what GW would charge for such a thing, though.

The clear green plastic marker set was great. Same green as Necron gun-rod-things. I wouldn't pay for it, but I appreciate that the local Fex-spammer uses the wound markers!

Everyone loves a SLINKY.

As far as turn counters go, just get the biggest D6 you can find, place it face up on '1', and turn it to the next number when you finish your turn. How bloody hard is that?

You know that GW have free reference sheets on their website right ?

They do still sell the green counter set and the Line of sight marker thing.

They do release dice in different "flavoured" tins for a few of the races, and I think they still sell those oversized dice for apoc.

You get them for 40k in the form of the bright green ones already mentioned, and also some are available for Fantasy, like Banner Markers, DIspel Scrolls, wounds etc. Must dig mine out!

I'm never getting the 40k ones. I loathe fluorescent green. Probably why I don't play necrons, either.

Besides, I got the GF9 ones LONG before GW cottoned onto the idea and noticed there was a buck to be made. But back in the day, we had counters for our games of 40k - and they were supplied by GW.

I find them easier to read than the GW ones, anyway, and my laser pointer cost me < $5 (a feat, considering the usually poor performance of the AUD) (I do have a markerlight, but it was given to me and I haven't used it yet).

But Happy New year from the antipodes.

reds8n wrote:You know that GW have free reference sheets on their website right ?...

NO, I did not know that.

Not feeling very web savvy at this point...

Thank you for adding that detail in, I am am going to print them all and ad them to my reference book, what a great thing!

(I would still ike the dice with my army symbol on the six though, and more counters)

ALso I think I may paint mine, to get rid of the green too....

Thanks again reds8n...

s8n?

Heh funny.

yeah,
I think It goes without saying that I like the counters!

The objective markers are good easy fuss free markers...

The wound counters are better than using a dice, How many times have you used a die to record wounds and it gets picked up and rolled?

Veichle counters are good to remind players which weapons have been destroyed and tank imobilised ect..
If you've ever seen a game with 10 or more tanks you'll under stand the need for knowing which weapons have been destroyed.

I agree that for a normal game you don't need to know which unit has run, rapid fired or are falling back, you should remember... I've never used the run or rapid fire or fall back tokens...
But for a big game of apoc where each turn takes more than a hour, I imagine they'll help, especially if the game is being left overnight till the next day to finnish.[/list]

I'd like a gamer aid that measures the standard movement distances, that's not a tape measure or ruller!! haha
for example a template for 6" movement (minus the width of the base) so you just put it in from of the mini and move the dude to the other end... and that's exactly 6"
you'd need one for every base size... but it'll help put a end to players who have over generous movement phases...

Panic...

Augustus wrote:

reds8n wrote:You know that GW have free reference sheets on their website right ?...

NO, I did not know that.

Not feeling very web savvy at this point...

The space marine FAQ is the old one, it has different data on it than is current...

Sheesh, how hard would that be to make it up to date? I did not check the others.

Ah well.

Same old GW we know and love.

They will update it eventually...... probably just in time for the next codex.

You're welcome-- there's fantasy ones too if you're bothered.

There are a few cool bits on their site, they do seem to frequently sneak stuff on there. The Rynn's world campaign is pretty cool, but the Librarian tactica is for the last codex.

Panic wrote:I'd like a gamer aid that measures the standard movement distances, that's not a tape measure or ruller!! haha
for example a template for 6" movement (minus the width of the base) so you just put it in from of the mini and move the dude to the other end... and that's exactly 6"
you'd need one for every base size... but it'll help put a end to players who have over generous movement phases...

Panic...

You mean like GF9s TAC template? http://www.gf9.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=235

It has a 6" side (movement), 4" side (vehicle coherency), 2" side (infantry coherency), and a 6" ruler printed on the other side for variable rates.

Probably the best gamer aid out there, imho.

Augustus wrote:
I also play flames of war and I have all the "army/national dice" and the army counters for my forces... Why doesn't GW make counters for armies like that?

Was it Flames of War that had dice with red stars for 1s? (USSR, I'd guess)

I've been meaning to get some of those.

Cruentus wrote:

Panic wrote:I'd like a gamer aid that measures the standard movement distances, that's not a tape measure or ruller!! haha
for example a template for 6" movement (minus the width of the base) so you just put it in from of the mini and move the dude to the other end... and that's exactly 6"
you'd need one for every base size... but it'll help put a end to players who have over generous movement phases...

Panic...

You mean like GF9s TAC template? http://www.gf9.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=235

It has a 6" side (movement), 4" side (vehicle coherency), 2" side (infantry coherency), and a 6" ruler printed on the other side for variable rates.

Probably the best gamer aid out there, imho.

that's exactly what i mean!
It needs a 5" side for 6"movement of models on a 25mm base
It needs a 4.5" side for 6"movement of models on a 40mm base
a 6" side to measure assault measurement.

Although I can already imagine the comments that would be made from the GW haters here on dakka, should GW ever sell a flourescent green triangle with the markings on the sides...
maybe I'll make my own.. I think it would save alot of time...

Panic...

Panic wrote:
Although I can already imagine the comments that would be made from the GW haters here on dakka, should GW ever sell a flourescent green triangle with the markings on the sides...

They're already late to the party and it'll cost $2+ more than GF9's version so it'd be well-deserved.

Panic wrote:

Although I can already imagine the comments that would be made from the GW haters here on dakka, should GW ever sell a flourescent green triangle with the markings on the sides...

Panic...

Yeah, but only because GW would charge $150 for it.

edit: p.s., I use the green markers and love them; i find they speed up the game.

I make my own Markers.
In fantasy, I used spare sheilds and axes for wound markers, spare banner poles for captured banners, pile of artillery extras for "cannot shoot", Pile of Hacked-up equiptment for "Broken", A Drill for "I've got Dwarf Miners coming and don't want to forget about them" and Dynamit, for Miners Blasting charges.
In 40k, I have a "Hive Node" for an objective marker. Spare Fantasy counters also work for Objectives.I aslo use a colour system for my Dice. White=attack/Defence Dice, Red=wound markers, Purple=Turn counter.
Who needs to Buy gameing aids?

chromedog wrote:I'm never getting the 40k ones. I loathe fluorescent green. Probably why I don't play necrons, either.

Fluorescent red
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDL10&P=FR

Fluorescent blue
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/pls/pls90251.htm?source=froogle


Just sayin' is all.

H.B.M.C. wrote:GW already sells counters (in BRIGHT GREEN!!!!!!) for 40K. I don't know if they were a limited release or whatever, but I know they exist.

Nope, they're still available.