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That's right. There are no US GW GTs. The Indy GTs are still going on, just the ones that GW runs are cancelled for 2009.

I agree with your statement. Maybe they will be back for 2010.

Could be an experiment to see if it affects sales.

After all, it appears to be GW's view that Tournaments are a minority part of the Hobby.

Thus, the cost of putting on a Tournament may not be recouped at the Tournament. So take a chance, cut them, and see if it affects the takings.

Please be aware the above is sheer conjecture, NOT to be taken twice daily. NOT to be taken as rumour. NOT to be taken as anything but sheer mindless postulating.

I think the conjecture is probably close to the mark though. If these events weren't generating the kind of investment they anticipated it's an easy decision for corporate HQ to decide not to spend that money. Now I'm not someone who's traveled to a GT before but it's still disappointing. While they may not create a revenue stream that GW can rely on, they do support an aspect of the hobby that is important to some players that helps promote a more nationwide community. People have met each other at GT's that never would have met face to face otherwise.

Its like GW is going back in time, to when there were less stores, less events, no GTs, etc. Only with a worse WD.....


but better miniatures!

Thanks GW.


I won't be spending money on travel, hotel, food.... models for next year's army. Looks like GW just put about one thousand dollars back into my pocket.


take care

I think that GW realized that they can't afford to run a GT with paid staff that can compete with the Indy GTs and their volunteer staff. Add in the cost of shipping tables and terrain, and everything else, and I'm guessing GW realized they simply weren't putting on the best value events out there.

It's a shame, because the one GT I did attend was a lot of fun, but if they're not financial viable, they're not viable.

Will be interesting to see if their's a 2010 circuit.

And as Polonius said, there are seemingly lots (I dunno, I only read about them) of other Tournaments being run by third parties.

Platuan4th wrote:

No -ing kidding!!!

Dang... Now that's got me seriously bummed. <sigh>

Vale,

JohnS

Glad I hopped on Adepticon then. Looks like tomorrow is my one and only trip this year for a tourney.

Sounds more like they laid off the tournament team and suddenly realized they had no one who could do the job.

Very short-sighted.

Well, that's really a shame.

Although I think some of you are reading too much into this beyond the restructuring causing a lot of chaos behind the scenes (which is understandable) and the fact that companies everywhere are looking to save a buck right now however they can (also understandable). While I find it hard to believe that the GTs operated at a significant loss, I'm sure GW isn't in an environment to hand out a lot of employee overtime, etc.

This happened once before and they came back better than ever.

You could always drive to Des Moines for the monthly tournaments I run. Granted they're probably not as big... I don't think I could do more than 24 people because of table space, but then that's never been a problem yet because we only get 10-16 people, though it's been growing that top end here the last few months.

Hmmm. Let's see. They did away with GD Atlanta. Now the GW GT's. Maybe Jervis is driving home his point - At the end of a very large sword!?!? Maybe it's just time for the gaming community to pick up the ball and do something with it. Just my 2 cents.

There are lots of good Indy GTs out therem and they are infinitely better than GTs. And they actually give out (Gasp!) PRIZES!

I for one had already planned on never going to a GW one again anyway. $125 for the privilage of playing on the same crappy tables with the same drive-through window PA system ("What mission did he say we were supposed to be playing?").

There are four big events within driving distance that more than sate my tourney hunger! and all put together don't add up to the single fee of a GT. Better run, better terrain, better players. Win/win!

Personally I've been very happy with the local tourneys. The volunteers do a wonderful job. The Adepticon people seem to pull off an incredible show. I'm sure it's the same with a lot of the other local tourney's. I really don't know anybody locally who's gone to a GT, or has any plans to do so, and I know quite a few people who play.

I'm sure that there are people who are disappointed, but they really are in the minority. If the forum threads and posts from some of the tourney goers are any indication, a pretty hard to please crowd to boot.

I do not consider myself a tourney goer, but it is a shame that there is no GT's this year.

That said, as one of GW's harsher critics I can very well understand why they might have axed the GT circuit this year.

As well, why hold GT's when there are indy's who run a tighter and much cleaner show like adepticon who not only offer 40K and WHFB, but they write thorough FAQ's to make the play go smoother? This doesnt even mention the hobby related seminars, odd games like Legends of the High Seas, BFG tourney, Space Hulk, Blood Bowl, Warhammer ancients, etc.

GW has never done such a good job even at their own games days.

Again, whats the point of GW doing them when others do it better and GW dont even have to lift a finger to promote their own product?

That, right there, is the whole point.

If anybody reads this and thinks;" OK, so now I wont spend any money on models this year as tournaments are my only source of motivation/gaming".......I really pity you (generic you).

Well, as a GT and Indy tournament goer, I don't see that there has to be (or is) a place for *either* one or the other, as some may believe. My impression from the GWGTs I've attended is that most people have a really good time at them, and as someone posted earlier, get to meet people that they might not get to otherwise. Although I support and enjoy Indy GTs (and have run one or two larger tournaments myself), there has always been something different about the GW GTs, so I hope that they can get them back online for 2010. I for one will try to attend both Indys and GWGTs when/if the option arises next year - at the end of the day, they are good for the hobby overall, and if we don't grow the hobby, we start to run out of people to play when others leave it.

If anything, this gives me 100 more points for some of the Indys this year, as only the GWGTs seemed to be set at 1750! Chris, hope your job is safe and that we get to see you at some tournaments next year.

Steelmage99 wrote:If anybody reads this and thinks;" OK, so now I wont spend any money on models this year as tournaments are my only source of motivation/gaming".......I really pity you (generic you).

Thanks for that.

Many of us were feeling bummed about the cancellation, but now feel doubley bummed because we use a tournaments as motivation for gaming (generic we, of course).



take care

Son of a bitch! We had a team ready to go to Vegas this year too, it would have been my first GT! I have always been saving up for something and could never go.

gak, shiza, gak.

Well, at least I can look forward to the SoCal slaughter fantasy tourny in the summer. What a bust.

Hellfury wrote:I do not consider myself a tourney goer, but it is a shame that there is no GT's this year.

That said, as one of GW's harsher critics I can very well understand why they might have axed the GT circuit this year.

As well, why hold GT's when there are indy's who run a tighter and much cleaner show like adepticon who not only offer 40K and WHFB, but they write thorough FAQ's to make the play go smoother? This doesnt even mention the hobby related seminars, odd games like Legends of the High Seas, BFG tourney, Space Hulk, Blood Bowl, Warhammer ancients, etc.

GW has never done such a good job even at their own games days.

Again, whats the point of GW doing them when others do it better and GW dont even have to lift a finger to promote their own product?

That, right there, is the whole point.

Well put that man.

J'santai Khan wrote:Hmmm. Let's see. They did away with GD Atlanta. Now the GW GT's. Maybe Jervis is driving home his point - At the end of a very large sword!?!? Maybe it's just time for the gaming community to pick up the ball and do something with it. Just my 2 cents.

Agreed!

In a basement somewhere, Jervis and AgeOfEgos are chuckling contentedly...

Guys, this line of thinking is crazy. While Jervis has said on more than one occasion that he doesn't think the game should be geared towards tournaments as much, this doesn't mean that he doesn't ever play in them (he does) nor that he is against all tournaments (he isn't, 'cause he has played in them). It just means that by sticking to rigid tournament rules only, there is a more flexible side to the game that is lost. The campaign article in this month's WD (a nice new addition) speaks to this a bit.

Saw this coming. Still sucks.

I'm not into tourneys so it doesn't really effect me, but it sucks to see them go. However, if the money and resources they are blowing on these tourneys gets reinvested and turned into some really awesome new models then I'm all for it And who knows maybe it will mean they can support indie GTs better now.

Well, I must say that I am................ Disappointed. Does save me a lot of money, and it does lose GW some money. But the purchases by GT players just for the GTs is probably a drop in the bucket. Course, they do lose out on those intangibles, the word-of-mouth advertising, etc. Our club had about 20 people go to Baltimore last year. Hmmm, 20 of us not building new armies, that might be a fairly decent chunk of change that our local GW isn't getting.

For every adepticon though guys there is a broadside bash. At a GWGT you knew what you were gonna get, every time. The level has always been consistant. With indy GT's your never totally sure about what your getting until you show up. Just because one event (Adepticon) runs a great event doesn't mean that all Indy's do. Having attended multiple indy and GW ran GT's I have to say I've always enjoyed GWGT's and that they generally put on a good show.

As for this year this sucks, Vegas was on my dance card this summer. Oh well

Necros wrote:However, if the money and resources they are blowing on these tourneys gets reinvested and turned into some really awesome new models then I'm all for it

There's no correlation there. The US GT's come out of the US HQ budget, not the Studio budget. They could cancel every single event they hold year round everywhere in the world and it wouldn't affect the Studio budget/schedule.