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I don't see this anywhere but, privateer press has opened their field test site for Warmachine MK 2 today.

Head here to sign up and download the new beta rule set.

http://fieldtest.privateerpress.com/

Enjoy!!

OH oh! Can Rackham borrow their rules writer? There is one, one PARTICULAR rule, that I just love SO much:

Page 4:
1.) If a rule specifically states an interaction with another rule, follow it.

2.) Rules that says something "cannot" occur override rules that say something "must" or "can" occur.

fething AWESOME! Sorry. There are so many of these in C:AoR and the "conflicting rules" rule in C:AoR is so poorly worded (because they hadn't gotten Aaron to do their translating yet. ). I'd love to see something more like this in the Age of Rag'narok rulebook.

Loving the writing so far though. VERY clear which is so... refreshing.

I have quickly skimmed through it and it (the rules) seems really clear and concise.

I also had a chance to skim through a few faction cards, namely Khador (which I play) and Menoth (which I'd like to start) and there are some interesting things.

Warcasters do get a few extra points to spend on Jacks, which is nice. The point system is completely different. For example in MK 1 Doomreavers were 100pts, now they are 6 pts, the system has been cut 10% across the board and some units got cheaper. I'll be printing the rules off later and giving it a whole and total read through.

So far so good, now if only other companies would do similar things with their rule sets, the hobby world would be a better place.

Indeed. Looks pretty interesting, and the army building seems like the kind of shift we saw from 2nd edition 40K to Force Organization Charts. Liking it so far, but only time will tell what it will do.

So far it seems like it should not "force" any changes to the armies that exist.

Didn't look at too many of the cards as I only have a few figures and most are from Prime and Escalation. I'll check them out in a bit.

The LOS rules are a tournament player's wet dream. Finally the cone defined in exquisite detail. I also like that they are really codifying their abilities and providing short-form icons (which will probably be more legible in color).

Overall it looks like a good way to go for PP. Not a huge change in how to play, but mostly clarifying and streamlining to get rid of the chaff that had accumulated.

Digging through now. Rewriting the rulebook and every model in the entire game is a pretty momentous undertaking. It's going to take a fair bit of play-testing to really get a feel for the new version.

Everything plays the same, but the balance is going to be really hard to declare without seeing this stuff on the table.

OT: Loved my Captcha words for registering to get my copy: Nixon's climax.

Now to actually go over them...

lmao! That's awesome.

Also, just noticed a LOT of the Cygnar units got Jack Marhsall.

And the stat cards give two values, one for a minimum sized unit, one for a maximum. can you have between sized units anymore?

is there any place to get this that -doesn't- require you to join their fracking forums in order to join the betatest site in order to download the rules?

Shotgun wrote:is there any place to get this that -doesn't- require you to join their fracking forums in order to join the betatest site in order to download the rules?

The entire point of the beta release is so that people will talk about it directly with Privateer and offer feedback through the appropriate channels. How are you going to do that if you don't register?

If you just want to peruse the rules as a preview of what's to come, worry not. I'm sure there will be a torrent of it shortly.

blue loki wrote:

Shotgun wrote:is there any place to get this that -doesn't- require you to join their fracking forums in order to join the betatest site in order to download the rules?

The entire point of the beta release is so that people will talk about it directly with Privateer and offer feedback through the appropriate channels. How are you going to do that if you don't register?

If you just want to peruse the rules as a preview of what's to come, worry not. I'm sure there will be a torrent of it shortly.

Since moving to this area, in the last two years I have played exactly 2 days of any flavor of PP. One, I drove a hour to a tourney. The other was with my cousin's son on my kitchen table. I don't want to betatest. I have no options to betatest. I want to see if it is even worth keeping my armies in the hopes that the game might return to the area.

From a cursory review, it's not that different. I think you'll field 'more'. If you take your old 500 point list, it's not a 50 pt list (one of the changes, all the points are roughly 1/10 what they were) - it's more like a 35 point list. So, you get/have to field more. The game still seems to be a lot of 'building combos', warcasters are still really powerful, and Longgunners still stink at melee. Warjacks are cheapers (relatively) and have stat boosts and some pretty juicy special abilities. There's obviously exceptions (baneknights come to mind), but overall I'd say it's not hugely different.

If you liked the playstyle before, you probably still will. If you didn't, you might now, but I doubt it.

I have no idea if this will see a second rising with the game or not. I guess that I'm more excited to play it than I have been in years, but I don't know how much of that is just because it's 'new' vs. 'good changes'.

Give it a week, Shotgun.

So far I like the changes in there. They toned down several uber abilities like temporal barrior no longer halves speed, but is only 3 focus to cast, which makes it usefule, not broken, and still leaves you a few focus to play with. I'm a little sad to see Full throttle lose the boosted attack rolls, but it was a little OTT for a three focus spell.

A few basic rules fun: LOS is magic cylinder lite, Fast Cav only move 5" on their after action move, You can spend a focus to stand up or remove stationary status! woohoo! If a jacks arm system is "disabled" you only roll one dice for attack rolls and cant make chain or power attacks with that arm. Much better IMO.

My quick read through it looks like things will be quite fun, the points are a little more in line with their effectiveness and a lot of the interupts have been taken out or redefined. Bane knights now do their new equivilent of shadow shift once during their own maintanence phase, but all remaining knights get to move. Still helpful, but not as devestating as it used to be.

Meph

What are the changes to Jacks? I've attempted to download but forgotten my password....and it has yet to send anything to my email account. Part of the reason I quit playing Machine was that the main draw to the game for me (jacks) got their rear whipped by my least favorite thing of the game (hordes of infantry).

Already noticed a mistake: Merc Cards, page 17.

Top Right: Master Holt and the Ugly Ampersand, Subhead Privateer Character

Has Aiyana's Stats, several weapons without Stats, 2 Unit sizes without costs and the Rules card for Croe's Cutthroats underneath. There is no listing for Croe's Cutthroats anywhere else.

Is the site overloaded or something? I registered a few hours ago and have yet to get my confirmation e-mail.

warpcrafter wrote:Is the site overloaded or something? I registered a few hours ago and have yet to get my confirmation e-mail.

Did you check your Spam/Junk mail filters and folders? I got mine right away.

Scottywan82 wrote:
Also, just noticed a LOT of the Cygnar units got Jack Marhsall.

This does not surprise me as Cygnar = PP hard on. They can not get enough of that faction, the fluff for and rules make them a crazy army to play. I love the jack designs, but some of the characters just make me barf! I feel like all the other factions have some sort of 'thing' that's cool or weird about them, but cygnar just has a real "we're good at everything with out any drawbacks' vibe.

In saying that, I do not hate PP for this, in fact they've done a great job playing off of it, as they have Magnus and his force which pretty much is just an anti cygnar army. And I feel like all the other armies get just as much love (I'm a khador player hence the 'squash the southlander' attitude ).

My friends and I are a bit skeptical about what these new rules will entail, but I'd love to try them out, and help PP get some really tight rules.

BTW I know it's supposed to be determined by the 'players' scoring up to see who will get the first army book, but I've got $5 on cygnar no matter what the result.

Platuan4th wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:Is the site overloaded or something? I registered a few hours ago and have yet to get my confirmation e-mail.

Did you check your Spam/Junk mail filters and folders? I got mine right away.

I just checked it. Still nothing.

AgeOfEgos wrote:What are the changes to Jacks? I've attempted to download but forgotten my password....and it has yet to send anything to my email account. Part of the reason I quit playing Machine was that the main draw to the game for me (jacks) got their rear whipped by my least favorite thing of the game (hordes of infantry).

jacks got a bit better.
they got a general boost to mat and rat and you now have to destroy all of the damage boxes to kill a jack.

@warpcrafter - got my email right away too...

usernamesareannoying wrote:jacks got a bit better.
they got a general boost to mat and rat and you now have to destroy all of the damage boxes to kill a jack.

Other bonuses for jacks:
Disabled weapon systems no longer prevent you from using that weapon, rather you lose a die like Warbeasts.
Shake Effects: Warjacks and Warcasters can spend a focus to stand up or remove stationary during the Control Phase.
And don't forget the free Warjack points that come with your free Warcasters. In general, you can take a Warcaster and 1-2 non-unique Warjacks before you even start spending points from your standard allotment.

You can still move if your movement is disabled. That's nice.

blue loki wrote:And don't forget the free Warjack points that come with your free Warcasters. In general, you can take a Warcaster and 1-2 non-unique Warjacks before you even start spending points from your standard allotment.

[scooby]whaaa? i musta missed that one raggy...[/scooby]

usernamesareannoying wrote:[scooby]whaaa? i musta missed that one raggy...[/scooby]

Yep, each Warcaster has a Warjack points box next to their Force Allowance box that gives them bonus points able to be used only on warjacks for their battlegroup.

that's cool but ill be damned if it wasn't hard to figure that out. the only thing that really spelled it out was that sample cygnar army list.

i'm liking what i see so far.
And i've gotten a few good laughs at the pp forums over all the people crying over darius getting nerf batted something fierce apparenlty.

edit-oh, and my email arrived after only a few minutes

Well i'm having a quick look through the cards
Cryx:
Flying no longer ignores free strikes.
Terminus can no longer throw or heal, but ravager now gives thresher, and Daemonic is gone.
Mageblight only works on the living.
Seethers and Death Jack no longer have to check to go crazy. Necrovent is gone.

Khador:
Epic butcher lost rage drivers.
Behemoth now has 2 cortexes.

My favs:

Love the "Shake it off" rule, that will be HUGE.

As a long time owner of the trencher chain gun team that never gets used...

All hail mark II: Chain gunners get overwatch...ftw!!!

I've tried to compile most of the changes in an article. It's open to editing for Dakka users. I hope
the rules I've established on the top aren't offputting, I just want a little consistency.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Warmachine_Mark_II_Field_Test_Changes

So I've heard some pretty good things about this game... and I was tempted to get into it at some point. Would it be wise to wait until this edition of the rules is officially released to take a gander at it?

I'd (if possible) like to get someones personal experience on how they would compare this to 40k. Rules, models, etc...