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i wanna see space freinkenstein next, we already got space werewolves and vampires...

Blood Angels have that covered too. Just field an armored company and tons of dreds, call them Iron Hands (or Space Frankensteins), and there you go.

Mummies or zombies would be next.

Nurgle has that covered

I can't wait for the next Chaos codex. With the Thunderwolves and now angel wings everywhere, GW is showing a trend towards the more fantastical. Hell, even with the gritty and down to earth Imperial Guard they showed this inclination by allowing Stormeagles and Deathstrikes in "normal" games.

If Blood Angels can have re-incarnations of their primarch and a guy who flosses with hive tyrants running around, how over the top Chaosy will Chaos have to be? They'll probably just have to re-print the 2nd edition rulebook and leave it at that.

That's a big part of the reason (no Stormraven model being the other) why I'm not picking up Blood Angels right away. If they are so crazy (note, I didn't say overpowered), Chaos will blow the doors off the hinges. Plus, with rumors of an entirely Jes Goodwin-designed Dark Eldar and something Inquisitorial in the works, I gotta keep my funds close at hand. Plus, with the bandwagon phenomenon of most 40k players, by the time the next book comes out, all the new Blood Angels "players" will be trading off their unassembled acquisitions on Bartertown to fund the new shiny. Which they will also never assemble, and just trade off/sell when the next book comes along.

i REALLY hope they make a few xenos codexes before any other imperial one.

I really hope they make a few more shooty armies before another hurr durr chop chop one. And shooty armies that rely on more finesse then herp derp parking lot

i think with BA the marines are pretty good for now


flying LR's YAY!!!!

i kid i kid. tho having saguniary guard as troops might be nasty.....


I think the next codex needs to be DE, but not getting my hopes up, then Necrons, Tau, Chaos(or chaos legions) and then maybe a combines ordo mallues/heriticus/xenos book?

I think the next codex needs to be
necrons
tau
eldar
chaos
in that order
let dark eldar go the way of the squats

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I really hope they make a few more shooty armies before another hurr durr chop chop one. And shooty armies that rely on more finesse then herp derp parking lot

Shooty army that requires finesse? Like what, for example? The closest thing that is feasible under the stripped down 5th edition rules is something like the Tau (marker lights, moving after shooting in the assault phase, etc), since GW seems deathly afraid of BS modifiers.

So really, if you want an army that's not "herp derp parking lot", the only other option is "hurr durr we stand and roll dice". BA are quite capable of putting up a decent shooting performance. Death Company are as good at gunning stuff down as they are at chopping it (though not sure if they get special weapons), they get Vanguard, tons of Predators, etc. Since succumbing to the Red Thirst or Black Rage or whatever they call it doesn't seem to have any drawbacks (you just replace ATSKNF with Fearless and Furious Charge? Oh noes!), they are as shooty as Space Marines, if not more so. They just happen to WTFpwn in melee, as well.

But yes, I hope we get some Xenos soon. Dark Eldar seem like a no-brainer choice, and their fancy technology and mobility could allow for Tau-esque shooting shenanigans, but I think they are cursed to never be re-released (plus, apparently at some event GW stated they are delayed till at least 2011?). Necrons are apparently nowhere near done, and Tau haven't even begun to be re-designed.

So what does that leave us other than Imperial factions? I'm guessing the next codex will be Ecclessiarchy, Black Templar, Grey Knights, or some Heroes of the Imperium book that holds Inquisitors and Assassins and the like.

Eldar before chaos? really? eldar HAVE a 5th edition codex, not to mention the codex isnt bad at all!

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I really hope they make a few more shooty armies before another hurr durr chop chop one. And shooty armies that rely on more finesse then herp derp parking lot

At least make a 'special' marine chapter that isn't based around shankin' fools.

Seriously, there are like five variants of marines and 4 of them are primarily assault armies.... what gives? SO UNIQUE ...your colour anyway.

Blue Marines - Theme of balanced tactics, leaning towards close-range firefights with heavy support. Codex follows this theme.

Black Marines - Theme of assault with hordes of the pious!!! Codex follows this theme.

Green Marines - Theme of close-ranged firefights with heavy support, or highly mobile shooty army. Codex follows this theme, but is woefully outdated/underpowered.

Grey Marines - Theme of assault with ultra-elite Viking badasses. Codex supports this, but actually works best if built for close-ranged firefights with heavy support.

Red Marines - Theme of very fast assault. Codex supports this, but also has option for shooty and speedy armored company.

So it's pretty balanced, really, if the Dark Angels were actually given a decent codex. Three leaning towards assault, and two leaning towards firepower, with only one variant is pretty much exclusively limited to "shanking fools". Then there's the occasional variants such as all-terminators, all-skimmers/bikes/jetpacks, or all-armor.

You can't really find fault with the "getting in your face and shooting you up with bolters while heavier guns blast you from afar" similarities between the chapters, since that's basically what Space Marines do. You could raise the issue of whether so many variations on the same playstyle are really necessary, but that's a dead horse if I've ever seen one.

terminus wrote:Blue Marines - Theme of balanced tactics, leaning towards close-range firefights with heavy support. Codex follows this theme.

Black Marines - Theme of assault with hordes of the pious!!! Codex follows this theme.

Green Marines - Theme of close-ranged firefights with heavy support, or highly mobile shooty army. Codex follows this theme, but is woefully outdated/underpowered.

Grey Marines - Theme of assault with ultra-elite Viking badasses. Codex supports this, but actually works best if built for close-ranged firefights with heavy support.

Red Marines - Theme of very fast assault. Codex supports this, but also has option for shooty and speedy armored company.

So it's pretty balanced, really, if the Dark Angels were actually given a decent codex. Three leaning towards assault, and two leaning towards firepower, with only one variant is pretty much exclusively limited to "shanking fools". Then there's the occasional variants such as all-terminators, all-skimmers/bikes/jetpacks, or all-armor.

You can't really find fault with the "getting in your face and shooting you up with bolters while heavier guns blast you from afar" similarities between the chapters, since that's basically what Space Marines do. You could raise the issue of whether so many variations on the same playstyle are really necessary, but that's a dead horse if I've ever seen one.

Which is essentially what I am getting at.

terminus wrote:Blue Marines - Theme of balanced tactics, leaning towards close-range firefights with heavy support. Codex follows this theme.

Black Marines - Theme of assault with hordes of the pious!!! Codex follows this theme.

Green Marines - Theme of close-ranged firefights with heavy support, or highly mobile shooty army. Codex follows this theme, but is woefully outdated/underpowered.

Grey Marines - Theme of assault with ultra-elite Viking badasses. Codex supports this, but actually works best if built for close-ranged firefights with heavy support.

Red Marines - Theme of very fast assault. Codex supports this, but also has option for shooty and speedy armored company.

So it's pretty balanced, really, if the Dark Angels were actually given a decent codex. Three leaning towards assault, and two leaning towards firepower, with only one variant is pretty much exclusively limited to "shanking fools". Then there's the occasional variants such as all-terminators, all-skimmers/bikes/jetpacks, or all-armor.

You can't really find fault with the "getting in your face and shooting you up with bolters while heavier guns blast you from afar" similarities between the chapters, since that's basically what Space Marines do. You could raise the issue of whether so many variations on the same playstyle are really necessary, but that's a dead horse if I've ever seen one.

There are way to many dead horses tho IMHO

Indeed. Sadly, the plethora of deceased equines is in its own right a dead horse.

We need more variation; i call for a bad of any more army specific codexes; SM codex should be much larger and incorperate the rules for all subarmies, as with eldar craftworlds, chaos legions, IG armies, ect.


but of gourse GW wants to cram so much fluff into these godforsakken rulebooks

We need more variation; i call for a bad of any more army specific codexes; SM codex should be much larger and incorperate the rules for all subarmies, as with eldar craftworlds, chaos legions, IG armies, ect.


but of gourse GW wants to cram so much fluff into these godforsakken rulebooks

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. There's nothing wrong with cramming fluff into rulebooks, in fact, the fluff is the primary drawing force for many of us who aren't powergamers or twelve year olds who like shiny men in armor. I also don't find anything wrong with army-specific codices, they actually provide more variation within a certain race. The problem, as many have stated (see mouldering corpse of horse above), is that there are just too many Space Marine army books. There's just an imbalance of attention given by GW between Space Marines and their many incarnations and xenos/Chaos forces. If GW put an equal amount of effort into every race, I'm willing to bet not nearly as many people would be so upset about the large number of Space marine codices.

However, this will never happen. Those twelve year olds seem to be the primary market Games Workshop tries to suck in. Makes sense, though. With the amount of models twelve year olds have been known to break, their moms and dads must have to buy a lot of replacements. Shrewd marketing.

Fluff? Lol, the BA book barely has any fluff at all. There is some basic organizational info copypasted from old material and a few pages of typical Matt Ward fapfiction. It's like 20 pages all together counting illustrations.

But yes, while a huge book detailing all the chapters would be cool, it wouldn't mesh with their model-driven release style. It would take way too much time and money to release all the fancy new marine kits together, and would negatively impact sales.

Model driven? Where the hell is my Storm Raven?!?!

You're preaching to the choir, brother. That's the only reason I'm not dumping my annual gaming fund on Angels right now.

Shelegelah wrote:

We need more variation; i call for a bad of any more army specific codexes; SM codex should be much larger and incorperate the rules for all subarmies, as with eldar craftworlds, chaos legions, IG armies, ect.


but of gourse GW wants to cram so much fluff into these godforsakken rulebooks

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. There's nothing wrong with cramming fluff into rulebooks, in fact, the fluff is the primary drawing force for many of us who aren't powergamers or twelve year olds who like shiny men in armor. I also don't find anything wrong with army-specific codices, they actually provide more variation within a certain race. The problem, as many have stated (see mouldering corpse of horse above), is that there are just too many Space Marine army books. There's just an imbalance of attention given by GW between Space Marines and their many incarnations and xenos/Chaos forces. If GW put an equal amount of effort into every race, I'm willing to bet not nearly as many people would be so upset about the large number of Space marine codices.

However, this will never happen. Those twelve year olds seem to be the primary market Games Workshop tries to suck in. Makes sense, though. With the amount of models twelve year olds have been known to break, their moms and dads must have to buy a lot of replacements. Shrewd marketing.

ugh... you make a valid point.. and i am a bit of a fluff fiend but idk...


GW, where is your integrity?


and as mentioned earlier, if your going to make the BA codex withour a lander model at least show a sketch of one!

They probably have no idea how to make a VTOL aircraft so ridiculously overloaded (twin linked assault cannon, twin linked typhoon launchers, 2 hurricane bolter sponsons, 4 high-yield AT missiles, capacity for 12 space marines, AND an underslung dreadnought) look remotely realistic or capable of flight, so they hope someone will make a cool conversion they can rip off.

Making Matt Ward's twisted fever dreams into reality (even miniature plastic reality) is easier said than done. Hell, it's hard to even say.

it is a bit overloaded. Why wouldn't they think ahead


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All the BA models seem so busy to me, like that lander's gear, the saguiniary guard with guns on thier wrists, jump packs, and a two handed power weapon? too much!

Well, even if the Sanguinary Guard do have a bit of an overabundance of goodies, you can't deny that the models turned out very nicely.

As for the lander-thingy and it's bristling display of weaponry and massive transport hold... It'd have to look like a flying pregnant porcupine to represent half of what it's got.

FLYING PREGNANT GARGANTUAN CREATURE DATASHEET!!!

If they are so crazy (note, I didn't say overpowered), Chaos will blow the doors off the hinges

This is most likely true. In addition to 300+ point named characters I expect the CSM codex to have stats and points costs for Daemon engines and other devices that GW won't release models for but allows people many more unit options if they're willing to convert a little. This has been true for IG (many tanks with no models), SW (no TWC which are an intergral part of the army) Tyranids (bunch of core creatures with no models) and now BA (no Storm Raven).

I also expect the Eldar Avatar to go from his measly stats and points cost to being a 300+ point super beast, and as I've said elsewhere I wouldn't be surprised if the Eldar release had brand new grav tank types and even new aspect warriors we've never heard of before, while Phoenix lords will have godly stats and gear and points cost.

Necrons will likely get some ridiculous stats, for example the much rumoured T5 and FNP on the weakest available troops, the Warriors. I think Tau will get a fairly large revamp too, with atleast two or three completely new units and tons of named characters included.

All in all good times to be playing 40K, IMO of course.

I'm thinking that eventually, GW *may* smarten up and tone some of this stuff down.

You know, the whole pendulum thing.

Maybe in time for 6th edition...

Therion wrote:

Necrons will likely get some ridiculous stats, for example the much rumoured T5 and FNP on the weakest available troops, the Warriors.

Nah, that would give them too high cost, and as such sell fewer models. FNP, sure, but I don't see T5 happening.

I think you are right about the hordes of new units we will see however, and IMO, that is a great thing

IronfrontAlex wrote:Eldar before chaos? really? eldar HAVE a 5th edition codex, not to mention the codex isnt bad at all!

Eldar are like 8 months older then chaos i do believe. And the codexs are about the same as far as power levels go.

5th edition book though? no. They came out over 2 years before the 5th edition rulebook.

I also expect the Eldar Avatar to go from his measly stats and points cost to being a 300+ point super beast

And still be bitchslapped by Pimpin' Papa SMurf Calgar.