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Enigma wrote:Am I the only one who acctually still like the look of the DE Warriors?
Sure, they aren't fantastic, but they are easy to convert, has nice weapon options on their sprues

I stopped reading there. No way. The sprue only has a Splinter Cannon. No Dark Lances, no Blasters, no Shredders. I'm not a hater, the warriors are not a problem for me. As you say they are very customizable and look great with a good paintjob. But the options in the sprue are sooo poor...

If the new warriors box (I guess it will be a 10 minis kit) doesn't include all the options, my nerdrage will be legendary.

We get a box of 16 and have Splinter cannons, hand weapons and pistols. Not to mention the standard rifle. That's quite a lot of options. Sure, we don't have blasters, shredders or lances, but we still have a lot ^^

And as others have said before. This was a good set when they were released. Whatdid the Craftworlders get at that time? two-piece plastic/metal guardians? No extra weapons at all? then when they get redone the still only get standard shuriken catapults...

No, I like the look of the warriors, and I stil lthink there's a lot of options. But yes. Some more weapons wouldnt hurt and i do agree thatthe entire bondage-thing was a mistake. i don't use the metal archons and the reavers look horrible with those hemets and leather clothes...

I built my army on warriors and raiders and go for a shooty pirate force so I don't have to use those units

Enigma wrote:We get a box of 16 and have Splinter cannons, hand weapons and pistols. Not to mention the standard rifle. That's quite a lot of options. Sure, we don't have blasters, shredders or lances, but we still have a lot ^^

Um, yeah, but hand weapons and pistols are not something that DE Warriors can be equipped with as per the codex, so their existence on the sprue is kind of meaningless. The only way to have a DE Warrior equipped with Pistol & CCW is to upgrade one to a Sybarite and purchase that equipment. Considering the fact that you can only have one such per unit, it's silly the sheer amount of pistols and combat blades that abound on the sprue. I would gladly have exchanged every one of them for a single Dark Lance.

In a 16 warriors box we get 4 splinter cannons (too many) and 4 splinter pistols and ccw kits (too many again). It's a bad distribution. I wouldn't complaint about warriors if they included more options.

Enigma wrote:And as others have said before. This was a good set when they were released. Whatdid the Craftworlders get at that time? two-piece plastic/metal guardians? No extra weapons at all? then when they get redone the still only get standard shuriken catapults...

Do Craftworld Eldar have special weapon options? They have the platforms. And platforms have always been available for them. DE had some blisters, 2 warriors with DL, 2 warriors with special weapons, sybarites... In addition to the plastic box, it was great. Until GW decided to discontinue the blisters. Then it turned out that we had one viable option to build a unit, and we didn't have the minis. DL and blasters are the base of a DE army. DL are mail order only. Blasters are MIA. The only option we have is converting minis.

That deal is not that good as it used to be after all.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about the amount of options, and not about if visually the minis are cool or ugly. I said, I like the warriors.

Saldiven wrote:

Enigma wrote:We get a box of 16 and have Splinter cannons, hand weapons and pistols. Not to mention the standard rifle. That's quite a lot of options. Sure, we don't have blasters, shredders or lances, but we still have a lot ^^

Um, yeah, but hand weapons and pistols are not something that DE Warriors can be equipped with as per the codex, so their existence on the sprue is kind of meaningless. The only way to have a DE Warrior equipped with Pistol & CCW is to upgrade one to a Sybarite and purchase that equipment. Considering the fact that you can only have one such per unit, it's silly the sheer amount of pistols and combat blades that abound on the sprue. I would gladly have exchanged every one of them for a single Dark Lance.

Lots of weapons to make mandrakes or other characters. I don't mind at all, but as I said, yes, some more blasters or DL would be nicer

Erasoketa wrote:Do Craftworld Eldar have special weapon options? They have the platforms. And platforms have always been available for them. DE had some blisters, 2 warriors with DL, 2 warriors with special weapons, sybarites... In addition to the plastic box, it was great. Until GW decided to discontinue the blisters. Then it turned out that we had one viable option to build a unit, and we didn't have the minis. DL and blasters are the base of a DE army. DL are mail order only. Blasters are MIA. The only option we have is converting minis.

Sure, Flamers and Fusion guns, as well as hand weapons and pistols. That's storm guardians though . And the platform werent included in the box at that time either :(

Going a bit of topic there. I'm just saying that I liked the options they had at the time of their release, and I still like the look of the models. I think that we all agree though that they need a lot more weapon options when they get their rerelease

Tailgunner wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Actually, Jes' Land Raider is not a huge plus in my book. Ground clearance is abyssmal, needing almost another 1/4" to look right.

To dismiss the Land Raider just because of its unrealistic ground clearance is pointless. What matters is whether a model looks 'right' in the context of the game universe.

The problem with most of the Dark Eldar models is that they were poorly animated and aspects of the designs were just plain ugly. The plastic Warriors went together quite well, and looked acceptable with all the spikes removed, but they were pretty uninspired. I know - I built 5 squads of them, and I'd run out of different poses after I'd built 10.

My interpretation of the 40k game universe requires vehicles to have a certain amount of ground clearance. The Land Raider is the only ground vehicle which completely fails here. Rhino? check. Chimera? check. Leman Russ? check. Baneblade? No problem. Land Raider? Fail.

You're talking to a guy with metal Guard, metal Eldar, and metal Sisters. I accept some limit in posability.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think it's very disappointing the rhino design is so unrealistic, especially when you compare the Falcon to existing grav-tanks or the stompa to the great walkers deployed at the Normandy Landings.

Gah! It really pisses me off when people spout military "history" without the facts.

The Stompas were NEVER utilized during the Normandy Landings, but rather in the breakout Operation Cobra that followed Operation Overlord.

Read a book sometime, gawd!!

And that's exactly what I did with an extra 10 men of DE Warriors...made them into Mandrakes. I used the un-helmeted heads and all the CCW/pistols. I do have blisters of the actual metal mandrakes but I've never had a desire to paint them.

Enigma wrote:We get a box of 16 and have Splinter cannons, hand weapons and pistols.

And as others have said before. This was a good set when they were released. Whatdid the Craftworlders get at that time? two-piece plastic/metal guardians? No extra weapons at all? then when they get redone the still only get standard shuriken catapults...

At the time DE came out, getting FREE Heavy weapons on the sprue was a huge bonus. Aside from the SM Flamer & ML, everything else was metal and cost extra.

Craftworlders were monopose Guardians with Lasgun, later repacked with metal Shuricat bit. No extra champion / special / heavy weapons. AGPs were expensive metal blisters.

Redone was an 8-part Guardian with shuricats only. Disappointing, really, and I ended not getting any because they didn't match.

JohnHwangDD wrote:My interpretation of the 40k game universe requires vehicles to have a certain amount of ground clearance. The Land Raider is the only ground vehicle which completely fails here. Rhino? check. Chimera? check. Leman Russ? check. Baneblade? No problem. Land Raider? Fail.

But don't land raiders only appear on flat, nicely mowed battlefields? You don't need ground clearance for paint and/or flock

OT, something here is making me crave two bowls full of jello with a peanut on each...

Ok, I've been resisting, it, but I can't help it anymore...

JHDD, your avatar is just ridiculous. It looks like something you'd see on the International Sexy Ladies Show on G4.

Both. He should be required to find an animated .gif, and post it as every other reply.

OK, time for a new poll. Should JHDD be required to make every other post or just find an animated GIF of his current avatar?

vitki wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:My interpretation of the 40k game universe requires vehicles to have a certain amount of ground clearance. The Land Raider is the only ground vehicle which completely fails here.

But don't land raiders only appear on flat, nicely mowed battlefields? You don't need ground clearance for paint and/or flock

OT, something here is making me crave two bowls full of jello with a peanut on each...

Not every battlefield is a lawn...

No idea what you're talking about.

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Saldiven wrote:Ok, I've been resisting, it, but I can't help it anymore...

JHDD, your avatar is just ridiculous. It looks like something you'd see on the International Sexy Ladies Show on G4.

You're free to avert thine eyes.

The Dark Eldar Warriors started ageing in dog years once the multi-part Guardians were released. The Guardians are much nicer models, even if they don't have any options on the sprue.

http://bloodofkittens.com/?p=3481

Three new skimmers

Vyper/Razorback hybrid transport with many weapon options.
“Fighter” designed to take out other skimmers.
“Bomber” designed for well bombing…
Mandrakes are in and have scout (duh)

Melta & Lance weapon confirmed str 6 12″ range.

Talos is in, specialized in killing Walkers.

Combat drugs are in and are “streamlined”

Army wide ability which is a cross between Red Thirst and Epidemius tally power (revolves around casualties inflicted)

No vehicle will have an AV higher than 11 (keeping with past editions)

Dark Eldar are a designed as an Alpha Strike army. If you can survive the first turn you will have a good shot of beating them.

Expect a Sept-Nov release. So put away your Nemesis Force Weapons they are not coming till Jan 2011 at the earliest.

This is the first time I can ever recall there being such back and forth debate over the next 40K release. While all that is going on, GW drops the bomb and states another wave of Demon releases are coming later this year.

Jeez, there was a time leaked copies of rulebooks and codexes were cropping up 6 months prior to release.

bhsman wrote:http://bloodofkittens.com/?p=3481

Three new skimmers

Vyper/Razorback hybrid transport with many weapon options.
“Fighter” designed to take out other skimmers.
“Bomber” designed for well bombing…
Mandrakes are in and have scout (duh)

Melta & Lance weapon confirmed str 6 12″ range.

Talos is in, specialized in killing Walkers.

Combat drugs are in and are “streamlined”

Army wide ability which is a cross between Red Thirst and Epidemius tally power (revolves around casualties inflicted)

No vehicle will have an AV higher than 11 (keeping with past editions)

Dark Eldar are a designed as an Alpha Strike army. If you can survive the first turn you will have a good shot of beating them.

Expect a Sept-Nov release. So put away your Nemesis Force Weapons they are not coming till Jan 2011 at the earliest.

I am sorry but how reliable is your information? I just don't want to be lead on like what happend in march.

Only time can tell.

Fighter/bomber might look like the one/two hull flyer from FW. Would be cool.

Sarigar wrote:Jeez, there was a time leaked copies of rulebooks and codexes were cropping up 6 months prior to release.

Those were certainly much happier times. Leaked pictures generated a lot of excitement and anticipation. But now there's nothing to get excited about. All rumor discussion has degraded to petty squabbling over what SHOULD be the next release.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
You're free to avert thine eyes.

I totally meant "ridiculous" in a good way. The best possible way. I mean, who doesn't love the International Sexy Ladies Show?

I am very interested in seeing some new figures for the DE. My brother recently got a DE Archon and a retinue. I liked the incubi models but I didn't really like the Archon. I at least hope they make most of the DE models plastic.

Two full squads of Incubi....I'd love to see them updated in plastic. And if some of the rumors putting them in an Elite's spot is true, I'll glady pick up a box of new ones. 4 squads of Incubi would be so nice... But damned pricey if the points remain the same.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
You're free to avert thine eyes.

Avert mine eyes? That avatar has actually made me want to see you post more.

Cannot say I am dissapointed with this one, DE have deserved this update for awhile and I'm happy to see these guys (as much as I hate them) get a new view.

Would love to see a new archon... But warriors and Raiders?
I Like my Jabba-the-hutt-cars! (Yes, that's what we call them over here )

...Still going to get a bunch of course!


Acctually... I like the old Archon! I mean, it's just so bloody ugly that it encourages players to convert their own And I like unique armies!

Wehrkind wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
You're free to avert thine eyes.

Avert mine eyes? That avatar has actually made me want to see you post more.

Conclusion: a good avatar covers a multitude of minor sins.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
You're free to avert thine eyes.

Avert mine eyes? That avatar has actually made me want to see you post more.

Conclusion: a good avatar covers a multitude of minor sins.

There are a multitude of major sins I'd like to commit with the model from your avatar.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Conclusion: a good avatar covers a multitude of minor sins.

Quite true. So link it up where you acquired that pic. My computer desktop at work needs a new background.

Inquisitor_Malice wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Conclusion: a good avatar covers a multitude of minor sins.

Quite true. So link it up where you acquired that pic. My computer desktop at work needs a new background.

You'll have to search the intarwebz yourself!

(i.e., I can't remember the link)