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**Alpharius**

That would be fine by me!

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

aka_mythos wrote:I wouldn't say you're alone, but you're in a minority since the majority wouldn't like to see this hobby become any more unaffordable.

Aye, tis a fair comment, but we are talking about Forgeworld, that stuff is expensive regardless, and anyone who buys from them know that before the step a foot in the door. Heck, I brought three Lascannons and a sensor thingy for £15 the other week just to save me the hassle of doing a Vendetta conversion.

I just think for the minor increase on what you are spending anyways, another £5-8 a model would be well worth it if it made every member of your cult squad look as cool as Zhufor.

Also, I like the Imperial Henchman idea, would be interesting to see some Chaos equivilents, alhough I'd echo Alphs sentiments about more than a Pistol and CCW this time. Would allow me to use my Small scattering of Traitor Guard conversions I did for fun last year for Just Daves revisions.

(Although I'm guessing I won't get to use my Traitor Leman Russ.

)

**odorofdeath**

So... any actual rumors, about the new book?

**aka_mythos**

For those that are lazy... reposted once again:

Kroothawk wrote:Darnok over at Warseer posted this by an anonymous source:

Concerning Chaos:

- the book is done and almost at the printers
- an Iron Warriors character (?) has been seen, with a huge servo harness
- possible new Obliterators (plastic or Finecast?)
- painted versions of all 4 cult terminators have been sighted - could be conversions though
- plastic Plaguebearers on round bases have been sighted

Also Hastings confirmed Chaos to be in the 6th edition starter set, including a Plastic Dreadnought and traitors/cultists

Kroothawk wrote:
straightsilver wrote:I do understand that there are some things in 40K that don't need to be expanded ad infinitum as your example proves.

However there is a big difference between Chaos Space Marines (Renegades) and Chaos Legionnaires, and this used to be represented in the Codex before last.

GW in their great wisdom (or rather Jervis and Alessio) decided that that particular Codex was way too complicated and as part of their over simplification drive took a chain axe to it and stripped out what was essentially all the best bits.

The intention was to seperate Renegades and Legionnaires and hopefully release a Legions Codex at a later date, as they have said in interviews since.

They realised immediately that the Chaos Space Marines Codex was massively over simplified and set to work straight away to begin planning the Legions Codex.

Chaos Space Marine Renegades are small roving war bands of Chaos Marines who have either spilt from their original Legion (Fabius Bile, Kharn, Ahriman etc), or are Loyalist marines disillusioned with the Imperium who have turned traitor (Huron Blackheart).

Over time they have picked up some influence from Chaos, but are made up of disparate bands of warriors.

Admittedly the curve ball is having Black Legion and Abaddon in the CSM Codex and I am not sure what will happen there.

The Legions however are those who took part in the Heresy and have been fighting the long war ever since.

These are not simple roving war bands engaging in hit and run raid across the Imperium, but the remnants of full Legions.

As an example Iron Warriors have access to artillery (usually Basilisks), Daemon Engines and Dark Mechanicus.

Alpha Legion have bands of cultists or the ability to infiltrate into society.

World Eaters have blood crazed Marines riding Juggernauts into battle.

etc, etc.

All of this used to be represented in the CSM Codex but was removed. The idea is to try to get this flavour back in one way or another.

Chaos players felt very hard done by with the last CSM Codex, they had these differences and they were taken away, what they were left with were closer to Renegades than Legionnaries.

Alessio and Jervis have both sad that they would like the CSM Codex to stay as Renegades, and to release another Codex which would address the Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, World Eaters, Emperor's Children etc.

I may of course be completely wrong, the next Codex might just be a rehash of the current one and replace it, but that's not what I have heard.

**Vampirate of Sartosa**

All sounds good. The idea, I suppose, is that the Black Legion- which I used to regard as sort of Sue-ish due to its huge numbers- has the downside of having very few of its original members left.
Also, the whole idea of "these ARE your grandfather's Space Marines, and they're a lot tougher than yours" is why I'm making my Word Bearers with Forge World kits.

**odorofdeath**

I meant new rumors. I've read the OP several times. Thanks though. Lol

**Kairos**

Kroothawk wrote:Darnok over at Warseer posted this by an anonymous source:

Concerning Chaos:

- the book is done and almost at the printers
- an Iron Warriors character (?) has been seen, with a huge servo harness
- possible new Obliterators (plastic or Finecast?)
- painted versions of all 4 cult terminators have been sighted - could be conversions though
- plastic Plaguebearers on round bases have been sighted

Also Hastings confirmed Chaos to be in the 6th edition starter set, including a Plastic Dreadnought and traitors/cultists

"painted versions of all 4 cult terminators have been sighted - could be conversions though
- plastic Plaguebearers on round bases have been sighted"

I don't buy it. Someone can easily take a cell phone picture and post it.

There is no credibility to any of this.

**chaos0xomega**

Not saying I believe it, but depending on GW studio policy that might not be possible. I know I've been places before where all electronic devices were confiscated for the duration of my stay to prevent pics of forthcoming product from leaking out

**Kroothawk**

Hastings also confirmed plastic raptors. I haven't worked through all older rumours, as they are mostly by ghost21 and theDarkgeneral and I am sceptical on those rumours.

**odorofdeath**

I could see the plastic stuff, and an Iron Warriors character, but I'll be very surprised if the next book has rules for god-specific Termies. I'd love to see it, though.

**KingmanHighborn**

Am I the only one that wants Defiler's to get more then 'just' a battlecannon mounted to them? Cause personally I 'WANT' to use them as backline artillery, with the claws and assault potential being a discouragement to melta rushes. Something like Leman Russ turrent variants for example would be most pleasing.

**Starfarer**

Kroothawk wrote:Hastings also confirmed plastic raptors. I haven't worked through all older rumours, as they are mostly by ghost21 and theDarkgeneral and I am sceptical on those rumours.

I'm skeptical of Dark General as well... it just sounds a bit too wishlisty. Although, if Khorne berserkers on juggernauts are indeed in the book as he asserts, I'll be thrilled.

**Kairos**

Kroothawk wrote:Hastings also confirmed plastic raptors. I haven't worked through all older rumours, as they are mostly by ghost21 and theDarkgeneral and I am sceptical on those rumours.

I am skeptical on any rumors that are not backed by pictures.
It is too easy to make stuff up, and you don't know who you can trust.

Ghost21 made me loose more faith in humanity. 40K Rumors = Bogus without pictures

**H.B.M.C.**

Kairos wrote:Ghost21 made me loose more faith in humanity.

Then you take this far too seriously.

Kairos wrote:40K Rumors = Bogus without pictures

Not really. We've had pictureless rumours for years, and so many of them have turned out right. We knew most of what was in the GK Codex before we even got a blurred picture of the Dreadknight.

**Kairos**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kairos wrote:Ghost21 made me loose more faith in humanity.

Then you take this far too seriously.

Kairos wrote:40K Rumors = Bogus without pictures

Not really. We've had pictureless rumours for years, and so many of them have turned out right. We knew most of what was in the GK Codex before we even got a blurred picture of the Dreadknight.

Pictureless rumors are a waste of time. I call bs on it all without hard evidence.

Call me jaded, but I really will stop trying to work around the swear filter ! like Ghost21 ruined it for everyone. The semi-literate twerp needs to have his fingers broken for typing that garbage and stirring up the Chaos community.

**bhsman**

I like how we're continuing to dogpile Ghost21 and nobody has mentioned Kroothawk quoting Stickmonkey, as though he has any sort of credibility.

**H.B.M.C.**

Because dumping on stickmonkey is your job bhsman.

Kairos wrote:Pictureless rumors are a waste of time. I call bs on it all without hard evidence.

'Show don't tell' has its merits, but please be realistic about this. Words appear before pictures. That is the order of things.

**rockerbikie**

What will happen to Huron Blackheart?

**Leggy**

bhsman wrote:I like how we're continuing to dogpile Ghost21 and nobody has mentioned Kroothawk quoting Stickmonkey, as though he has any sort of credibility.

From what I can see from the forums and credible rumourmongers attitudes towards him, Stickmonkey does have an "in" with the studio. Especially in regards to the model side of things. He's just really, really bad at putting 2+2 together.

**bhsman**

So he sees stuff really early, but it all changes by the time of release, right?

**aka_mythos**

Kroothawk wrote:Hastings also confirmed plastic raptors.

This only makes sense... GW's seems to be slowly working through the "I'm flying models" and give them plastic version. Even if they aren't the "greatest ever" the fact that Raptors are getting new models means that GW will try to keep their rules from being bland.

**ZebioLizard2**

Kairos wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Kairos wrote:Ghost21 made me loose more faith in humanity.

Then you take this far too seriously.

Kairos wrote:40K Rumors = Bogus without pictures

Not really. We've had pictureless rumours for years, and so many of them have turned out right. We knew most of what was in the GK Codex before we even got a blurred picture of the Dreadknight.

Pictureless rumors are a waste of time. I call bs on it all without hard evidence.

Call me jaded, but I really will stop trying to work around the swear filter ! like Ghost21 ruined it for everyone. The semi-literate twerp needs to have his fingers broken for typing that garbage and stirring up the Chaos community.

Seriously, calm yourself, it's RUMORS, not life or death! Hell I enjoyed ghosts rumors, if only because it proves just how completely bad Games Workshops "Silence" Is a horrible marketing idea.

**kenshin620**

I'll agree with the others

If you act as though a fake rumor maker physically went to your house and punched you in the face or stole your wallet or something, you need to calm down

Wargaming Rumors are at best grains of truth or are true, and at worst just a wild speculation

**odorofdeath**

If your that desperate for new Chaos stuff, then just use JustDave's Chaos fandex. It'll probably end up being better than the new codex anyway.

**Kairos**

odorofdeath wrote:If your that desperate for new Chaos stuff, then just use JustDave's Chaos fandex. It'll probably end up being better than the new codex anyway.

No man. I have read Just Dave's book several times. It is better than the current book, but the best build still centers around dual lash + obliterators. You can do other things
in it like take Chosen and Possessed as troops, and he made several units usefull again. However, it is not enough or fresh enough. Chaos needs to have things completely
redone, and needs to be able to take devastating assault armies that can hang with Grey Knights.

I am so sick of the current book, I have honestly contemplated setting it on fire on more than 1 occassion.

**Samus_aran115**

odorofdeath wrote:If your that desperate for new Chaos stuff, then just use JustDave's Chaos fandex. It'll probably end up being better than the new codex anyway.

I like Dave's codex more than the current one, but it still suffers from the same problems that the CSM book does. IMO, it's more creative, but it's more... Meaty too. Too much glitter all over everything. Agree with the above comment.

**timetowaste85**

Kairos wrote:
odorofdeath wrote:If your that desperate for new Chaos stuff, then just use JustDave's Chaos fandex. It'll probably end up being better than the new codex anyway.

No man. I have read Just Dave's book several times. It is better than the current book, but the best build still centers around dual lash + obliterators. You can do other things
in it like take Chosen and Possessed as troops, and he made several units usefull again. However, it is not enough or fresh enough. Chaos needs to have things completely
redone, and needs to be able to take devastating assault armies that can hang with Grey Knights.

I am so sick of the current book, I have honestly contemplated setting it on fire on more than 1 occassion.

I hear the next chaos book will have fairies and princesses in it. Is that enough of a redo for you?

But seriously, it is just a game. Ghost's rumors were false, but it's not THAT big a deal. It's obnoxious, but the anger you're displaying is a bit much.

**wowsmash**

I have a question? I've only been in the hobby since shortly before the Necron release. I'm building orks. My question is do we normally get leaks like the necrons were we will see pictures or was that an anomaly. I enjoyed that thread so much that I went and bought the codex just to read it.

**aka_mythos**

Haha... no. GW rarely shares with us.

**Kairos**

wowsmash wrote:I have a question? I've only been in the hobby since shortly before the Necron release. I'm building orks. My question is do we normally get leaks like the necrons were we will see pictures or was that an anomaly. I enjoyed that thread so much that I went and bought the codex just to read it.

Only if people manage to secretely obtain pictures. GW is really tight lipped about release schedules, which is completely anathema to solid marketing practices. They should be teasing gamers with new releases about 3 months in advance to drum up interest. Their marketing department is simply not doing their job. It is like their customers are in a black hole concerning new releases, until they suddenly show up in White Dwarf or via the official e-mail newsletter.

There are several theories about this, but one of them involves the new Hobbit movie. GW has a strict NDA with the movie studio, and they have evidently adopted that policy over their other ranges as well.